Tongues Again???

[notuptome]

You know exactly where the chapters are...like you said you have studied them but you apparently didn't let them sink in to your heart...Corinthians 13 and 14 are not written in any code. They are written so plain that a child could understand them, so I can't see how on earth people distort and twist them like they do...saying tongues have ceased...

It's really all up to you what you want to believe...but the Word of God is the Word of God and it ain't gonna change no matter how much someone wants to disagree with it...

Typical condescending attitude of the super spiritual crowd. You are all about the sugar coating but cannot tolerate the meat.

You cannot reconcile modern charismatic or Pentecostal tongues with the scriptures. You must dance around 1 Cor 13:8 and not address the whole council of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[stonesoffire]

You cannot reconcile modern charismatic or Pentecostal tongues with the scriptures.

Please prove your statement.

 

[notuptome]

the Holy Spirit isn't speaking through anyone.
He speaks of Christ, and the scriptures testify of Christ, and the scriptures are God-breathed.
we don't need anyone saying "thus saith the Lord" - no more prophets.
gangling gibberish is not Pentecost languages.

What a sad, pitiful way of thinking, and so far removed from what is taught in the scriptures.

My comment was very honest, and the point of her post was not changed my taking that one piece of it. I quoted the portion I wanted to focus on.

2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Are you going to say that God is still giving His word today? Are you saying that the bible is not complete? I'll post Rev 22 if you need a refresher.

Doubling down on a hateful post is not helping your cause. Even I'm disappointed and I have very low expectations of you these days. Sad situation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

Please prove your statement.

Pentecostals are not in agreement over tongues being human languages, ecstatic utterances the tongues of angels or unknowable languages. God is not the author of confusion yet it appears to reign supreme in the modern church.

Are the tongues of the modern church for a witness to lost Jews or entertainment of the crowd? Paul cites Isaiah as pretext for tongues relative to Israel but no such relationship is present for Gentiles. Babel is the first reference to differing languages and it was judgment from God to a wayward and disobedient mankind. How does that relate to edification as is the claim of the Pentecostal and charismatic church?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[stonesoffire]

Rev_3:20　 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Do you not hear His Voice?

My sheep hear...

good choice - notuptome

 

[stonesoffire]

Pentecostals are not in agreement over tongues being human languages, ecstatic utterances the tongues of angels or unknowable languages. God is not the author of confusion yet it appears to reign supreme in the modern church.


Its already explained by Paul..

~Are the tongues of the modern church for a witness to lost Jews or entertainment of the crowd? Paul cites Isaiah as pretext for tongues relative to Israel but no such relationship is present for Gentiles. Babel is the first reference to differing languages and it was judgment from God to a wayward and disobedient mankind. How does that relate to edification as is the claim of the Pentecostal and charismatic church?


Its already told that tongues and prophecy is declaring the wondrous works of God.

Tell me Roger, what gift has God endowed you with?

And why would you think that God cannot be trusted with something good?

You aren't questioning us. You are questioning Gods faithfulness.

Same to you zone. or susanna.

 

[BenFTW]

Pentecostals are not in agreement over tongues being human languages, ecstatic utterances the tongues of angels or unknowable languages. God is not the author of confusion yet it appears to reign supreme in the modern church.

Are the tongues of the modern church for a witness to lost Jews or entertainment of the crowd? Paul cites Isaiah as pretext for tongues relative to Israel but no such relationship is present for Gentiles. Babel is the first reference to differing languages and it was judgment from God to a wayward and disobedient mankind. How does that relate to edification as is the claim of the Pentecostal and charismatic church?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Far too many verses that show that tongues are not only for the Jews, or Israel. Too many verses that reveal they are for personal use and for ministry purposes. To suggest they are only for Israel or lost Jews is to ignore a good number of verses.

 

[notuptome]

Rev_3:20　 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Do you not hear His Voice?

My sheep hear...

good choice - notuptome

Every time I hear the word of God I hear Gods voice. Gods Holy Spirit opens it to me and guides me into His truth. It is not so with the natural man but these things are foolishness to him.

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[zone]

Jesus' words in Matthew do not allow for an exception for ignorance? 'Whosoever' includes the ignorant and the knowing. The people He was speaking to did not accept the fact that He was legitimate. They did not believe in him. Yet He still warned them.

apparently neither of you know what the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is.
remain blind

 

[zone]

Mark 16:19-20 (NKJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] And they went out and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them and confirming the word through the accompanying signs. Amen.

and we're to believe the tongue-talking today is the same as what they had. it's tragic.
pretty scary

 

[zone]

You aren't questioning us. You are questioning Gods faithfulness.

Same to you zone. or susanna.

not me. I'm not questioning anything about God.
I'm stating flat out that the jabbering going on today is heretical junk.

 

[Amazing-Grace]

Nothing divides us quite the way the subject of tongues does, I'm sure this was never Paul's intention,in fact Paul spoke of tongues as being the least of the gifts so why then do we place such importance on it? Why do we obsess about it? Do those of us with this gift feel somehow superior to others who don't?

 

[stonesoffire]

not me. I'm not questioning anything about God.
I'm stating flat out that the jabbering going on today is heretical junk.

If one would fake it, then I guess one could assume all are doing it.

 

[BenFTW]

Nothing divides us quite the way the subject of tongues does, I'm sure this was never Paul's intention,in fact Paul spoke of tongues as being the least of the gifts so why then do we place such importance on it? Why do we obsess about it? Do those of us with this gift feel somehow superior to others who don't?

I think its a hot topic because some believers are attempting to discredit the experiences of believers who operate in the gift of tongues. They call it demonic and heretical, and for that reason those that speak in tongues feel the need to justify themselves for their sake and for others.

It is not about feeling superior, its about fellow believers making tongue speakers feel inferior by stating that their conduct is demonic, heretical, and blasphemy against God. For this reason they come to its defense, both for themselves and the body of Christ. Those who endorse Cessationism are working against the Holy Spirit. I say that boldly because its the truth.

 

[stonesoffire]

Nothing divides us quite the way the subject of tongues does, I'm sure this was never Paul's intention,in fact Paul spoke of tongues as being the least of the gifts so why then do we place such importance on it? Why do we obsess about it? Do those of us with this gift feel somehow superior to others who don't?

Because Amazing Grace...its the least as a gift to the church but to the individual its the dynamite of Holy Spirit. It is the power that God wants to give His own.

Grace is not just unmerited favor but its the Holy Spirit Himself.

Why do you think Jesus is said to be Emmanuel? God longs to interact with His people. So how else can He do this but through His very own Spirit. Holy Spirit.

It could some day even be our protection. I just viewed a video where an Isis terrorist was filmed or tried to be filmed shooting another. This believer spoke in tongues...everytime the terrorist tried to pull the trigger, it only clicked, then he would shoot up in the sky. Three times he tried, then slunk away.

You guys are limiting God.

 

[Cee]

I speak in tongues. And find it incredibly offensive when people say I am not following the Spirit of God. It was these fear-based thoughts that lead me into extensively researching this topic and discovering most of these people don't have a clue what they're talking about. I have had encounters with God and I know they are true. But, because some people think supernatural has ceased on this Earth they attribute everything supernatural to the demonic. And they speak fear, worry, doubt, and confusion to all who will listen. Not realizing they are coming against the very foundations of faith in a real living God who still touches our lives today even through His Spirit. They tell people they need to read Scripture, which is true, but forget what Scripture teaches which is to be lead by the Spirit. They put God in a box that says He doesn't do the things He once did. And in order to validate these claims, they tear Scripture apart, ignoring the very interpretive rules they boast by.

 

[BenFTW]

not me. I'm not questioning anything about God.
I'm stating flat out that the jabbering going on today is heretical junk.

If Jesus entered your room now and saw what you were typing, do you think He would be proud of your conduct? Would you feel ashamed? Do you think speaking negatively of others conduct in such a way will ever set them free or is it just a spout for you to vent?

You are speaking to fellow believers. Brothers and sisters in Christ. I don't know how you were raised but in God's family there is to be love and unity. That is not what you're bringing. You, currently, are bringing division and strife.

Why don't you think twice before you speak and speak in such a way as to unify? Yes one can be blunt but don't be so blunt as to cut off the blood flow to the heart. Don't let your love grow cold. Consider that in their minds their experience is legitimate and while you may disagree with it, you have no right and should be apprehensive to call it demonic and demonize them before all.

If it is of God and you are calling it demonic... that is like Jesus appearing before the apostle Paul on the road to Damascus. He might just say, "Why are you persecuting Me?" If it is the Lord empowering believers to operate in these gifts and you oppose them, it is not them who you oppose but God.

 

[zone]

If Jesus entered your room now and saw what you were typing, do you think He would be proud of your conduct? Would you feel ashamed? Do you think speaking negatively of others conduct in such a way will ever set them free or is it just a spout for you to vent? ....

none of that.
I'm 100% against the nonsense like tongues.
it's a disgraceful display of nothingness in the name of My Lord.
so ya, I don't like it, and if you feel bad about that, oh well.

 

[BenFTW]

none of that.
I'm 100% against the nonsense like tongues.
it's a disgraceful display of nothingness in the name of My Lord.
so ya, I don't like it, and if you feel bad about that, oh well.

You may not like it, but you shouldn't have such a disregard for fellow believers. Have a little consideration.

 

[zone]

You may not like it, but you shouldn't have such a disregard for fellow believers. Have a little consideration.

I am considering them.
they need to stop the insane practices.