LIVE: Electoral College Voting December 19, 2016 (God be with Trump/Pence)

[PennEd]

I firmly believe that if there were a true audit of ALL the votes Trump would have won the pop vote as well.

Democrats cheat. I think those caught cheating should spend 5 years in prison. They continually steal a way of life my father fought for by trashing our Constitution by stealing elections. Look at this garbage:

Green Party candidate Jill Stein’s Michigan recount unintentionally exposed major voter fraud in Detroit.
Election officials in Michigan found that 37% of precincts in Detroit tabulated more ballots than the number of voters tallied by workers in the poll books.
Hillary Clinton won Wayne County over Donald Trump 67% to 30% and Hillary won Detroit city by 95% to Donald Trump’s 3%.
Now this…
Election officials this week found 782 more votes than voters in Detroit.
Freep.com reported:

 

[JesusLives]

I would rather be one of the deplorables than one of the despicables.

I'm neither.... I'm a Blond.....

 

[Willie-T]

I'm neither.... I'm a Blond.....

I hope Hillary considers me both.

 

[hornetguy]

I firmly believe that if there were a true audit of ALL the votes Trump would have won the pop vote as well.

Democrats cheat. I think those caught cheating should spend 5 years in prison. They continually steal a way of life my father fought for by trashing our Constitution by stealing elections. Look at this garbage:

Green Party candidate Jill Stein’s Michigan recount unintentionally exposed major voter fraud in Detroit.
Election officials in Michigan found that 37% of precincts in Detroit tabulated more ballots than the number of voters tallied by workers in the poll books.
Hillary Clinton won Wayne County over Donald Trump 67% to 30% and Hillary won Detroit city by 95% to Donald Trump’s 3%.
Now this…
Election officials this week found 782 more votes than voters in Detroit.
Freep.com reported:

Hmmmm.... I wonder why we haven't seen THOSE little tidbits leading the news stories? If they had found voter fraud in Trump's favor, would all the alphabet MSM outlets be reporting (screaming) about that?

 

[RickyZ]

1. When you made the above statement...
I was pointing out that someone new was showing all the the KNOWN and COMMON characteristics of an INTERNET TROLL.

2. You apparently had no way to counter my points, or make some logical defense so...
you tried to AVOID my logical points by attempting a circumvention.

I don't believe you're a troll, but this is a tactic often used by trolls... it allows you to just IGNORE every counter argument instead of actually debating. This is a tactic used by trolls, and since I don't believe you're a troll, I want to encourage you to step up your game.
: )

Sometimes a good circumvention is ok... but it really needs to be more substantial than a flippant bit of misdirection.


3. Regarding the verse you used about "some strangers being angels"... ummm... there is NO PLACE in life where we are to randomly apply scriptures, arbitrarily, and ignore all basic tenets of wisdom and prudence.

God talks much about using wisdom and prudence, at all times.

God even tells us to "prove all things."


4. Regarding the above verse, if we apply it arbitrarily, then every time a Nigerian con-man sends you an email wanting your bank account numbers... you'd have to assume he's an angel, and give him your bank account.

God obviously never intended us to apply this verse arbitrarily, with no wisdom.

I'll reiterate, God even tells us to "prove all things."

Assuming that every idiot we meet is an angel is not only UNWISE... it is actually CONTRARY to scripture... as we are to PROVE ALL THINGS.

5. Regarding the above verse, this "troll" that you think might be an angel.. ummmm... he stated right in his profile that he was "UNSURE IF HE WAS A CHRISTIAN."

I think angels, who actually hang out with GOD... are pretty certain about their religion.

I think that alone is enough to settle the "angel" issue.


6. If we actually STUDY the bible, we can see what angels REALLY do, and how they REALLY behave...
and they never show up DEBATING POLITICS, and discussing the FINER DETAILS OF POLITICAL REFERENDUM.

Angels are messengers of God.

They are never sent to earth to debate the finer points of political referendum... they come with messages about sin and redemption... not the constitution.

Caveat:
Before you pull some odd words of an angel from some obscure place in the Old Testament, and try to paint that as a "political discussion"... God often talks about judging the nations, and tearing some of them down... this is NEVER a political discussion; this is always about SIN, REDEMPTION, and JUDGEMENT... this is never about political referendum and the finer points of some country's laws.


7. It's a sad day when we can't point out a troll without someone saying "Leave him alone, he might be an angel."

Yes, he might be an angel.

And that's about as likely as ME being an angel... along with Trump, Hillary, Vladimir Putin, and Putin's dog.

Haha, of course I'm no angel. I don't think anyone suggested that I likely was. But I do think it is important to help strangers, be they gentile, Jew, or angel

Also, I understand why I looked trollish. I am new, making political posts on a religious forum, and voicing a minority opinion (aren't we not supposed to talk about politics and religion in polite convo? lol). I'm sure you get lots of trolls here, so I didn't really expect the presumption of innocence.

but back on topic:

Both candidates were campaigning in swing-states and stregically trying to win the election according to the laws in place (i.e. both were trying to win 270 electoral votes). Trump won, according to the law of the land. No question about it. If the election was decided by a popular vote, the candidates would have campaigned differently and Trump may still have won.

But regardless of this election cycle: I think we should reconsider the electoral college, and maybe it would give citizens in non-swing-states more equitable representation.

A total and complete stranger comes here and with his first post you think you know him so well that you can slap him and think that's just fine? And a host of others line up behind you to join in? August I'm surprised you stuck around. And I would advise you not to, I find the love of God has grown very cold among this assembly.

 

[Utah]

A total and complete stranger comes here and with his first post you think you know him so well that you can b*tchslap him and think that's just fine? And a host of others line up behind you to join in? August I'm surprised you stuck around. And I would advise you not to, I find the love of God has grown very cold among this assembly.

Especially post 53; it reeks of unadulterated hatred.

 

[tourist]

A total and complete stranger comes here and with his first post you think you know him so well that you can b*tchslap him and think that's just fine? And a host of others line up behind you to join in? August I'm surprised you stuck around. And I would advise you not to, I find the love of God has grown very cold among this assembly.

I don't think that the love has grown cold in this assembly but politics can be a heated topic.

 

[RickyZ]

Especially post 53; it reeks of unadulterated hatred.

No, actually that reeks of how Jesus would have us greet strangers. Bless you!

 

[maxwel]

A total and complete stranger comes here and with his first post you think you know him so well that you can slap him and think that's just fine? And a host of others line up behind you to join in? August I'm surprised you stuck around. And I would advise you not to, I find the love of God has grown very cold among this assembly.

Ricky... seriously?

Fine, lets parse out your accusations.


1. "you think you know him so well".
I don't need to "know" him; I used his own words and actions, to point out, very specifically and precisely, what he said and did.

I didn't dream things up out of thin air; I used his own actions, and words, to draw very normative and reasonable conclusions.

Using people's words and actions to draw conclusions is something everyone does on cc every day,
and it's something we all do in normal life every day.

Furthermore, he jumped into a debate area, and INTENTIONALLY CREATED CONTENTION by criticizing the views of the majority of people on this site... he should expect debate and more contention to follow.

- HE WAS NOT A VICTIM HERE... no matter how much you WANT him to be.
- He jumped into the forum, and from his very first words, he intentionally inserted completely contentious views.
- No one went out looking for him, to start an argument; he came here, and started arguing with us... and when non-Christians come here just to argue, they are very often trolls.


2. "slap him"
I never put a hand on him, and you know that; you're using absurd hyperbole, and trying to DEMONIZE ME and ACCUSE me of ABUSE, because I POINTED OUT TROLLISH BEHAVIOR IN SOMEONE WHO WAS AGREEING WITH YOUR POSITION.

Pointing out trollish behavior in a DEBATE AREA... is hardly abuse.
Furthermore, if he wasn't supporting your position, you wouldn't care what I'd said to him.

This is a debate area.
Someone shouldn't come into this area if they can't deal with debate and disagreement.

If he's NOT a troll, then he has every opportunity to counter my contentions.


3. "I'm surprised you stuck around. And I would advise you not to."
First you accuse me, wrongfully, of making things up; then you accuse me, wrongfully, of physical abuse; and finally you assert, that because of all your fake accusations, I should just LEAVE.


Ricky, you've outdone yourself this time.

HUGS!!!!!

LOTS OF HUGS!!!!!!!!!

 

[Desdichado]

Autumn West doesn't appear to be really offended.

Pointing out trollish behavior is by no means comparable to assaulting widows and orphans or turning away somebody seeking spiritual counsel.

 

[maxwel]

Autumn West doesn't appear to be really offended.

Pointing out trollish behavior is by no means comparable to assaulting widows and orphans or turning away somebody seeking spiritual counsel.

Thank you for suggesting I don't assault widows and orphans.

Ya know, it's hard keeping that covered up.

 

[Desdichado]

Somebody has to be your spin doctor.

Thank you for suggesting I don't assault widows and orphans.

Ya know, it's hard keeping that covered up.

 

[Magenta]

#3 (re: not sticking around) was actually directed to August and not Maxwell (for the record)

 

[maxwel]

#3 (re: not sticking around) was actually directed to August and not Maxwell (for the record)

Ah, you're right!
Thanks for catching that.

Sorry Ricky.
My apologies... please allow me to take that point back, and froth about something else, lol.




For the record, I never asked August to leave.
If he did some trollish looking things but he's NOT a troll, then he should stick around.

 

[maxwel]

Magenta,

If you see me just completely MISS something again, please send me a PM so I can correct it.

It's fine to post it publicly, but I often don't read all the forum posts.


Thanks.
: )

 

[RickyZ]

I just think we should give all newcomers the benefit of the doubt until they prove otherwise. If he's a troll he'll prove it quick enough, if they are not and we act hastily to call them one then we have done them wrong. Besides, even trolls can present opportunities to benefit others reading the threads. And trolls may be here at the wooing of the Holy Spirit.

No harm no foul. Sometimes the 'course' of our discussions wears on me, especially when I find myself being sucked into it. which is all too often.

Hugs back atcha Maxwell, you elitist capitalist pig!

JUST KIDDING! You're a good man

 

[maxwel]

I just think we should give all newcomers the benefit of the doubt until they prove otherwise. If he's a troll he'll prove it quick enough, if they are not and we act hastily to call them one then we have done them wrong. Besides, even trolls can present opportunities to benefit others reading the threads. And trolls may be here at the wooing of the Holy Spirit.

No harm no foul. Sometimes the 'course' of our discussions wears on me, especially when I find myself being sucked into it. which is all too often.

Hugs back atcha Maxwell, you elitist capitalist pig!

JUST KIDDING! You're a good man

ROFL

You can call me anything you want as long as it makes me laugh,