666 = Carbon

garee · Dec 27, 2016

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Its not a visible mark as if we walked after our own experiences (sight) .The buying and selling has to do with spiritual truth . not groceries to feed these bodies of death. I thought of a verse in Job.

Job 23:12 Neither have I gone back from the commandment of his lips; I have esteemed the words of his mouth more than my necessary food.

Pro 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.

Walking by sight I believe can produce what I would call a drama gospel to excite the emotions. Like people suddenly disappearing from a airplane,etc as if the kingdom of God would ever be of this corrupted creation.

666 is the number of unconverted men as beasts of the field coming from the dust as that which they return to. It is a different creation than that of the angels .They were not created from the rudiments of this world. As new creatures we are called Sons of God, being born of God. Our new spirits and new heart will not return to the dust as a beast of the field natural man . We will receive new incorruptible bodies that will be neither male not female, Jew or Gentile. Flesh and blood can never enter the kingdom of God. What we are is no reflection of what we will be. New creation not a rebuilt ,reconditioned old .

666 can also be seen by using two thirds( 666/1000). Many times the Holy Spirit uses that metphor in various parables as a dividing line between the lost and those redeemed by counting the number beast. The number of the beast (natural unconverted men ..

Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the "number of the beast": for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six

Tintin · Dec 27, 2016

eternally-gratefull said:

He must not think Christians creating the scientific method etc. was good enough.

Word_Swordsman · Dec 27, 2016

garee said:

[FONT=&quot]Rev. 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.[/FONT]
Notice first the people worshiping rather than dying for not doing that are to make an image to/of the Beast. I take that as everyone having something like a stone, wood, metal idol after his image in their homes. Whether his image has been known before or not, it will be made known to all who choose to worship him, on account of the miracles and/or fear of death for not worshiping.

Notice secondly that you cited Pro 23:23 incorrectly towards explaining Rev. 13:17, which says no man buys or sells without the mark, or the name, or the number of the Beast. I take it that there will be three possible ways for anyone else buying or selling anything to know they are dealing safely. Whatever that image men will make will be put on hand or forehead of all, while those declining to bear it will be killed.

The killing will have to be limited, seeing many of Israel will survive it to worship Jesus. I take it that many in the world will not be found in time to face the choice offered by the second Beast forcing worship of the first Beast.

Ahwatukee · Dec 27, 2016

garee, it's already happening in the literal sense. It has to do with literal buying and selling. We already have the technology with people being literally implanted under the skin. It is a moot point. There is no need to attempt to apply a symbolic or spiritual meaning to this, because the literal implanting under the skin is already happening.

How far would you be willing to go in holding on to your interpretation? Will you be standing in line to get your implant or whatever it evolves into, while holding on to your belief? Just keep watching and you will begin to see the sub dermal implant technology continue to evolve along side of cash, checks, bank cards, and cell phone bank apps.

It has exactly to do with literal buying and selling. Stop spiritualizing it and believe exactly what the scripture says. A good example of what is going to happen would be that, if they said beginning from a specific date only electronic crediting and debiting will be acceptable and cash and checks will no longer be valid forms of payment. Well, that is exactly what is going to happen. And that sub dermal device is going to be the only method of performing electronic transactions on individuals bank accounts.

Don't argue with me, just keep watching. So far I have been right on the money with the evolution of this technology. Every time one stage of this technology came out, I was watching for the next one. And it hasn't failed me yet. I know what is coming and its not this fluffy imaginary stuff that you are proclaiming. Just keep watching and for God's and your sake, don't receive any sub dermal devices because you believe something else.

KJV1611 · Dec 27, 2016

Ahwatukee said:

garee, it's already happening in the literal sense. It has to do with literal buying and selling. We already have the technology with people being literally implanted under the skin. It is a moot point. There is no need to attempt to apply a symbolic or spiritual meaning to this, because the literal implanting under the skin is already happening.

How far would you be willing to go in holding on to your interpretation? Will you be standing in line to get your implant or whatever it evolves into, while holding on to your belief? Just keep watching and you will begin to see the sub dermal implant technology continue to evolve along side of cash, checks, bank cards, and cell phone bank apps.

It has exactly to do with literal buying and selling. Stop spiritualizing it and believe exactly what the scripture says. A good example of what is going to happen would be that, if they said beginning from a specific date only electronic crediting and debiting will be acceptable and cash and checks will no longer be valid forms of payment. Well, that is exactly what is going to happen. And that sub dermal device is going to be the only method of performing electronic transactions on individuals bank accounts.

Don't argue with me, just keep watching. So far I have been right on the money with the evolution of this technology. Every time one stage of this technology came out, I was watching for the next one. And it hasn't failed me yet. I know what is coming and its not this fluffy imaginary stuff that you are proclaiming. Just keep watching and for God's and your sake, don't receive any sub dermal devices because you believe something else. [/COLOR]

My dog has a microchip, does that mean he has the mark of the beast? Is it the chip under the skin that's so bad... how so? A friend of mine has a cochlear implant does that mean he has the mark of the beast. Or how about an artificial hip does that count too?

Demi777 · Dec 27, 2016

Just keep checking if between your dogs ears bumps show up that could eventually grow horns and your fine. (sorry couldnt resist)

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JesusRules1 · Dec 27, 2016

KJV1611 said:

It is not the microchip,or device used alone,that doom them,but it is the intention behind it.

The world will know what the beast stands for,that He is against God and Christianity,and he regards no god,but honors the God of forces,or the occult,and wants to establish a kingdom where there is no power above that of the beast,and they worship him,so they are clear on his agenda,so when the world takes the mark,it is over,for repentance is no longer available to the Gentiles,which is the fulness of the Gentiles be come in,and God will only work with Israel,which is all Israel shall be saved.

The beast's agenda is that there is no personal God to help mankind,and mankind's technology,and devices,can solve their problems.

When they take the mark of the beast they are going against God,and Christianity,and that is what doom them.

The chip without that purpose of the beast means nothing,and it will not be a worldwide thing until the beast appears claiming to have harnessed the power of nature.

The mark of the beast has to do with technology,for it will be a device that will cut down on crime,by keeping track of the citizens by way of satellite,and knowing who was in the location of a crime scene,identify people,and keep track of their financial records,which will all pop up on computer with a picture of them,when the chip is scanned.

Also the first wrath of God that is poured upon earth is the mark they took,will cause a noisome,and grievous sore to whoever took it,which there must be something like lithium in the chip,and God causes it to break open,and the lithium,or something like it leaks in their skin,causing a sore that will not heal,which God will cease to exist the whole basis of trying to have peace on earth by their own methods,and that is the mark of the beast,because they thought it would make things run smoother,and cut down on crime,because there was no personal God they believed in to help them.

KJV1611 · Dec 27, 2016

JesusRules1 said:

It is not the microchip,or device used alone,that doom them,but it is the intention behind it.

The world will know what the beast stands for,that He is against God and Christianity,and he regards no god,but honors the God of forces,or the occult,and wants to establish a kingdom where there is no power above that of the beast,and they worship him,so they are clear on his agenda,so when the world takes the mark,it is over,for repentance is no longer available to the Gentiles,which is the fulness of the Gentiles be come in,and God will only work with Israel,which is all Israel shall be saved.

The beast's agenda is that there is no personal God to help mankind,and mankind's technology,and devices,can solve their problems.

When they take the mark of the beast they are going against God,and Christianity,and that is what doom them.

The chip without that purpose of the beast means nothing,and it will not be a worldwide thing until the beast appears claiming to have harnessed the power of nature.

The mark of the beast has to do with technology,for it will be a device that will cut down on crime,by keeping track of the citizens by way of satellite,and knowing who was in the location of a crime scene,identify people,and keep track of their financial records,which will all pop up on computer with a picture of them,when the chip is scanned.

Also the first wrath of God that is poured upon earth is the mark they took,will cause a noisome,and grievous sore to whoever took it,which there must be something like lithium in the chip,and God causes it to break open,and the lithium,or something like it leaks in their skin,causing a sore that will not heal,which God will cease to exist the whole basis of trying to have peace on earth by their own methods,and that is the mark of the beast,because they thought it would make things run smoother,and cut down on crime,because there was no personal God they believed in to help them.

The red above is already going on right now for sure.

InSpiritInTruth · Dec 27, 2016

Buying and selling groceries is not of the Devil, but sin is.

Jesus said nothing on the outside of a man (like a micro chip) can defile a man, only those things which come forth from the heart. So how does the whole world worship the Red Dragon aka the Devil and the scarlet colored beast? They worship the Devil by doing his will/desire=the lust of the flesh=sin. The message has been the same since the beginning, so wake up! Those who commit sin are of the Devil.(1 John 3:8)

SIN is the red mark of the beast/serpent....so says the words of God!

Job 7:20
I have sinned; what shall I do unto thee, O thou preserver of men? why hast thou set me as a mark against thee, so that I am a burden to myself?

Job 10:14
If I sin, then thou markest me, and thou wilt not acquit me from mine iniquity.

Ahwatukee · Dec 27, 2016

KJV1611 said:

Hello KJV1611,

Two issues will be in play here: Remember when Jesus said, "whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake, will find it?" Well, When people take the mark, they will be doing so to save their lives and that because I believe that during that last 3 1/2 years all other methods of buying and selling will be made obsolete, leaving only that mark as a way of electronically crediting and debiting ones bank account. Therefore, anyone who doesn't have that mark, will not be able to perform any kind of banking transactions. No buying or selling! Scripture says that they will even be warned by an angel who will be announcing the consequences of receiving the mark. - Rev.14:9-11

The other issue is that, people will be receiving it as a form of worship in honor of the beast and that because of the counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders that the false prophet will be performing on behalf of the beast i.e. to give him further credibility of his claim of being God. The first deception will be when that beast/antichrist receives that fatal wound, but survives. The word there translated as "fatal" means that it is a mortal wound i.e. a death blow, not something that is survivable, yet he does. (Rev.13:3-8)

So in conclusion, it is not just about the mark itself, but as another poster said, it will be the intentions behind why they are receiving the mark 1) to save their lives at any cost and 2) in direct worship of the beast.

Remember, the receiving of the mark will be a choice for each individual. The great tribulation saints will know what the mark stands for and whose mark it is and will be willing to suffer persecution and death in keeping their testimony for Christ and the word of God and will not worship the beast, his image nor receive his mark.

KJV1611 · Dec 27, 2016

Ahwatukee said:

Hello KJV1611,

Two issues will be in play here: Remember when Jesus said, "whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake, will find it?" Well, When people take the mark, they will be doing so to save their lives and that because I believe that during that last 3 1/2 years all other methods of buying and selling will be made obsolete, leaving only that mark as a way of electronically crediting and debiting ones bank account. Therefore, anyone who doesn't have that mark, will not be able to perform any kind of banking transactions. No buying or selling! Scripture says that they will even be warned by an angel who will be announcing the consequences of receiving the mark. - Rev.14:9-11

The other issue is that, people will be receiving it as a form of worship in honor of the beast and that because of the counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders that the false prophet will be performing on behalf of the beast i.e. to give him further credibility of his claim of being God. The first deception will be when that beast/antichrist receives that fatal wound, but survives. The word there translated as "fatal" means that it is a mortal wound i.e. a death blow, not something that is survivable, yet he does. (Rev.13:3-8)

So in conclusion, it is not just about the mark itself, but as another poster said, it will be the intentions behind why they are receiving the mark 1) to save their lives at any cost and 2) in direct worship of the beast.

Remember, the receiving of the mark will be a choice for each individual. The great tribulation saints will know what the mark stands for and whose mark it is and will be willing to suffer persecution and death in keeping their testimony for Christ and the word of God and will not worship the beast, his image nor receive his mark.

So when they offer the microchips for commerce in the next few years and there is no swearing of allegiance to the antichrist ascociated with it and we can still use plastic, will it be ok to take the implant?

Ahwatukee · Dec 27, 2016

Hello ISIT,

It will be a sin to do so because of the decision people will make in order to buy groceries, pay their bills, mortgage, gas, etc. And that will be by receiving the mark which will also represent a seal of ownership, aligning the one who receives it with the beast. In receiving the mark, they will love their lives more than God in an effort to preserve their lives. The receiving of the mark will be the end for those who do so, as the angel of Rev.14 makes very clear.

There will be those saints who come out of the great tribulation who will know what the mark is and whose mark it is and will be willing rather to be persecuted and die keeping their testimony for Jesus and his word and who will not worship the beast, his image nor receive his mark. - Rev.7:9-17, 10:10-11, 20:4-6

JesusRules1 · Dec 27, 2016

People are not understanding that a mark in the technology age is different than a mark in the past.

If the beast has power over all nations,tongues,and kindreds,and his agenda is that there is no personal God to help mankind,for he regards no god,how is he going to promise them peace,and things will run smoother,and to cut down on crime,seeing peace can only be obtained by the efforts of people,and he has to convince people that he can provide a better life on earth than any religion.

The only way that can happen is to be able to know everyone's location on earth,and if there is a crime who was at the crime scene,by keeping track of the citizens,which this will cause the world to feel safer,for people will be afraid to commit a crime because they will be found out,and the one world economic system,nobody will carry cash,and the mark will have all information about them on computer.

So a person's identification can not be lost,and their money cannot be lost,and their credit card cannot be lost,social security card cannot be lost,house keys,car keys,cannot be lost,for they could open doors,and start a car,by scanning their hand,and they can find lost people,people will be afraid to commit a crime.

That is the beast's agenda,people's technology,and devices,can solve the problems.

But no matter what people think the mark of the beast is this,and not that,it is the chip,it is not the chip,regardless of what people believe,the world is still going to institute the microchip eventually,why,because it will cause the world to run smoother,and be more safe.

It is only obvious that the world will institute the microchip,for the very same reasons as it states in Revelation,why,because technology will cause them to do it,because they know it causes the world to run smoother,and safer.

They went to the credit card,and the smart card,and they will keep advancing until the chip is instituted as the one world economic system.

It is only common sense they will do it for the same reasons the beast in Revelation will institute the mark,for they are advancing in technology,and want things to run smoother.

They will institute the chip worldwide regardless what people believe,but it is the solution of the beast to try to bring peace to the world,by man's technology,and devices,and does one think that the chip would not be involved.

The only reason that it dooms them is because they are saying it is all about people,who can solve their own problems,and there is no personal God to help them,which they cut God out of the picture,and every god that people believe.

Regardless what people believe,the world is still going to go cashless,and want crime to reduced,and to find lost children,so the chip or something like it,linked to satellite will be the solution,for technology will lead them that way.

Technology,technology,in the beast kingdom is technology,and how will the beast try to convince the people that things will run smoother,and crime will be reduced without using technology,and he has to be able to keep track of all citizens of the world,and how will he do that,only by a device linked to satellite,like a GPS tracking system.

But I understand if people think that the beast kingdom was in the first century,for how can there be a chip then,even though the Bible says that the Roman Empire does not have their dominion taken away until God puts them down,and the whole world will attack Jerusalem,and the beast is the whole world that attacks Jerusalem.

InSpiritInTruth · Dec 27, 2016

Ahwatukee said:

I've already shown by the words of God that the seal of ownership is spiritual, but again you guys refuse to hear the Truth. Those who commit sins are servants of sin and are not servants of God, but are of the Devil. By serving the desires of the Devil which is the desires of the flesh, they have already proven they love themselves more and also love sin more than loving God by doing His will.

Proverbs 8:33-36

[SUP]33 [/SUP]Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.

[SUP]34 [/SUP]Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.

[SUP]35 [/SUP]For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the Lord.

[SUP]36 [/SUP]But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

Ahwatukee · Dec 27, 2016

KJV1611 said:

No! it will not be ok! Because the technology that is in place is in preparation for that coming mark. A good rule of thumb would be to not receive any type of device under the skin for the purpose of electronic crediting and debiting or for any reason. The devices that allow electronic crediting and debiting will continue to evolve in preparation for that coming antichrist/beast. The end result will be a sub dermal device that will perform the same function as card swiping and cell phone bank apps. As believers in Christ, we should be resisting this system, not using it out of convenience.

Denmark is close to being a cashless country, if not already, as they were supposed to go completely cashless in 2016, relying solely on electronic banking. The rest of the world will eventually follow suit and that in fulfillment of that coming beast and his mark. That's what all this technology is leading up to!

The system for electronic crediting and debiting (buying and selling) is already in place and has been for some time. For this reason my financial transactions are done via cash and checks, as I do not use the electronic crediting and debiting system. Even Christian's use this system of electronic crediting and debiting and that for the sake of convenience, when we should be resisting it in honor and worship of God, knowing what it is and what it is going to evolve into.

It will come to the point of no return, when cash, checks, card swiping, cell phone apps. and whatever other devices there will be, are made obsolete, leaving only that sub dermal mark as a means of crediting and debiting ones bank account. Since that mark will be the only way of electronically buying and selling, it will force people to make a decision whether to receive it or reject it. Those whose names have not been written in the book of life before the world began (Rev.13:8, 17:8) will worship the beast and receive his mark and that because they love their lives, this world and the things of this world over God who created all things.

KJV1611 · Dec 27, 2016

Ahwatukee said:

No! it will not be ok! Because the technology that is in place is in preparation for that coming mark. A good rule of thumb would be to not receive any type of device under the skin for the purpose of electronic crediting and debiting or for any reason. The devices that allow electronic crediting and debiting will continue to evolve in preparation for that coming antichrist/beast. The end result will be a sub dermal device that will perform the same function as card swiping and cell phone bank apps. As believers in Christ, we should be resisting this system, not using it out of convenience.

Denmark is close to being a cashless country, if not already, as they were supposed to go completely cashless in 2016, relying solely on electronic banking. The rest of the world will eventually follow suit and that in fulfillment of that coming beast and his mark. That's what all this technology is leading up to!

The system for electronic crediting and debiting (buying and selling) is already in place and has been for some time. For this reason my financial transactions are done via cash and checks, as I do not use the electronic crediting and debiting system. Even Christian's use this system of electronic crediting and debiting and that for the sake of convenience, when we should be resisting it in honor and worship of God, knowing what it is and what it is going to evolve into.

It will come to the point of no return, when cash, checks, card swiping, cell phone apps. and whatever other devices there will be, are made obsolete, leaving only that sub dermal mark as a means of crediting and debiting ones bank account. Since that mark will be the only way of electronically buying and selling, it will force people to make a decision whether to receive it or reject it. Those whose names have not been written in the book of life before the world began (Rev.13:8, 17:8) will worship the beast and receive his mark and that because they love their lives, this world and the things of this world over God who created all things.

So what's the issue, the RFID chip or cashless society?

dcontroversal · Dec 27, 2016

I view the mark in the following way....man was created on the 6th day with body, mind and spirit bound and identified with the world.....All men must make a choice between the temporal world and Satan's fallen kingdom (by choice or default) or the Kingdom of God....at the end of the age a point of no return is coming...God said, "ALL that refuse the LOVE of the truth will be deluded by the lie, identified with the world to the extent that they ALL might be judged (in God's Wrath)".....

Those who take the mark will be identified with the Fallen Kingdom of Satan and the fallen world which will be judged in God' s wrath....

Body-->6
Mind-->6
Spirit-->6

Lost and destined for the lake of fire....

I agree with post 119

Ahwatukee · Dec 27, 2016

KJV1611 said:

The issue is, that the world has been heading towards a cashless society and will continue to do so, while the electronic crediting and debiting system will continue evolve. The RFID chip implants are apart of that growing technology that will eventually evolve into the mark of the beast. Whatever that device becomes, it will be on/in the hand or forehead. During that time when people make purchases, instead of swiping their cards or using their cell phone bank apps, they will simply have that device on or under their skin scanned and their bank account will be debited in real time just like with card swiping. This is one of the reasons why we are seeing self check lanes in grocery stores and places like Ikea. People just take their merchandise, scan it, and then swipe their card and off they go. During the time of the beast and his mark, people will do the same thing, but when they pay, the will simply wave their hand or forehead over the scanner and off they go.

The end result will be the making of all other methods of buying and selling (cash, checks, cards, phone apps., etc.) obsolete, so that only that mark remains, which will force people to receive it in order to continue to be able to perform their financial transactions. It's a trap! I see this push to go electronic every time I receive an invoice. For most every business is pushing the individual to switch over to electronic payment opposed to invoice remittance. Those who love God will not receive it, but will rather die rejecting the beast and his mark. And others will receive it in order to continue living their lives.

InSpiritInTruth · Dec 27, 2016

More non-scriptural nonsense like your 7 year tribulation theory. We are to prove all things by the words of God, but you cannot provide one single verse of scripture to support a 7 year tribulation theory or a micro chip implant theory as being the mark of the beast. It's all non scriptural.

But let's humor this false doctrine for a bit to expose it even further, and so let's just imagine a micro chip is the mark of the beast. Do you suppose people would not know and be so foolish and so easily deceived if they were told openly in order to buy food they must worship the Devil by receiving a micro chip implant? Don't you think that would be a bit obvious to everyone in the world? LOL

But we are told by the words of God that Satan deceives the whole world. We are also told by the words of God that only the wise would understand, that everyone would be deceived except for the very elect, and only those elect who have their names written in the Lambs book of Life would understand, not to mention it says "here is the mind that has wisdom".

So once again, in so many ways these false doctrines fail the truth test by the words of God.

Word_Swordsman · Dec 27, 2016

I could feed my family well without having to use money. I have 15 pecan trees that produce enough pecans to fill our root cellar. Anyone with a free range chicken would gladly trade it for 5 pounds of unshelled pecans. Down the road a neighbor has hogs, gladly receiving our kitchen waste and some pecans for some pork. The neighbor with a lot of chickens will likely take whatever they need in trade of chickens.

Maybe a significant percentage of world citizens would have no choices like that, having to depend on how governments regulate bank accounts.

The world market is composed probably mostly of producers, such as in modern Israel, who engage in such trades and bartering methods. That is the historically sound method of meeting needs. It's world-wide. I will venture to suppose most of the world population would stick with that system, ignoring the Beast economy, until murdered for defying the system of the Beast.

I will challenge you to supply a total earth percentage of people in possession of a credit account that could be used to meet all purchase needs.

If anyone not using the popular electronic banking systems could demonstrate how someone could get around the Beast's electronic system, the rest of us need to know so we can strengthen our economic system. Meanwhile, trade of goods is left to what neighbor values of neighbor. Used wickedly that results in unbalanced international trade currency.

On a local basis family needs results in neighbor supplying neighbor, until caught and killed by the second Beast, who must support the first Beast.

A "mark" on anyone is set by the faithful who should judge the validity of any doctrine that opposes what the world of God as established already. Christians are commanded to mark anyone causing disruption/division in the Christian camp. Christians don't "brand" people, but the antichrist will gladly do so with his mark. In the end it will boil down to "heart v. heart".

The whole idea is that the major current population of earth won't likely adopt a new/modern economic system they have not followed already, involving the concept of trust of neighbor. Those who weigh the current systems are most likely to fall for an untested new economic system like that of the Beast of Revelation. A new untested system is more likely to be considered by a younger generation that won't have enough time to test a new system in what the Bible declares as a short-term decision-making period.

That is partly why us parents should be training up our children to know what is good versus bad. Left to themselves, the signals of the tummy might rule.

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