God's Chosen People per Romans 11

[KJV1611]

Yes, but even if they were, then it is only a certain part of them.

It is only the unbelieving branches, which is Judah/Levi. The rest of Israel (some Jews & Levites + the other 10 tribes) did exactly what it was supposed to do,

take the gospel to the nations.

I see it like this Spurge. God had to have somebody to be the bloodline of the Messiah, somebody to entrust the oracles of God with (which the scribes did a very good job at), to perform the priestly duties that foreshadowed Christ.

Somebody had to do those things so they would know the gospel through the shadows and we could get the more complete picture with shadows AND the writings of the new testament... we got a DOUBLE PORTION. God chose Israel and his flesh descendants to do that.

Romans 9:4 KJV
Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God , and the promises;

There is no need for those shadows any more because all the shadows and the law were fulfilled in Christ. The need for fleshly Israel has been removed.

At the same time, God chose some of the fleshly Jews to be sons of God.... God has not cast them away even though God is finished with Israel.

 

[KJV1611]

You may be right on R11:V12
SO:

Has God rejected Israel? No
Did God disqualify some of Israel from being Israel? Yes
Did they therefore become tilda Israel, non-Israel? Yes.

Were they rejected? Yes

But they were no longer Israel at the point they were rejected.

Israel itself remains unrejected

I see it like this Spurge lol. When the law came God's chosen people came almost exclusively from flesh Israel with a few gentiles mixed in. When Christ came, God's chosen people have primarily been from the gentile nations with a few jews mixed in. God doesn't chose or reject anyone based on their EARTHLY heritage - Gods choses and has chosen all peoples throughout history.

Fleshly Israel was cast away but God STILL SAVES Jewish people.

 

[KJV1611]

apotheo - cast away - is only used in R11 1 & 2

Where else are you seeing cast away?

We know that Israel has been cast away, think about it... What function does fleshly Israel play in God's plan in this time? Are they foreshadowing anything, are they in charge of the oracles of God are they spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ? They have been cast away - God is not using them any more.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

Under the Old Covenant God was covenantally committed to sending Jesus to the House of Israel,
which he did.

He also severely punished those who rejected the prophet like Moses.

The punishment took place in AD67-73.

It is a moot point to say they weren't Israel.

Yes they were not SPIRITUAL Israel, but they were still PHYSICAL Israel, and were punished as such.

The question then is what happens to Israel after AD 73.

 

[SovereignGrace]

We know that Israel has been cast away, think about it... What function does fleshly Israel play in God's plan in this time? Are they foreshadowing anything, are they in charge of the oracles of God are they spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ? They have been cast away - God is not using them any more.

God is now using the church to spread the word of God.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

I see it like this Spurge lol. When the law came God's chosen people came almost exclusively from flesh Israel with a few gentiles mixed in. When Christ came, God's chosen people have primarily been from the gentile nations with a few jews mixed in. God doesn't chose or reject anyone based on their EARTHLY heritage - Gods choses and has chosen all peoples throughout history.

Fleshly Israel was cast away but God STILL SAVES Jewish people.

NO !!!

Matthew 15:24

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

 

[KJV1611]

God is now using the church to spread the word of God.

And the truth is that Israel was a foreshadow of the corporate church.... some church members are true Israel and some are not.

 

[KJV1611]

NO !!!

Matthew 15:24

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

I'm not of the house of Israel and he was sent for me.

Edit: I do not understand that verse, I don't know what it means.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

We know that Israel has been cast away, think about it... What function does fleshly Israel play in God's plan in this time? Are they foreshadowing anything, are they in charge of the oracles of God are they spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ? They have been cast away - God is not using them any more.

Paul wrote Romans in Ad58 approx.

The Old Covenant expired AD 73, so at the time Paul wrote the letter, GOD HAD NOT CAST AWAY ISRAEL.

The question is what happened to Israel after AD 73.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

I'm not of the house of Israel and he was sent for me.

When did Jesus talk to you, feed you, and cure your verukas?

 

[KJV1611]

Paul wrote Romans in Ad58 approx.

The Old Covenant expired AD 73, so at the time Paul wrote the letter, GOD HAD NOT CAST AWAY ISRAEL.

The question is what happened to Israel after AD 73.

But Paul said they were cast away in verse 15.

Romans 11:15 KJV
For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be , but life from the dead?

I agree that Israel continued to exist for a while after Christ but when Christ came the NEW covenant superceeded the old one.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

apotheo - cast away
apobole - rejection/loss

You are right, I think, they were rejected by God, not vice versa.

(I like these discussions)

But Paul is talking only about the unbelieving Jews.

They are men overboard, collateral damage.

The rest of Israel has a very important purpose...to found the Church

 

[Spurgeoncy]

But I think you have it back to front. It is not Israel which dissolves into the nations, but the nations which dissolve into Israel

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Paul wrote Romans in Ad58 approx.

The Old Covenant expired AD 73, so at the time Paul wrote the letter, GOD HAD NOT CAST AWAY ISRAEL.

The question is what happened to Israel after AD 73.

The Law expired when Jesus rose again.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

The Law expired when Jesus rose again.

no, later than that.

 

[SovereignGrace]

no, later than that.

Jesus fulfilled it when He rose again. He said it was finished right before dying.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

No. That was Jesus simply dying.

Matthew 5
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Matthew 24
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Acts 2
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Soooo, ppl were being saved by the Law for ~ 50 years after the Christ's resurrection?

 

[presidente]

There are those who are still under the law today, seeking to be justified by it.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

Soooo, ppl were being saved by the Law for ~ 50 years after the Christ's resurrection?

Were they saved by it 50 years before his resurrection?