God's Chosen People per Romans 11

[Bladerunner]

"God promised a land of clearly defined boundaries (Genesis 15: 18-21) to Abraham (Genesis 12: 1; 13: 15; 15: 7; etc.)." (1)

"He renewed that promise to Abraham's son Isaac (Genesis 26: 3-5), to his grandson Jacob (Genesis 28: 13), and to their descendants after them forever (Leviticus 25: 46; Joshua 14: 9; etc.)." (1)

It is a historical fact that God brought these "chosen people" (Exodus 7: 7,8; Deuteronomy 7: 6; 14: 2; etc.) into the "Promised Land," (1)

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"When the Jewish people entered the Promised Land, God warned them that if they practiced the idolatry and immorality of the land's previous inhabitants, whom He had destroyed for their evil (Deuteronomy 9: 4),

He would cast them out as well (Deuteronomy 28: 63; 1 Kings 9: 7; 2 Chronicles 7: 20; etc.)." (1)

That this happened again and again, is an indisputable fact of history.

and when His people did not obey him, he disbursed them throughout the world.

"God declared that His people would be scattered "among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other" (Deuteronomy 28: 64; cf. 1 Kings 9: 7; Nehemiah 1: 8; Amos 9: 9; Zechariah 7: 14; etc.). And so it happened." (1)

The precision of which these prophecies have taken place is uncanny. Yet.....one prophecy after the other is fulfilled with 100% accuracy AND all of it is foretold in the Bible (the Word of God).

God warned that wherever they wandered the Jews would be "an astonishment, a proverb, a byword. . .a curse and a reproach" (Deuteronomy 28: 37; 2 Chronicles 7: 20; Jeremiah 29: 18; 44: 8; etc.)". (1)

Even after all of this, people of the world and even some on this thread, nations forget the history of 3,000 years and TWIST the 'Word of God' in order to advance their own adgendas (i.e. the Protestant Evangelicals sign an accord with the Roman Catholic Church in 1994).

In Revelation, John tells us that God will bring His people (Those who finally believe in Him as the Messiah) with Him in eternity. For those who believe otherwise is simply..................! You Fill in the Blank



(1) Hunt, Dave. A Woman Rides the Beast: The Roman Catholic Church and the Last Days (p. 21-22).

 

[KJV1611]

Romans 11:1 KJV
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

Romans 11:15 KJV
For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be , but life from the dead?

If flesh Israel is God's people then why does Paul say "God forbid" in verse 1 and then in verse 15 he says flesh Israel was cast away. If flesh Israel is God's chosen people then Paul is contradicting himself in the two verses. Any explanations for this?

 

[Bladerunner]

Romans 11:1 KJV
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

Romans 11:15 KJV
For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be , but life from the dead?

If flesh Israel is God's people then why does Paul say "God forbid" in verse 1 and then in verse 15 he says flesh Israel was cast away. If flesh Israel is God's chosen people then Paul is contradicting himself in the two verses. Any explanations for this?

Have you read the passages in the post you are trying to refute. Maybe you should try again....... and Get off of this FLESH and SPIRIT thing... You are obsessed with it and you are using it as your only fight against God's Word. I am pretty sure, it will not be good enough to win.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Romans 11:1 KJV
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

Romans 11:15 KJV
For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be , but life from the dead?

If flesh Israel is God's people then why does Paul say "God forbid" in verse 1 and then in verse 15 he says flesh Israel was cast away. If flesh Israel is God's chosen people then Paul is contradicting himself in the two verses. Any explanations for this?

Again no contradiction at all. Paul understand by the words of God that after the fullness of the Gentiles comes in God's favor would once again return to Israel. They were forsaken for a time, but God's mercy will return to Israel.

Isaiah 54:6-8

[SUP]6 [/SUP]For the Lord hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.

[SUP]8 [/SUP]In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the Lord thy Redeemer."

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Paul was warning churches who had ppl trying to revert others back to the Law's customs.

what does this have to do with ROM 11?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The context of Romans 11 is the casting away of flesh Israel.

No, That context of Romans 11 is the fact, God is not done with Isreal.

"Is God Done. No."

the rest of romans 11 is to support this statement.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I recently built a deck on my house. I went to Home Depot and bought a large quantity of 5 1/4 deck boards. After I installed all the deck boards needed to complete the deck, I had 20 boards left over. My project was done and I burnt all the cut pieces and scraps BUT I didn't burn the remnant because they were still good boards.

They will still boards. You called them what they were. The boards were not destroyed and made into something else. Otherwise, you would have NO REMNANT. (they would cease to exist as boards)

Where is the remnant from Edom, From Canaan, from the philistines, From all the other nations who have been militarily defeated and are no more (please do not tell me you think offspring of these peoples have no one who is saved, why did not God spare them a "remnant"

You have a remnant, to preserve the people. because YOUR NOT FINISHED With THEM as a people.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Where is that prophecy in the bible.

which one, You have been shown so many times in the past year that I know of.

Why do you keep asking, I am beginning to think this is just a game you place. Sound innocent, and people will forget..

I do not know about you, But I am sick of playing games.

if you want to discuss a part of scripture you have been shown, I will be glad to. You want to keep asking for proof you have been shown countless times (whether you agree it is proof or not is beside the point) then I am done.

 

[KJV1611]

Again no contradiction at all. Paul understand by the words of God that after the fullness of the Gentiles comes in God's favor would once again return to Israel. They were forsaken for a time, but God's mercy will return to Israel.

Isaiah 54:6-8

[SUP]6 [/SUP]For the Lord hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.

[SUP]8 [/SUP]In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the Lord thy Redeemer."

Verse 15 says flesh Israel was cast away, do you agree?

Romans 11:15 KJV
For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be , but life from the dead?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Romans 11:1 KJV
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

Romans 11:15 KJV
For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be , but life from the dead?

If flesh Israel is God's people then why does Paul say "God forbid" in verse 1 and then in verse 15 he says flesh Israel was cast away. If flesh Israel is God's chosen people then Paul is contradicting himself in the two verses. Any explanations for this?

vs 1 he is talking about the whole nation.

vs 15 he is also talking about the whole nation.

Israel no longer has the things as shown in Romans 9 1 - 5. it has been taken away from them and authority and representation of God was given to the church.

the warning in romans 11 is the churhc should not be to proud, because just as God took it away from israel and gave it to us, he can take it right back away from us and give it BACK to them.

the issue is NOT SALVATION. but WHAT nation represents God on earth.

from moses until Christ, It belonged to Isreal (Rom 9: 1-5)

After christ, it belonged to the church


Sadly, neither have been very good representatives of Christ, So this bickering and hate which goes on is actually quite commical. and childish,, If not outright SINFUL.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Verse 15 says flesh Israel was cast away, do you agree?

Romans 11:15 KJV
For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be , but life from the dead?

No,, It is speaking about the casting away of the NATION of Isreal

 

[eternally-gratefull]

romans 9: [SUP]3 [/SUP]For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen[SUP][a][/SUP] according to the flesh, [SUP]4 [/SUP]who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; [SUP]5 [/SUP]of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.

Question, Paul makes it clear. these things bolded were given to FLESHLY Israel.

Who has control of the now?? Was it not taken away from the nation of Israel and given to the church?

 

[KJV1611]

vs 1 he is talking about the whole nation.

vs 15 he is also talking about the whole nation.

Israel no longer has the things as shown in Romans 9 1 - 5. it has been taken away from them and authority and representation of God was given to the church.

the warning in romans 11 is the churhc should not be to proud, because just as God took it away from israel and gave it to us, he can take it right back away from us and give it BACK to them.

the issue is NOT SALVATION. but WHAT nation represents God on earth.

from moses until Christ, It belonged to Isreal (Rom 9: 1-5)

After christ, it belonged to the church


Sadly, neither have been very good representatives of Christ, So this bickering and hate which goes on is actually quite commical. and childish,, If not outright SINFUL.

You're missing the point EG, forget about Romans 9, Romans 9 has nothing to with Pauls statements in Romans 11.

In verse 1 Paul asks has God cast HIS people. Paul says God forbid NO!
In verse 15 Paul says FLESH Israel was cast away.. This can only mean one thing - God's people are not flesh Israel... God's people were not cast away but flesh Israel was.

 

[KJV1611]

romans 9: [SUP]3 [/SUP]For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen[SUP][a][/SUP] according to the flesh, [SUP]4 [/SUP]who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; [SUP]5 [/SUP]of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.

Question, Paul makes it clear. these things bolded were given to FLESHLY Israel.

Who has control of the now?? Was it not taken away from the nation of Israel and given to the church?

I agree with that completely and that's exactly the same thing Paul is saying in chapter 11. God has cast away flesh Israel BUT he hasn't cast away his CHOSEN people like Paul and the rest of the saved Jews.

I'm completely at a loss now, it seems that you are agreeing with me lol.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I agree with that completely and that's exactly the same thing Paul is saying in chapter 11. God has cast away flesh Israel BUT he hasn't cast away his CHOSEN people like Paul and the rest of the saved Jews.

I'm completely at a loss now, it seems that you are agreeing with me lol.

then you do not agree,,

1. The things I posted have nothing to do with the salvation of 1 soul, be it Isreal or Gentile. It has to do with what grrup of people represent God.

2. the remnant of Isreal are Gods representatives now according to the CHURCH, not according to ISRAEL.

In the OT, Gentiles were saved every day, and joined Israel as the family of God (saved) but it was still ISRAEL who represented God.

God cast away ISREAL as his people representing him, and gave that to the church. Thus the remnant are a part of the CHURCH, but it is the CHURCH that represents God (Gentile)

non of this has anything to do with who is saved or who is not saved, It has everything to do with who is representing God.

in Rom 11: 15, God cast away Israel, as holding the things in rom 9: 1.. not that he condemned them to hell.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Verse 15 says flesh Israel was cast away, do you agree?

Romans 11:15 KJV
For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be , but life from the dead?

Again this is a temporary state, also check the words used in verses 1 and 2 with verse 15, as they are not the same.... cast away [SUP]G683[/SUP]casting away [SUP]G580 [/SUP]

But no, the casting away is not a permanent state.

Jeremiah 33:25-26

[SUP]25 [/SUP]Thus saith the Lord; If my covenant be not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth;

[SUP]26 [/SUP]Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob and David my servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them.

 

[KJV1611]

then you do not agree,,

1. The things I posted have nothing to do with the salvation of 1 soul, be it Isreal or Gentile. It has to do with what grrup of people represent God.

2. the remnant of Isreal are Gods representatives now according to the CHURCH, not according to ISRAEL.

In the OT, Gentiles were saved every day, and joined Israel as the family of God (saved) but it was still ISRAEL who represented God.

God cast away ISREAL as his people representing him, and gave that to the church. Thus the remnant are a part of the CHURCH, but it is the CHURCH that represents God (Gentile)

non of this has anything to do with who is saved or who is not saved, It has everything to do with who is representing God.

in Rom 11: 15, God cast away Israel, as holding the things in rom 9: 1.. not that he condemned them to hell.

Per Romans 11, God's people are not FLESH Israel. God cast away national Israel but he did not cast away his people. God forbid that God would cast away Matthew, Paul, Peter etc. just because he was done with NATIONAL Israel.

 

[KJV1611]

Again this is a temporary state, also check the words used in verses 1 and 2 with verse 15, as they are not the same.... cast away [SUP]G683[/SUP]casting away [SUP]G580 [/SUP]

But no, the casting away is not a permanent state.

Jeremiah 33:25-26

[SUP]25 [/SUP]Thus saith the Lord; If my covenant be not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth;

[SUP]26 [/SUP]Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob and David my servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them.

It doesn't matter if the state is permanent or not. The fact is that in Romans 11 God cast away Israel BUT he did not cast away his people. The only conclusion that can be drawn from Romans 11 is that God's chosen people are not Israel. Chosen people - not cast away. Israel - cast away. They are two seperate entities.

 

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Per Romans 11, God's people are not FLESH Israel. God cast away national Israel but he did not cast away his people. God forbid that God would cast away Matthew, Paul, Peter etc. just because he was done with NATIONAL Israel.

O true gospel why you so hard

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Per Romans 11, God's people are not FLESH Israel.

Again, you are clearly in error. Paul is talking about flesh and blood Israel as God's people (HIS PEOPLE) in verse 1 and 2.

Romans 11:1-2

11 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew."

Your bias, preconceived notions, stubbornness, and rebellion towards the words of God are once again being manifest. Rebellion towards the words of God is as witchcraft, and stubbornness as sin and idolatry.