Flesh / Spirit

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InSpiritInTruth said:
Post #111 is bearing false witness about me. :)
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I only said that because you act like you are getting attacked on all sides and while it is true you are being attacked by some many of us give you correction but you say it's an attack and you are always saying how we speak against the word of God and if anyone disagrees with you then you imply we are sinners and not saved you also seem to be quite keen on speaking about our sins and when asked a question that might prove you to fail under your own doctrine you completely avoid the question.

I am not trying to be mean and I admit there were times when I responded how I shouldn't but I just want to help you understand where your in the wrong and why your wrong, I am not in the bdf to win debates. And vise versa I also need help to see and understand where I am in the wrong but not by those that I am having conflict with because false accusations occur often. But I will say I am sorry that I have not been as loving and understanding as I should have been
 
reneweddaybyday said:

Look at Ecc 4:8-12. It talks about two being better than one and in vs 12 a threefold cord is not quickly broken. The threefold cord is the two plus God.
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Exactly when steph and I first started dating I laid out the ground rules that God has to come first in our relationship and that our relationship must always be standing on God she agreed that this is the case and she has told me how she has grown so much in Christ from being with me and I have to admit she has indeed helped me grown vastly as well.

Such is the bond of one that is set upon God :)
 
Blain said:
Believe me I do, I am all to aware of my sins and weaknesses and I am constantly working on them. I don't care if someone points the finger to me or says these kinds of things about me but when they do it other and label everyone according to how they see all of us that is where I have an issue
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Doggonit, Blair. Half the time I see your avatar I think it's ISIT. I apologize; you have a wonderful heart for God and I would never speak to you in such a harsh tone. I'm sorry, bro. Case of mistaken identity.
 
InSpiritInTruth said:
Here is how my threads usually go, I post a whole bunch of Bible verses to edify others, and then the wolf pack comes in to judge, falsely accuse and attack me personally based solely on the fact that they hate me. How Christian like. This place is a joke. :(
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Yeah, sharing Scripture is an evil deed of decadence.
 
Utah said:
Doggonit, Blair. Half the time I see your avatar I think it's ISIT. I apologize; you have a wonderful heart for God and I would never speak to you in such a harsh tone. I'm sorry, bro. Case of mistaken identity.
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lol no worries buddy I am not one to take offense his avatar does look a lot like mine lol
 
Utah said:
He has no gift of discernment. Anyone who thumps their chest in self righteousness while calling Christians, "children of the devil," doesn't have a lick of discernment.
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I meant discernment as to who...oh never mind...not into debate yet.
 
gb9 said:
the joke is people thinking that they " do not willfully and habitually " sin. there is no " sin categories " that is the joke. only it is not funny.
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if all you can see is sin. then there is a problem, because when was your sin taken into account.

16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life John 3

21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.Galatians 2


18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.Romans 5
 
reneweddaybyday said:
A little on maturing as a born again believer:


It is clear from Scripture that when we first become born again, we are considered "babes in Christ" and we are to feed upon "the milk of the word" in order that we may grow up in Him.

In 2 Tim 3:16, we are told All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

Paul's letters to the church are organized in a manner that reveals and emphasizes the doctrine, reproof, and correction shown in 2 Tim 3:16.

Doctrine:

Romans is doctrinal in nature and reveals the gospel of Christ to both Jew and gentile, declares that all are sinners, lost, helpless. In Romans we learn that the saved sinner has been crucified with Christ and was resurrected with Christ. In Romans we learn that we have been made children of God and heirs of God!

Ephesians is doctrinal and is written to those who are faithful in Christ Jesus, those who have learned the lesson of the gospel of Christ shown in Romans. In Ephesians we learn that we are seated in the heavenlies, and that we are to walk in love, walk in light, and walk circumspectly (and that's the order we learn to walk --- first love, then light, then circumspectly). If we haven't learned the lesson of Romans, we are not ready, nor prepared, to learn the lesson of Ephesians.

Thessalonians is doctrinal and is written to those who are fully matured. The Thessalonian believer is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ (1 Thess 1:1); the believer has completely turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God (1 Thess 1:9). The only thing left for the mature believer to do is wait for His Son from heaven (1 Thess 1:10) and while waiting, do what God tells us to do (when God tells us to do it, how God tells us to do it, where God tells us to do it). When God tells us to do something, He may not reveal why He tells us to do what He tells us to do, but we can probably figure that out once we do what He tells us to do.


Reproof:

Corinthians reproves the conduct of the believer who has not followed the instruction laid out in Romans.

Philippians reproves the conduct of the believer who has not followed the instruction laid out in Ephesians.

There is no reproof for the Thessalonian believer as glorification is the next step for him/her.


Correction:

Galatians corrects doctrinal error which creeps in due to the believer not adhering to the instruction in Romans.

Colossians corrects doctrinal error which creeps in due to the believer not adhering to the instruction in Ephesians.

Again, no correction for the Thessalonian believer.


If the above interests you, please read further here: The Church Epistles (Bullinger)
(and say what you will about E.W. Bullinger --- sometimes he does hit the nail on the head).
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acts 10 and 15, do you see the word repent. do you see follow the full law of moses.(for gentiles)

15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.Hebrews 9

acts 2 there is no gentiles at pentecoste.

acts 10 and 15 happened (around)10-18 years later.

"You yourselves know how unlawful it is for a Jew to associate with or to visit anyone of another nation, but God has shown me that I should not call any person common or unclean Acts 10: Peter and Cornelius

if a gentile was at pentecoste, then peter would not have said this. and he would be in sin ie unlawful, ie deliberate sin as so call it on here.by talking to a gentile. (but god has shown me to call any one common or unclean)etc

what makes a person unclean .


and acts 15 never met to ask, what law, was given to a jewish person, but to ask, what law to give a gentile.

42 And he commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one appointed by God to be judge of the living and the dead.43 To him all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name."Acts 10

16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.John 3:
whoever believes has eternal life.

18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.John 3


whoever does not believe is condemned already.

Paul's letters to the church are organized in a manner that reveals and emphasizes the doctrine, reproof, and correction shown in 2 Tim 3:16.(your quote)
 
18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.19 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality,20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions,21 envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.24 And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit.26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.Galatians 5
for example.
paul using some of these words trying to tell you, about thinking in the flesh, ie the emotions or thought patterns, the mind can think in, etc

sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality,20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, slander.

being human, the saying------- no body is perfect, come to mind. etc --(-to err is human. but to blame, someone else is more human lol )

for example
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.24 And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

and trying to direct you in your thought patterns in thinking happy and joyfully thoughts.

and by doing this, you will ,open a spiritual door , for a platform for the holy spirit to teach you. etc
 
royalscot said:
and acts 15 never met to ask, what law, was given to a jewish person, but to ask, what law to give a gentile.

42 And he commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one appointed by God to be judge of the living and the dead.43 To him all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name."Acts 10

16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.John 3:
whoever believes has eternal life.

18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.John 3
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And what is the young believer to do once he/she is born again, royalscot? How do we grow and mature in Christ? How do we get from newborn babe to full maturity?

As a newly born again believer, we read Scripture (starting in Romans) which is the doctrine which brings us from sinner to born again believer. In Romans we learn we have been crucified with Christ and resurrected with Him, sin no longer having dominion over us, , transformed by the renewing of the mind so we are no longer conformed to this world.

Corinthians reproves our behavior if we do not comprehend our having died with Christ and we continue under the bondage of sin.

Galatians corrects any doctrinal error if/when we become removed from the grace of Christ unto another doctrine.

Start there, learn the lessons, then go to Ephesians, where we learn that we are seated in the heavenlies with Christ. We cannot approach the reality of being seated in the heavenlies, having been blessed with all spiritual blessings in Christ without first knowing/applying what is written in Roman, Corinthians, Galatians.
 
Blain said:
Why do you always act like such a martyr? and why do you always act as if your right and everyone is against both you and God?
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The problem is when you get a passion for something it is the best thing ever,
and when others do not jump on board it easily becomes polarised.
Then it gets to you and you start stopping your message and concentrate on the
others. At this point you have lost.

Seen it too many times here, we can just share our vision and insight, and it is
up to others to take it or not, that is all we have. It is not us that matter so much
as the message and it being said, Amen and Halleluyah.
 
Grace777x70 said:
We need to be praying for him. Our loving Lord will be faithful to him.
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Heavenly Father, Lord Jesus, make you break all hearts of stone that fail to recognize your gift of grace for what it is -- a perfect, irrevocable act of love, life and good cheer, for our benefit and your delight. Amen.
 
hate to see that he has been banned. I pray that he finds that God loves us all, that he wants all to come to repentance , that no gets condemned.

we all need to balance that we love Christ, that we hate the world system, but that we all see the lost as people who need to be shown the light of Christ, not just as sinners who need to be yelled at, the goodness of God and his love for us through his Son, is what leads the lost to repentance.
 
reneweddaybyday said:
And what is the young believer to do once he/she is born again, royalscot? How do we grow and mature in Christ? How do we get from newborn babe to full maturity?

As a newly born again believer, we read Scripture (starting in Romans) which is the doctrine which brings us from sinner to born again believer. In Romans we learn we have been crucified with Christ and resurrected with Him, sin no longer having dominion over us, , transformed by the renewing of the mind so we are no longer conformed to this world.

Corinthians reproves our behavior if we do not comprehend our having died with Christ and we continue under the bondage of sin.

Galatians corrects any doctrinal error if/when we become removed from the grace of Christ unto another doctrine.

Start there, learn the lessons, then go to Ephesians, where we learn that we are seated in the heavenlies with Christ. We cannot approach the reality of being seated in the heavenlies, having been blessed with all spiritual blessings in Christ without first knowing/applying what is written in Roman, Corinthians, Galatians.
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firstly, if you are wrong in your interpretation , then it makes no difference to what you teach them.
start here.
alatians 5: Christ Has Set Us Free
1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.
2 Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you.3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.

start at act 10 and acts 15.
there is your problem, with the word sinner. you need a law to repent from. not an old covenant law, that was never gave to a gentile in the first place. your put a yolk on others that you cannot carry your self.

Acts 15: The Jerusalem Council
.8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us,9 and he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith




1 But some men came down from Judea and were teaching the brothers, "Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.

.5 But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, "It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses."

9 and he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith.10 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?11 But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will."




start here, if you have not grasped walking in faith v walking in faith and dragging a law, that will condemn you. hebrew 9 already quoted to you.
then you will never be able to teach no body the truth.

and since the form topic is flesh and spirit.

5 Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith---Galatians 3

gentile do not have law.

14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law.15

again what law condemns a believer.
Romans 8: Life in the Spirit
1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.

since you never even read the other quote given, stay under the yolk of slavery is your choice. so every week will have to go back to that said church and be bless by god. when you have rejected what his son has already done for you.

.8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us,9 and he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith

can you read, cleansed your heart by following a law. since you cannot grasp this ,then the flesh or teaching people to read the bible is about all you will achive. and keep them in the flesh.

when the spiritual is having your own personal relationship with god. nd teaching them to stay in faith, not stay in law that was never given to a gentile.

do not have the law.15
 
royalscot said:
1 But some men came down from Judea and were teaching the brothers, "Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.

.5 But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, "It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses."
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Right. This is the crux of the need for the letter to the Galatians --- "some men came down from Judea and were teaching the brothers" certain things which caused the new believers to be removed from the gospel of grace of Christ unto another gospel, a gospel that was perverted according to Gal 1:7.

Paul traveled to various areas and taught about the grace of God to all who would hear. Then "some men" would follow Paul and teach contrary to the grace of God.

Paul wrote the letter to the church at Galatia because that is exactly what happened there.

And it can still happen in our day and time. That is why we need the correction of Galatians. It gets us back on track and in sync with the doctrine written in Romans.
 
The devil is always working to add to the Gospel---- or take away from it...
 
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