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Don't you think if we have all sought out our own slavation and found TRUTH in salvation and are living everyday of our lives according to the first commandment to Love the Lord our God with all of our heart, soul, mind and strength, (which is in essence every fiber of our being) that what happens in the end is of no consequence? If our hearts are right, He will bless us with discernment on the day it is required and lead us through every circumstance. The idea is to walk in the will of God every day of your life, and if your heart is truly right in God whatever happens in the end, He will carry us through, and we will not have to be afraid of missing a pre-trib rapture, nor will we fear facing the Tribulation, neither will we fear being one of those who have fallen away or mislead by false prophets.
At some point you have to agree to disagree, but there is only one truth and in finding that truth you have to look at every possible scripture about the topic, not just a select few. You have to study to learn with a passion, and pray for God to give you discernment and understanding.
Know your salvation and be sure of it everyday!
At some point you have to agree to disagree, but there is only one truth and in finding that truth you have to look at every possible scripture about the topic, not just a select few. You have to study to learn with a passion, and pray for God to give you discernment and understanding.
Know your salvation and be sure of it everyday!
W
You are saying that to bring in another book of the Bible into a discussion of the meaning of the Revelation is a violation of Revelation 22:18, "For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book." This is one of the worst cases of wresting scripture that I have ever seen.
If you desire to exclude the consideration of any scripture from a discussion of the end times, you are ignoring the fact that "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." (2 Timothy 3:16-17) You are also ignoring the first rule of prophetic interpretation. First, that is, not in my estimation, but in God's, for He said, "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." (2 Peter 1:20-21)
As the apocalyptic portion of the Revelation opened, John saw a book in the right hand of "him that sat on the throne." This book was "written within and on the backside, and sealed with seven seals." (Revelation 5:1) Where had we seen a sealed book before in scripture? We read in the last chapter of the book of Daniel, "And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end." (Daniel 12:8-9)
As the Lamb opens each of the seals (in Revelation 6, 7, and 8) we see a vision whose exact meaning can be debated, but there can be no debate about the fact that the subject is mass destruction. There will be a far ranging destruction over much of the world. This much is clear.
The opening of the last seal ushered in a series of visions obviously depicting yet more destruction, and then the prophet saw a new vision. An Angel appeared, holding "a little book open." (Revelation 10:2) John was told to eat the book, and then was told that he "must prophesy again about many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings." (Revelation 10:11 NKJV)
This is followed by another series of visions, but these visions are significantly different from the visions early in the book. Every apocalyptic vision in the rest of the book uses imagery borrowed directly from the book of Daniel, and in that book the meaning of every symbol is clearly stated.
What do we learn from all this? We first note that the book in Revelation 5 was "written within and on the back side." What was here called a "book" was in actuality what we would now call a scroll. It was written on both sides. That is, it was full of meaning. But it was sealed. Now we go back to the only book of scripture that was sealed, and what do we find? The futures of many nations are explicitly discussed, but much of what is told has not happened. A fulfillment of these prophecies appears to be impossible, because these nations no longer exist. As the seals on this book which is full of meaning are opened, we see that there is a mass destruction coming. Out current world order will be destroyed.
We all remember what happened only a few years ago when Communism collapsed on itself in the former USSR and Eastern Europe. We suddenly began to hear regularly about forgotten nations that we had never heard of. As we grew up, how many of us had ever even heard of Croatia or Serbia? Yet suddenly, when Yugoslavia collapsed, there they were! They had been there all the time, masked by current political realities, and suddenly they were visible again. So we have seen before our very eyes that a destruction of the existing order makes room for the old order to rise up again. The many nations mentioned in Daniel have not ceased to exist. They have simply been masked by current political realities. But when the current political system is destroyed, the old order can again emerge.
After the seals were opened, the prophet and apostle John was shown a little book and was told to eat it. The meaning of this is rather obviously that he was not only to read it, but to make it part of himself, to digest it. That is, he was to become so familiar with it that he understood everything it said. This book is"open." That is, it can be read. And it is "little." That is, it is can be understood. I believe that this is the same book seen in chapter 5, and that both books represent the Old Testament book of Daniel.
If this interpretation is correct, and I believe it is, then the point of this series of visions is that the book of Daniel cannot be understood without the first part of the book of Revelation, and that the last part of the book of Revelation cannot be understood without the book of Daniel. That is, that these two books can only be rightly interpreted when taken together.
But an attempt to interpret the Revelation apart from the rest of scripture could not possibly result in anything but nonsense. The whole thing plus the end is nonsense.walt2000
If you desire to exclude the consideration of any scripture from a discussion of the end times, you are ignoring the fact that "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." (2 Timothy 3:16-17) You are also ignoring the first rule of prophetic interpretation. First, that is, not in my estimation, but in God's, for He said, "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." (2 Peter 1:20-21)
As the apocalyptic portion of the Revelation opened, John saw a book in the right hand of "him that sat on the throne." This book was "written within and on the backside, and sealed with seven seals." (Revelation 5:1) Where had we seen a sealed book before in scripture? We read in the last chapter of the book of Daniel, "And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end." (Daniel 12:8-9)
As the Lamb opens each of the seals (in Revelation 6, 7, and 8) we see a vision whose exact meaning can be debated, but there can be no debate about the fact that the subject is mass destruction. There will be a far ranging destruction over much of the world. This much is clear.
The opening of the last seal ushered in a series of visions obviously depicting yet more destruction, and then the prophet saw a new vision. An Angel appeared, holding "a little book open." (Revelation 10:2) John was told to eat the book, and then was told that he "must prophesy again about many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings." (Revelation 10:11 NKJV)
This is followed by another series of visions, but these visions are significantly different from the visions early in the book. Every apocalyptic vision in the rest of the book uses imagery borrowed directly from the book of Daniel, and in that book the meaning of every symbol is clearly stated.
What do we learn from all this? We first note that the book in Revelation 5 was "written within and on the back side." What was here called a "book" was in actuality what we would now call a scroll. It was written on both sides. That is, it was full of meaning. But it was sealed. Now we go back to the only book of scripture that was sealed, and what do we find? The futures of many nations are explicitly discussed, but much of what is told has not happened. A fulfillment of these prophecies appears to be impossible, because these nations no longer exist. As the seals on this book which is full of meaning are opened, we see that there is a mass destruction coming. Out current world order will be destroyed.
We all remember what happened only a few years ago when Communism collapsed on itself in the former USSR and Eastern Europe. We suddenly began to hear regularly about forgotten nations that we had never heard of. As we grew up, how many of us had ever even heard of Croatia or Serbia? Yet suddenly, when Yugoslavia collapsed, there they were! They had been there all the time, masked by current political realities, and suddenly they were visible again. So we have seen before our very eyes that a destruction of the existing order makes room for the old order to rise up again. The many nations mentioned in Daniel have not ceased to exist. They have simply been masked by current political realities. But when the current political system is destroyed, the old order can again emerge.
After the seals were opened, the prophet and apostle John was shown a little book and was told to eat it. The meaning of this is rather obviously that he was not only to read it, but to make it part of himself, to digest it. That is, he was to become so familiar with it that he understood everything it said. This book is"open." That is, it can be read. And it is "little." That is, it is can be understood. I believe that this is the same book seen in chapter 5, and that both books represent the Old Testament book of Daniel.
If this interpretation is correct, and I believe it is, then the point of this series of visions is that the book of Daniel cannot be understood without the first part of the book of Revelation, and that the last part of the book of Revelation cannot be understood without the book of Daniel. That is, that these two books can only be rightly interpreted when taken together.
But an attempt to interpret the Revelation apart from the rest of scripture could not possibly result in anything but nonsense. The whole thing plus the end is nonsense.walt2000
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No it is not my opinion, He teaching is very clear about it. Ive taken a very very honest look at both sides and the rapture simply isn't true.
It was inspired by God Almighty though.
Yes, do you know how to watch, do you know what to watch for?
If you think I dont do it in love, then that is your opinion.
It was inspired by God Almighty though.
Yes, do you know how to watch, do you know what to watch for?
If you think I dont do it in love, then that is your opinion.
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You don't know the difference between a Quote in Revelation and proving a quote in the newtest .Your the reason that Revelation was hidden for Two thousand years.
I can show you in another one of your very posts where you broke your own rule.
I am proving .You ,
You can probable just repeat yourself That is why Rev.22/18 -20----put in for you 19.walt2000
I can show you in another one of your very posts where you broke your own rule.
I am proving .You ,
You can probable just repeat yourself That is why Rev.22/18 -20----put in for you 19.walt2000
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That is about it ,now we have the proof. It is good to know where the division points are,this is proof ,that one cannot dispute.
You can not argue with the absolute ,except ,may be shut them down.
When they are making their point, and the moment they start in ,with another scripture, other then Rev.
You point out the infraction against the rule in Rev.22/18 that , shuts them down ,dead, in the water, then, you bring up Rev.10/4 Explain Rev.10/4 with out introducing any other bible point or version .You baffle them with you intellect.
Mind You,You may lose a so called friend, but ,you may win a soul for Christ. I have been eased out of many a church in the middle of their testimony on their version of the pope hating so called Christians.
Some People Kiss you ,while other people have to reassess their view ,and really, try to change the subject.
So keeping to the rule of Rev.22/18 it is a defensive method ,in favor of your church ,.As if he needs help.Walt2000
You can not argue with the absolute ,except ,may be shut them down.
When they are making their point, and the moment they start in ,with another scripture, other then Rev.
You point out the infraction against the rule in Rev.22/18 that , shuts them down ,dead, in the water, then, you bring up Rev.10/4 Explain Rev.10/4 with out introducing any other bible point or version .You baffle them with you intellect.
Mind You,You may lose a so called friend, but ,you may win a soul for Christ. I have been eased out of many a church in the middle of their testimony on their version of the pope hating so called Christians.
Some People Kiss you ,while other people have to reassess their view ,and really, try to change the subject.
So keeping to the rule of Rev.22/18 it is a defensive method ,in favor of your church ,.As if he needs help.Walt2000
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Speaking of changing subjects walt, I've asked you several times to start your own thread about Revelations. This subject is about the rapture doctrine not the seven thunders or the pope. I didn't sign up here to make friends but to teach the truth, subsequently I have made some very good friends on this site. Start another thread walt, this will benefit all.
W
Seven Thunders of Revelations - Page 25 - Christian Forums THERE is no rapture /So THERE IS NOTHING TO TALK ABOUT .THERE IS SEVEN THUNDERS ENDING WITH EIGHTH THUNDER .CALLING UP HIS PEOPLE TO THE HARVEST.WALT2000
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Well I disagree totaly with you. I don't see love in your message. Really I don't. If I am wrong, really I sent you my apology.
First I want to say: I think you are integer.
The teaching is clear for YOU... I think it is good to keep it by your self. So you said: You looked at a very very honest to both sides. The question that I have for you.. is: How can you do that? What do you called honest? And what about all the other people who look 'honest' to both sides.. and became to the conclusion that there is a pré-tribulation rapture? Aren't they looked honest? Even if they pray for it..and that they let by guide to the Holy Spirit? And what about them.. who said I was lead by the Holy Spirit..
What I would say with this is: all what you say is suggestive. Actually you said: I have looked at it.. and my conclusion is the only true conclusion. So.. be warned...
Now at your question: if I know how to look.. I will say: Yes. I know How to look.... at your question do I know what to watch for? Yes, I know what to watch for.
What for warnings? Pls, That I expect Jesus? That He is coming soon? We have to kept His demand.. and that is LOVE...
Read Rm 12 and 1Cor 13... and learn...
First I want to say: I think you are integer.
The teaching is clear for YOU... I think it is good to keep it by your self. So you said: You looked at a very very honest to both sides. The question that I have for you.. is: How can you do that? What do you called honest? And what about all the other people who look 'honest' to both sides.. and became to the conclusion that there is a pré-tribulation rapture? Aren't they looked honest? Even if they pray for it..and that they let by guide to the Holy Spirit? And what about them.. who said I was lead by the Holy Spirit..
What I would say with this is: all what you say is suggestive. Actually you said: I have looked at it.. and my conclusion is the only true conclusion. So.. be warned...
Now at your question: if I know how to look.. I will say: Yes. I know How to look.... at your question do I know what to watch for? Yes, I know what to watch for.
What for warnings? Pls, That I expect Jesus? That He is coming soon? We have to kept His demand.. and that is LOVE...
Read Rm 12 and 1Cor 13... and learn...
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You don't have to resort to name calling.
Is that what we are to do? Keep the truth to ourselves? I don't think pretribbers have taken an honest look at it, rather listened to doctrines of men.
Well I have looked at both sides and there is no doubts.
What do you watch for then? What Christ told you to?
He never gave you warnings to watch for???
I have and now I will post Matt 24 in its entirety because I care, friend. You can show me your rapture verses and we can discuss those like civilized human beings also.
Is that what we are to do? Keep the truth to ourselves? I don't think pretribbers have taken an honest look at it, rather listened to doctrines of men.
Well I have looked at both sides and there is no doubts.
What do you watch for then? What Christ told you to?
He never gave you warnings to watch for???
I have and now I will post Matt 24 in its entirety because I care, friend. You can show me your rapture verses and we can discuss those like civilized human beings also.
M
MATTHEW 24 IN ITS ENTIRETY
1And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
If you want to believe this is already happened so be it, it does not change anything one way or the other concerning the rapture.
3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Here we have the subject of Matthew 24 plain and simple. The rest of 24 is Christ's answer. So right here establishes there shall be at the very least one sign but Christ gives us so much more than just one sign.
4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
You had better pay very close attention when Christ says take heed. He doesn't say these words in vain.
5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Many shall come? From whence do they come? How shall they deceive many? Are they ordinary men? Christ repeats this warning time after time and answers these questions. Why is it that Christ mentions this first? Is it the chronologically first event? No friend, it is mentioned first out of importance, when Christ says take heed you must be very careful. If its important to Christ, is it important to you? Now this, not only did Christ mention this first He repeats this warning SEVEN TIMES about satan and the fallen angels throughout Matthew 24 to even further emphasize its importance. He gives it unprecedented attention.
No mention of rapture yet.
6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
You can interpret this meaning these days when live in now if you want but it's the deadly wound the first beast of revelations receives. The one world government is falling apart. But He tells you don't be troubled of these things for if you are in the truth then He has a plan for you.
No mention of rapture yet.
7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
One world government is falling apart and begins to spiral into chaos. The famine of the endtimes is documented in the the minor prophets as being a famine for the word of the Lord taught true, not food.
No mention of rapture yet.
8All these are the beginning of sorrows.
This is when satan, that has been cast down from heaven, steps onto the world stage proclaiming to be God to deceive men. He will fix the broken one world government and brings his false peace and he will try to fix you. Christ comes to make war.
No mention of rapture yet.
9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Why shall they deliver you up? Why shall all the nations hate you? It's because the whole world is worshiping the fake and you refuse to bow to the fake.
No mention of rapture yet.
10And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
When you are brought up to deliver the testimony of God it shall rattle their little party.
No mention of rapture yet.
11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
The flood of lies have engulfed the entire world. Tells you again satan and his angelic minions will be here.
Documentation:(Christ speaking)
22For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
No mention of rapture yet.
12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Satan shall love this, for he wants as many as possible to die the death that he will.
No mention of rapture yet.
13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Endure to the end of these things friends, let no man deceive you into to thinking we will of flown away.
No mention of rapture yet.
14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
The gospel of truth, not one of false doctrines. Go and preach the gospel of Truth of His coming Kingdom friends. Let them know not to follow the fake that is coming first.
No mention of rapture yet.
15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
Nebuchadnezzar was a type of anti-Christ as the king of Babylon but satan is the true king of confusion.
Daniel 12:11-12 (King James Version)
11And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
Wait till the end of the abomination of desolation friend, don't follow the first to come, for satan is that desolator, standing where he ought nought.
No mention of rapture yet.
16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Just as Lot escaped, Christ is telling you friend how to make your escape. Have you not read Jerusalem in Revelations is spiritually is called Sodom in these last days? God is going to destroy her and then New Jerusalem comes down from heaven.
Compare:
Genesis 19
16And while he lingered, the men(angels of the Lord) laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the LORD being merciful unto him: and they brought him forth, and set him without the city.
17And it came to pass, when they had brought them forth abroad, that he said, Escape for thy life; look not behind thee, neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the mountain, lest thou be consumed.
The Lord shall provide, the wrath is not for His children.
No mention of rapture yet.
17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Why are we on the housetop? It's because we are watchmen and there is a great flood(of lies) in the land.
No mention of rapture yet.
18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Why not go back for your clothes? You won't need them friend, the time is so very near when you flee Judaea your next change of clothes will be white linen.
No mention of rapture yet.
19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Are you following closely? Did you notice the little change of article here? Now we are talking about a woe. You had better pay attention when Christ gives you a woe. Do you understand what Christ is telling us here? I have heard many absurd explanations from pastors as to the meaning of this.
Compare:
Luke 21
22For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
Do you really think God is going to punish people for being parents? God forbid. He's warning those that have already partaken in the spiritual wedding with the false christ. Those that are not spiritually virgins. His bride shall be a virgin, not with child! The Bridegroom returns from His long journey and finds His bride to be with a child? WOE
No mention of rapture yet.
20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
He just warned you not to run off in the winter or the sabbath. You'll be running right into the arms of the fake. When the true Day of Lord comes there is much work to do, not a rest day. Hope you're not lounging around in the bed of satan when He comes. Have you not read that when summer is nigh at hand so likewise the Kingdom of God is nigh at hand? The new year will come and there shall be no more winter, forever.
No mention of rapture yet.
21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
The prior verse just told you don't run off yet friend, because you're in the Great Tribulation and the true Christ hasn't come yet.
No mention of rapture yet.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Christ gives you a good example here of how powerful the deception will be and how careful you need to be.
No mention of rapture yet.
23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Is Christ talking to you in this verse friend? Of course He is!
Why not believe them friend, because they believe satan and his fallen angels are the Messiah.
But you don't believe friend, because you listened to the word of Christ.
No mention of rapture yet.
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Don't ever think Christ is talking about some phoney baloney that walks around this present day deceiving a few into thinking some man or a group of men are the second coming of Christ with his angels . This here documents these are angelic beings that shew great signs and wonders. Never in the history of man since Noahs flood has there been any beings, human or angelic, that have been able to decieve all of mankind in this manner, but those evil days come, friend.
Observe:
2 Thessalonians 2(Paul speaking)
8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9Even him[omitted], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
Satan will certainly have those supernatural abilities, friend.
No mention of rapture yet.
25Behold, I have told you before.
Satan and the fallen angels were the first thing He mentioned when the disciples asked Him the question in verse 3. Now He mentions it a third time to emphasize to you it's importance. He said I have told you before, when will you listen? How many times does He haft to repeat Himself? Shame on you when Christ tells you again and again and you will claim Christ wrote this not unto you because you will have been gone. Absurd.
No mention of rapture yet.
26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Thank you Christ for going out of your way to make this so abundantly clear. Praise the Son the God and bless those you call children who have ears to hear. Forever and ever. Amen
No mention of rapture yet.
27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
The entire world will be left in no doubt when our true Messiah arrives. We can't even fathom how bright the brightness of His coming shall be. Praise God. This is not a deception that satan will not be able to duplicate. Christ is telling us this as too how it shall be when He arrives opposed to how satan does, so there will be doubt.
No mention of rapture yet.
28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles(should read vultures) be gathered together.
Carcase= the body of satans spiritually dead fake church. Will you fly off to go die there friend?
No mention of rapture yet.
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Christ's coming shall be so bright it will make the sun look like a flashlight(flashlight part is not Biblical, LoL) It shall be so bright that the sun's light will appear dim.
Moon in prophecy pertains to satan. Satan was never the true light, he only reflected light and when Christ comes it's lights out for him. Stars= angels
No mention of rapture yet.
30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Praise God, the false is taken out of the way and our true husband is here, Praise the Son of God.
Rejoice virgins and those that stayed true to their first love, Blessed are you.
No mention of rapture yet.
31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Blow the seventh trump and the angels shall gather His bride, Praise the Lord of Hosts
No mention of rapture yet but rather our gathering together unto Christ, When are changed in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump.(Don't let anyone deceive into thinking there is a eighth or ninth trump, the seventh is the last. I refuse to call our gathering together unto Christ "rapture", firstly because it only adds confusion to the subject, secondly because of its dubious origins.)
32Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
For times sake I am going skip over the generation of the parable of the fig tree, for this can be a lengthy study in of itself, containing many passages. I do believe I will be starting a new thread in the near future to address this very parable. I've never heard any rapurist use these verses to support that false doctrine. I've seen stranger things though so if they want to hang there hat on these verses then I will address it immediately.
Follow the scripture closely here, Christ goes back, in verse 32, to the tribulation signs before "our gathering" mentioned in verse 31. He goes back because He loves us, to absolutely make we understand what's to happen and leave no doubt in the readers mind and further emphasize the importance the deception that will take place.
No rapture mentioned here.
35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
There shall never be any other Bible verse that shall conflict with His words taught here in Matthew 24. This is such a great teaching you can actually use it unlock all other endtimes prophecies and they will all naturally align perfectly with it.
No rapture mentioned here.
36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
This should let you know, good Christian, how important this special time in the world is to God. Not to be taken lightly. Don't listen to those who put dates on these things either, rather listen to a teacher who can discern the signs of the times. When the Great Tribulation begins, then we have the month, but not the day nor hour.
No rapture mentioned here.
M
MATTHEW 24 IN ITS ENTIRETY CONT.
37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
What happened in the days of Noah? The fallen angels were here on earth corrupting mankind, will you fall for their deception? They are very beautiful angelic beings, the whole world will whore after them. But not you friend, for you know the truth and stay a spiritual virgin.
No rapture mentioned here.
38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Will you be already married when Christ shows up for His bride? Of course not friend, you have the Truth.
No rapture mentioned here.
39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
They knew not because they didn't read the simplicity of Christ's teaching and thought those angelic beings were sent of God and that Christ was already here. When would one least likely to think Christ to come: If they already thought He was here.
No rapture mentioned here.
40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
OK, here comes the rapturist with his false doctrine and wants to forget everything Christ just taught them and beat his doctrine with a sledge hammer into the word of God, there is simply no place for it. The one taken is by the flood of lies from satans mouth. This is easy to document in Luke 21 and Mark 13. The rapurist can't let go of this so I will probably haft to go back to show them where they have erred and post the scripture for all to see, again. This is what happens when you grab a verse here and there and try to make doctrine. Oh how satan loves to use peoples errors concerning the word to perpetuate lies.
Without any doubt, No rapture mentioned here.
41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Don't take off and run to the fake, stay doing God's work and proclaiming the Truth.
Without any doubt, No rapture mentioned here.
42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
We know not the hour but we do know the signs, so you had better stay alert and watch for those signs, and not grow weary.
No rapture mentioned here.
43But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
You had better watch the WHOLE night through and don't fall off. night= satans reign; day= Day of the Lord
No rapture mentioned here.
44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Have oil in your lamp, He comes when most think He's already here.
No rapture mentioned here.
45Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
Can the Lord trust you to teach the Truth about the right season in the endtimes?
No rapture mentioned here.
46Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
Praise God Almighty, teach the Truth and make a stand against the anti-christ.
No rapture mentioned here.
47Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
A big responsibility.
No rapture mentioned here.
48But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
Hold the brakes friend, Christ's not done teaching. Some shall fall off right at the very end friend, what a shame, they almost made it. Pray it not be you friend and I pray it not be me.
No rapture mentioned here.
49And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
They folded under the pressure and have partaken in the ungodliness.
No rapture mentioned here.
50The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
Parable of the ten virgins. Though they did not partake in marrying and giving in marriage, they did eat and drank with the drunken.
No rapture mentioned here.
51And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
The door is shut, judgement shall be given. AMEN
Guess what friend? We're at the end and No rapture mentioned whatsoever.
Absolute travesty how one can say Christ never warned them of satan coming first, yet they will desperately try to make their false rapture align with Christ's teaching by pulling out a verse or two of Matthew 24 of proclaim the other 95% of the chapter doesn't pertain to them. Oh what a wicked lie satan has sown into the hearts of men, that they deny the truth and turn unto fables and doctrines of men. That lie shall never be told again in that Day and they shall know you are the Lord of the Most High and your throne shall reign forever and ever Amen
Note to reader:
The commentary in the above chapter is not to force the word of God toward any particular doctrine, but rather give a honest look at our gathering together unto Him. The commentary is only to help naturally guide the reader through the simplicity of Christ's teaching, nothing more.
M
sir i do not get why people dont listen to CHRIST. he tells the order of events in Mathew 24 it doesnt mention the Rapture. I tell you one thing MAN people are going to be in a rood awakining because the liyer lives on lies and this is the down Fall of the church how satan is going to sadduce eve(the bride of CHRIST the church) and CHRIST the second Adam is now waiting for his Virgin Bride. THe reason why i mention eve is because the end times is a replica of the garden of eden where eve the wife of adam was tempted and saduced by satan and he succeeded. at the end times the hour of temptation is for the bride of christ when the anti christ is going to be here to sadduce the church to worship him breaking the main one of the ten commandment do not worship no other god but me , and take the mark of the BEAST. hey guess what lie he going to ride in on; the rapture "everyboody gather up lets fly away, but you worship me first, youve took the mark " the rapture was made up by a women in 1830 and a little bit later they found her body murdered and stuffed in a barrel GOOGLE it.