Is It Possible To Backslide
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You do? Unbelief in what? lets get the context right here. I ever said unbelief in the gospel was covered.
I believe someone who does not believe and never repented was never saved (since repentance and faith is required for salvation)
So one can not get "cut off" if they have never been "grafted on" so to speak.
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If there was a cut off line, God would surely let us know. Because he is willing that none should perish, He is not going to leave it to chance that someone may miss the mark by an inch. when they could have examined themselves and made sure they made up that inch so not to be cut off.
lol.. God does not have to demand it, He said, If you do not have faith, you will not be saved period.
AGAIN. This is DIFFERENT than saying we trust God in every area of our life. WE SIN because we lack faith in areas of our life.
Moses too never made it into the promised land because he too disobeyed God - which is unbelief in what He said. Where is Moses today? in hell? - no...of course not.
God supernaturally took care of the Israelites the whole time in the wilderness even though they dis-obeyed Him through unbelief and didn't think they could enter into the promised land.
The lesson here is - God can still provide for us supernaturally in our un-belief and we will continue to circle in the wilderness of life but we will not inherit the full measure of what is promised unless we fully believe all that the Lord has said concerning Jesus' work on the cross and resurrection.
The promised land is a type or picture of the believer resting in Christ and it is NOT a picture of "going to heaven". There are no giants to fight in heaven.
Here on this earth - we too have giants to fight - the flesh with the law of sin in it - our enemy that is constantly trying to deceive us and the world's system - relying on the world's way of doing things instead of what God does for us in Christ.
God said that He left the giants in the promised land so that they would rely on Him - so too..God left us in the flesh and cut away the inner man in Christ - the new creation so that the excellency of the power would be clearly be seen to be of Him.
God supernaturally took care of the Israelites the whole time in the wilderness even though they dis-obeyed Him through unbelief and didn't think they could enter into the promised land.
The lesson here is - God can still provide for us supernaturally in our un-belief and we will continue to circle in the wilderness of life but we will not inherit the full measure of what is promised unless we fully believe all that the Lord has said concerning Jesus' work on the cross and resurrection.
The promised land is a type or picture of the believer resting in Christ and it is NOT a picture of "going to heaven". There are no giants to fight in heaven.
Here on this earth - we too have giants to fight - the flesh with the law of sin in it - our enemy that is constantly trying to deceive us and the world's system - relying on the world's way of doing things instead of what God does for us in Christ.
God said that He left the giants in the promised land so that they would rely on Him - so too..God left us in the flesh and cut away the inner man in Christ - the new creation so that the excellency of the power would be clearly be seen to be of Him.
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Once a person believes into Jesus the following applies........
New Living Translation
If we are unfaithful, he remains faithful, for he cannot deny who he is.
English Standard Version
if we are faithless, he remains faithful— for he cannot deny himself.
Berean Study Bible
if we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.
Berean Literal Bible
if we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He is not able to deny Himself.
New American Standard Bible
If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.
King James Bible
If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
The following scriptures are clear.....once faith is exercised the following truth applies...
New Living Translation
If we are unfaithful, he remains faithful, for he cannot deny who he is.
English Standard Version
if we are faithless, he remains faithful— for he cannot deny himself.
Berean Study Bible
if we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.
Berean Literal Bible
if we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He is not able to deny Himself.
New American Standard Bible
If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.
King James Bible
If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
New Living Translation
If we are unfaithful, he remains faithful, for he cannot deny who he is.
English Standard Version
if we are faithless, he remains faithful— for he cannot deny himself.
Berean Study Bible
if we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.
Berean Literal Bible
if we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He is not able to deny Himself.
New American Standard Bible
If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.
King James Bible
If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
a) They had applied the blood by faith and had been spared the death of the firstborn (blood applied by faith a pic of Jesus)
b) They had been delivered from Egypt (a picture of sin and the bondage of sin)
c) They had the picture of immersion applied collectively (red sea)
d) They were forced to wonder in the wilderness because of the sin of unbelief about being able to take the land
The latter had nothing to do with the former......like the Prodigal son, David, the one cut loose for the destruction of the flesh, like those workers who have wood, hay and stubble.......their salvation was secure from EGYPT (SIN and the bondage of sin) yet their physical lives lacked the peace and rest that comes for obedience to the word. They were CHASTIZED in the wilderness just as many believers are this day as well......David paid the price physically, and had the sword in his house all the days of his life due to his rebellion and sin...All four mentioned above never lost their eternal salvation, yet failed to enter into the rest that can be found in this present life due to obedience.....
b) They had been delivered from Egypt (a picture of sin and the bondage of sin)
c) They had the picture of immersion applied collectively (red sea)
d) They were forced to wonder in the wilderness because of the sin of unbelief about being able to take the land
The latter had nothing to do with the former......like the Prodigal son, David, the one cut loose for the destruction of the flesh, like those workers who have wood, hay and stubble.......their salvation was secure from EGYPT (SIN and the bondage of sin) yet their physical lives lacked the peace and rest that comes for obedience to the word. They were CHASTIZED in the wilderness just as many believers are this day as well......David paid the price physically, and had the sword in his house all the days of his life due to his rebellion and sin...All four mentioned above never lost their eternal salvation, yet failed to enter into the rest that can be found in this present life due to obedience.....
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The best lies have mostly truth in them. The serpent taught us how easy it is to take truth, add something to it, and get what you want out of the deal.
The second someone starts preaching something that's close, but with a little difference, I stop trusting that person as a source. I doubt I would have read a whole pamphlet by Fox. I'm too easy on slipping away from full truth. lol
The second someone starts preaching something that's close, but with a little difference, I stop trusting that person as a source. I doubt I would have read a whole pamphlet by Fox. I'm too easy on slipping away from full truth. lol
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First of all none of us are perfect. Jesus is the only one to never sin. Once you get born again your desire to sin should no longer be there, but however we are all born with a sin nature. When you become a Christian God gives you a new spirit. You're no longer a child of Satan but a Child of God. If it wasn't for God's grace we would all be in hell. I'm so glad that we serve a God that loves me and understands me like no one ever could. People need to understand that's it is never about us. It's all about God's grace and mercy. God loved us so much that he gave Jesus to die for us to redeem us and make us to have right relationship with the Heavenly Father. I'm so glad that Jesus saved me and filled me with the Holy Ghost and changed my life and made it better. To God be the Glory.
1. God forgives our sins if we repent 1John1:9
2. God's love John 3:16-17,Romans5:8
3.without faith you can't please the Lord Hebrews Chapter 11
4. no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus Romans 8:1-2
5. But ye shall receive power after the Holy Ghost has come upon you, and you shall be witnesses in Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria, and the uttermost parts of the world Acts 1:8
6. God gives us victory over Satan Isaiah 54:17, Revelations 12:11, Romans8:37
7. if you love the Lord things will work out for your good Romans8:28
To God be the Glory
Preacha24-7 Evangelist to the Streets (Street Ministry)
1. God forgives our sins if we repent 1John1:9
2. God's love John 3:16-17,Romans5:8
3.without faith you can't please the Lord Hebrews Chapter 11
4. no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus Romans 8:1-2
5. But ye shall receive power after the Holy Ghost has come upon you, and you shall be witnesses in Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria, and the uttermost parts of the world Acts 1:8
6. God gives us victory over Satan Isaiah 54:17, Revelations 12:11, Romans8:37
7. if you love the Lord things will work out for your good Romans8:28
To God be the Glory
Preacha24-7 Evangelist to the Streets (Street Ministry)
This is in response to your last post but by way of this one.
You say there is a huge difference between trusting God to save you versus trusting Him in an area.
To me, this is saying, you trust Him for the big thing but maybe not the little things.
To trust on some and not trust on other areas is to me to be double minded.
And I do not trust myself and I believe that I am easily lulled into thinking this is acceptable somehow, when really, it is opposite of what He said - that a man faithful (believing) in little things and little matters will be faithful with more. And that if we aren't faithful in a small, temporal thing like money and provision, He can't even tell us of heavenly things. We have stumbled over the small thing and stopped.
So it appears to my mind that what is being said is that it is unforgivable to not believe Him for eternal life but it is forgivable to not believe Him in smaller things He has said. Which is to say the opposite of His words I gave above.
So I see a problem and no man who defends it has been able to explain away the problem for me, even the few I have met who don't despise me for seeing the problem and who have talked with me for many pleasant hours instead of dismissing me in arrogance.
God says believe in My Son. The doctrine says only believe for eternal life but in smaller things be double minded if you must because the rest is just small areas of not as great importance.
But really, I was just trying to answer dc as to why I made an observation about Saul that fit with the conversation. Then it morphed into this.
You say there is a huge difference between trusting God to save you versus trusting Him in an area.
To me, this is saying, you trust Him for the big thing but maybe not the little things.
To trust on some and not trust on other areas is to me to be double minded.
And I do not trust myself and I believe that I am easily lulled into thinking this is acceptable somehow, when really, it is opposite of what He said - that a man faithful (believing) in little things and little matters will be faithful with more. And that if we aren't faithful in a small, temporal thing like money and provision, He can't even tell us of heavenly things. We have stumbled over the small thing and stopped.
So it appears to my mind that what is being said is that it is unforgivable to not believe Him for eternal life but it is forgivable to not believe Him in smaller things He has said. Which is to say the opposite of His words I gave above.
So I see a problem and no man who defends it has been able to explain away the problem for me, even the few I have met who don't despise me for seeing the problem and who have talked with me for many pleasant hours instead of dismissing me in arrogance.
God says believe in My Son. The doctrine says only believe for eternal life but in smaller things be double minded if you must because the rest is just small areas of not as great importance.
But really, I was just trying to answer dc as to why I made an observation about Saul that fit with the conversation. Then it morphed into this.
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Do you still sin? If you do, Why do you still sin? Why do you LACK faith in God in that area of your life?
You still have the passage posted earlier, Even when we are FAITHLESS, he is faithfull.
Being faithful in little things HELPS us learn to trust in LARGER things, It does not mean we TRUST in ALL THINGS.
again, If you trust God in all things, why do you still sin? Or have you converted to sinlessless?
I see a problem to. But will not get into that here..
was somethign I felt needed to be further explained. (this is a discussion forum)
There is a difference between trusting God to SAVE YOU, and trusting God to take care of your every need. If not, we would all be sinless.. We sin, because we Lack faith IN AREAS.
Backsliding pertains only to sanctification not to salvation.
God saves us not we ourselves doing the saving. Since we are saved we begin the journey of sanctification. Sacrificing self for our Savior Christ. The new creature created in us by the Holy Spirit cannot ever perish. We live in a tabernacle of flesh that can never be fully sanctified until it is glorified by Christ at our death.
The peace we have in Christ is due in part to the knowledge that we can never die. We need not fear losing our salvation because even when we are not faithful Jesus is faithful.
I love Jesus because He first loved me.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
God saves us not we ourselves doing the saving. Since we are saved we begin the journey of sanctification. Sacrificing self for our Savior Christ. The new creature created in us by the Holy Spirit cannot ever perish. We live in a tabernacle of flesh that can never be fully sanctified until it is glorified by Christ at our death.
The peace we have in Christ is due in part to the knowledge that we can never die. We need not fear losing our salvation because even when we are not faithful Jesus is faithful.
I love Jesus because He first loved me.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Wonderful!!! Now we can use the OT as evidence cause all three of you have.
Soooo..... are you gonna throw it back out before this day is over, or are you gonna wait until tomorrow?!?
Soooo..... are you gonna throw it back out before this day is over, or are you gonna wait until tomorrow?!?
Nothing really useful to say, ( you did not even respond to any point I made) Just attack or mock others.
Why do you even bother?
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No, what I meant is they were killed before they had a chance to start coming back to church.
I was a prodigal son for 5 years.. I am lucky ot be alive, and have made it back. But if I died before I made it back because of something I did then I have no doubt where I would spend eternity. Because it was never on me, but on God.