What causes God to hide his face?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Mar 7, 2016
4,678
24
0
That's a good question and probably so I mean who would kill another person if not being tricked by demons..
i seariously feel gOD WOULD NOT SAY KILL THEM ALL as what was written in the bible by samuel and dont spare the infants thats just sick in my book and not the word of a great protecter
 
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,402
113
is it possible that saul was being tricked by demons and maybe samuel was a false profit
Paul speaks to this and states that he was serving God ignorantly...I.E. he had no clue...his Pharisee(ism), unbelief and ignorance of the scriptures led him to erroneously do the things he had been doing......

English Standard Version
though formerly I was a blasphemer, persecutor, and insolent opponent. But I received mercy because I had acted ignorantly in unbelief,

Berean Study Bible
I was formerly a blasphemer, a persecutor, and a violent man; yet because I had acted in ignorance and unbelief, I was shown mercy.

Berean Literal Bible
being formerly a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and insolent; but I was shown mercy, because I did it in unbelief, being ignorant.

New American Standard Bible
even though I was formerly a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent aggressor. Yet I was shown mercy because I acted ignorantly in unbelief;

King James Bible
Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
 
A

Ariel82

Guest
lol lets look at facts then
???

Facts:

1. Found a few people who wanted to study with me on the topic.

2. More who had a habit of misunderstanding what is being said (assuming or making false inferences of others beliefs and responding according to their mistaken beliefs)

3. Other who want to talk about other side topics.

I prefer 1.tolerate 3 and dislike 2.

So which one do you want to be?
 
A

Ariel82

Guest
Paul speaks to this and states that he was serving God ignorantly...I.E. he had no clue...his Pharisee(ism), unbelief and ignorance of the scriptures led him to erroneously do the things he had been doing......

English Standard Version
though formerly I was a blasphemer, persecutor, and insolent opponent. But I received mercy because I had acted ignorantly in unbelief,

Berean Study Bible
I was formerly a blasphemer, a persecutor, and a violent man; yet because I had acted in ignorance and unbelief, I was shown mercy.

Berean Literal Bible
being formerly a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and insolent; but I was shown mercy, because I did it in unbelief, being ignorant.

New American Standard Bible
even though I was formerly a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent aggressor. Yet I was shown mercy because I acted ignorantly in unbelief;

King James Bible
Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
I believe the Bible would have told us if Saul was demonically possessed, wouldn't it?
 
A

Ariel82

Guest
i seariously feel gOD WOULD NOT SAY KILL THEM ALL as what was written in the bible by samuel and dont spare the infants thats just sick in my book and not the word of a great protecter
So you want to toss all the books written by the prophet Samuel? Any other books in the Bible you don't like?
 

1ofthem

Senior Member
Mar 30, 2016
3,729
1,921
113
Paul speaks to this and states that he was serving God ignorantly...I.E. he had no clue...his Pharisee(ism), unbelief and ignorance of the scriptures led him to erroneously do the things he had been doing......

English Standard Version
though formerly I was a blasphemer, persecutor, and insolent opponent. But I received mercy because I had acted ignorantly in unbelief,

Berean Study Bible
I was formerly a blasphemer, a persecutor, and a violent man; yet because I had acted in ignorance and unbelief, I was shown mercy.

Berean Literal Bible
being formerly a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and insolent; but I was shown mercy, because I did it in unbelief, being ignorant.

New American Standard Bible
even though I was formerly a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent aggressor. Yet I was shown mercy because I acted ignorantly in unbelief;

King James Bible
Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
Good point. Even though he was a sinner and blasphemer Jesus still shown himself to him so that he could be saved and learn the error of his ways.

He didn't just hide his face from him and leave him in darkness. He went looking for him just like he goes looking for all sinners.
 
B

BeyondET

Guest
Paul speaks to this and states that he was serving God ignorantly...I.E. he had no clue...his Pharisee(ism), unbelief and ignorance of the scriptures led him to erroneously do the things he had been doing......

English Standard Version
though formerly I was a blasphemer, persecutor, and insolent opponent. But I received mercy because I had acted ignorantly in unbelief,

Berean Study Bible
I was formerly a blasphemer, a persecutor, and a violent man; yet because I had acted in ignorance and unbelief, I was shown mercy.

Berean Literal Bible
being formerly a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and insolent; but I was shown mercy, because I did it in unbelief, being ignorant.

New American Standard Bible
even though I was formerly a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent aggressor. Yet I was shown mercy because I acted ignorantly in unbelief;

King James Bible
Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
I guess it was good that God showed himself to Paul before he got to out of hand.
 
B

BeyondET

Guest
Good point. Even though he was a sinner and blasphemer Jesus still shown himself to him so that he could be saved and learn the error of his ways.

He didn't just hide his face from him and leave him in darkness. He went looking for him just like he goes looking for all sinners.
lol we must have been typing at the same time.. :)
 
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,402
113
I believe the Bible would have told us if Saul was demonically possessed, wouldn't it?
One would think...as it does the others that are possessed.....such as the man on the tombs and the one who the disciples of Jesus could not handle........
 
B

BeyondET

Guest
???

Facts:

1. Found a few people who wanted to study with me on the topic.

2. More who had a habit of misunderstanding what is being said (assuming or making false inferences of others beliefs and responding according to their mistaken beliefs)

3. Other who want to talk about other side topics.

I prefer 1.tolerate 3 and dislike 2.

So which one do you want to be?
Your way or the highway huh.. Don't mean to be negative but that sure is a negative statement..
 
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,402
113
Good point. Even though he was a sinner and blasphemer Jesus still shown himself to him so that he could be saved and learn the error of his ways.

He didn't just hide his face from him and leave him in darkness. He went looking for him just like he goes looking for all sinners.
Yes indeed....mercy, grace and unconditional love.......
 
A

Ariel82

Guest
Good point. Even though he was a sinner and blasphemer Jesus still shown himself to him so that he could be saved and learn the error of his ways.

He didn't just hide his face from him and leave him in darkness. He went looking for him just like he goes looking for all sinners.
No God didn't hide His face. He blinded Saul for 3 days.

I am just going to accept the fact we have different definitions on what it means for God to hide His face.
 
Mar 7, 2016
4,678
24
0
So you want to toss all the books written by the prophet Samuel? Any other books in the Bible you don't like?
no i want to stand on top of a building and pant my chest like king kong :) chuckle chuckle
 
Nov 22, 2015
20,436
1,431
0
Originally Posted by JIMBO43



@ariel82 hmm sorry am i stupid or did you just ask this question so you could rant :D


I asked it so I could look at scriptures with like minded folks who wanted to study what it meant.

I agree...all your OP's purposes are for others to talk about them - never to rant.

People may have a different view but I would never say there is any malice in any of your OP's. They always are for our good in your mind - of that I am fully persuaded.
 

1ofthem

Senior Member
Mar 30, 2016
3,729
1,921
113
No God didn't hide His face. He blinded Saul for 3 days.

I am just going to accept the fact we have different definitions on what it means for God to hide His face.
Sometimes he has to blind us to get our attention and make us see... He may have to chastise us or bring us down in order to get our attention...
I don't think that means he is hiding his face from us.
 
Mar 7, 2016
4,678
24
0
???

Facts:

1. Found a few people who wanted to study with me on the topic.

2. More who had a habit of misunderstanding what is being said (assuming or making false inferences of others beliefs and responding according to their mistaken beliefs)

3. Other who want to talk about other side topics.

I prefer 1.tolerate 3 and dislike 2.

So which one do you want to be?
seariously im on the fence all tho i could be persuaded to come down i may jump and break my neck in stead
 
A

Ariel82

Guest
no i want to stand on top of a building and pant my chest like king kong :) chuckle chuckle
Have you spoken to a doctor or pastor?

We will continue to keep you in our prayers.
 
Mar 7, 2016
4,678
24
0
Originally Posted by JIMBO43



@ariel82 hmm sorry am i stupid or did you just ask this question so you could rant :D




I agree...all your OP's purposes are for others to talk about them - never to rant.

People may have a different view but I would never say there is any malice in any of your OP's. They always are for our good in your mind - of that I am fully persuaded.
nope it is better to light a candle than to curse in the darkness