Interesting truths in the bible. No seven years of tribulation in the bible, it is an assumed idea. No pre-trib gathering of the church in the bible, it is an assumed idea. No tribulation that is the wrath of God, it is assumed idea. The church is not described past Rev 4, that is an assumed idea. No invisible return of Christ seen only by Christians, it is a assumed idea. No Antichrist making a seven year covenant with Israel, it is an assumed idea. No description of the Jews building a temple of God before the end of the age, it is an assumed idea. As one can see, a lot of beliefs are built on assumptions rather then established literal in context scripture.
How long is the tribulation?
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Obviously, you have not studied enough to understand then. Because scripture is clear that the wrath of God is coming and must take place in during that seven year period. If you had studied the OT prophets prophesies regarding the day of the Lord, as well as the plagues of wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, you would have an understanding of God's coming wrath. But, if you symbolize or allegorize those plagues of wrath, then you distort the severity of that coming wrath.
Regarding this time of wrath for Israel and the inhabitants of the earth, Jesus said that it would be a time of great tribulation such as the world has not seen, from the beginning of creation, until now and never to be equaled again. So bad will it be that, if the it was allowed to go on any longer than the specified time, no one would be left alive on the earth. Regarding this, we have false teachers watering down God's coming wrath, and assigning those seals, trumpets and bowl judgment as finding fulfillment in past historical events. They have no idea of the severity and magnitude of God's coming wrath.
None of those things that you mention above are assumed, but are scriptural. You make them assumed, because you have adopted false teachings and now you protect them. You will know the truth when you see that the church has been removed and when you see some political leader who has made a seven year agreement with Israel, which will allow them to build their temple. On that day you will realize that you were deceived and that what we have been proclaiming to you was the truth.
Regarding this time of wrath for Israel and the inhabitants of the earth, Jesus said that it would be a time of great tribulation such as the world has not seen, from the beginning of creation, until now and never to be equaled again. So bad will it be that, if the it was allowed to go on any longer than the specified time, no one would be left alive on the earth. Regarding this, we have false teachers watering down God's coming wrath, and assigning those seals, trumpets and bowl judgment as finding fulfillment in past historical events. They have no idea of the severity and magnitude of God's coming wrath.
None of those things that you mention above are assumed, but are scriptural. You make them assumed, because you have adopted false teachings and now you protect them. You will know the truth when you see that the church has been removed and when you see some political leader who has made a seven year agreement with Israel, which will allow them to build their temple. On that day you will realize that you were deceived and that what we have been proclaiming to you was the truth.
Do you understand that Jesus carefully DESCRIBED the tribulation in Matt 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21? God does not require you to come up with what you think may happen in the tribulation period...Jesus Himself described it for us. One of the main components of the tribulation is the great persecution against Christians. If the tribulation is the wrath of God, and the tribulation is the time of great persecution against Christians, then that would mean that God was persecuting His own people...does that make sense to you? Look at the context, Jesus was speaking of a world wide persecution against believers in Jesus when He said that God would shorten the days or else "no flesh" would be saved...think, the "flesh" that God intervenes to save are the ones being killed world wide...THE CHRISTIANS.
Nope,,,,,,Just read and believe in the WORD of GOD...I do not put words in his mouth nor do I change anything to fit my beliefs.
He (God) designed, wrote and inspired it to be written with 66 different books, by 40+ authors over a period of 2500 years.
Yes, I can and do interpret the Bible to some extend. I still study it about 4-6 hours per day and keep finding things that I have missed or just plain read over. Yet, when I find something of that nature, it does not change the picture in most cases but rather gives a better insight as to what He is saying to us.
I have found that most people who change (college kids that were raised in church) 66% of them lose that by the time they get out of college. Why,,,,because their lifestyle changes and to keep from sinning as they were taught, they make the Word of God 'Include' them and their sins.
Yes, well first you have to understand what each one is saying and where they are coming from (lifes point of view).
Instead of me telling you, here is an article I found some time ago. Read it very carefully and apply it lessons to those rose colored glasses of yours
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"Q: Why Are There Four Gospels?
A: Each of the four Gospels presents Jesus Christ from a different point of emphasis.
Matthew
Matthew, being a Levite, emphasizes Jesus as the Messiah, the Lion of the Tribe of Judah. Each of the subtleties of his design supports this primary theme. His genealogy begins with the "first Jew," Abraham, and continues through David and the royal line to the legal father of Jesus, Joseph.
Matthew's emphasis is on the fulfillment of the prophecies of the Tenach, the Old Testament.
As a customs official, Matthew was skilled in shorthand, an essential asset in a culture that did not have the advantages of printing, copiers, and the like. Matthew focuses on what Jesus said, and includes the extensive discourses, which he probably was able to take down verbatim.
Matthew's first miracle is the cleansing of a leper, a Jewish metaphor for sin itself. Matthew concludes with the resurrection, also a distinctive Jewish preoccupation.
Luke
Luke was a Gentile and a doctor, and his Gospel reflects a very distinctive point of view, emphasizing Jesus as the Son of Man. His genealogy begins with Adam, the first man. From Abraham to David, his list is identical to that of Matthew. However, when he gets to David, he doesn't track through Solomon (the first surviving son of Bathsheba) but through a different son, Nathan (the second surviving son of Bathsheba). He continues through to Heli, the father of Mary. (Joseph is the son-in-law of Heli). 1 As a Gentile, Luke's emphasis is different. His emphasis is Christ's humanity; he focuses on what Jesus felt. His first miracle is the expulsion of a demon, a very human concern. Luke concludes with the promise of the giving of the Holy Spirit, which is a natural bridge to his subsequent volume, The Book of Acts .
Mark
Mark is the amanuensis (secretary) for Peter, and he emphasizes Jesus as the obedient Servant of YHWH. His is the only Gospel with no concern for pedigree or genealogy. He focuses on what Jesus did ; it deals in graphic images, almost like a movie or video shooting script. Mark concludes with the final visual appearance, the Ascension.
John
John had a very distinctive view, emphasizing Jesus as the Son of God. He focuses on who Jesus was . His "genealogy" is that of the Preexistent One, constituting his opening verses. His Gospel is organized around seven miracles, seven discourses, and seven "I AM" statements.
John's first miracle involves the use of the water of purification being changed to wine at Cana, a private demonstration to the disciples that Jesus was preeminent even over the Levitical priesthood. John concludes with the promise of Jesus' return, and becomes the appropriate prequel to John's final tome, The Revelation ."
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Instead of me telling you, here is an article I found some time ago. Read it very carefully and apply it lessons to those rose colored glasses of yours
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"Q: Why Are There Four Gospels?
A: Each of the four Gospels presents Jesus Christ from a different point of emphasis.
Matthew
Matthew, being a Levite, emphasizes Jesus as the Messiah, the Lion of the Tribe of Judah. Each of the subtleties of his design supports this primary theme. His genealogy begins with the "first Jew," Abraham, and continues through David and the royal line to the legal father of Jesus, Joseph.
Matthew's emphasis is on the fulfillment of the prophecies of the Tenach, the Old Testament.
As a customs official, Matthew was skilled in shorthand, an essential asset in a culture that did not have the advantages of printing, copiers, and the like. Matthew focuses on what Jesus said, and includes the extensive discourses, which he probably was able to take down verbatim.
Matthew's first miracle is the cleansing of a leper, a Jewish metaphor for sin itself. Matthew concludes with the resurrection, also a distinctive Jewish preoccupation.
Luke
Luke was a Gentile and a doctor, and his Gospel reflects a very distinctive point of view, emphasizing Jesus as the Son of Man. His genealogy begins with Adam, the first man. From Abraham to David, his list is identical to that of Matthew. However, when he gets to David, he doesn't track through Solomon (the first surviving son of Bathsheba) but through a different son, Nathan (the second surviving son of Bathsheba). He continues through to Heli, the father of Mary. (Joseph is the son-in-law of Heli). 1 As a Gentile, Luke's emphasis is different. His emphasis is Christ's humanity; he focuses on what Jesus felt. His first miracle is the expulsion of a demon, a very human concern. Luke concludes with the promise of the giving of the Holy Spirit, which is a natural bridge to his subsequent volume, The Book of Acts .
Mark
Mark is the amanuensis (secretary) for Peter, and he emphasizes Jesus as the obedient Servant of YHWH. His is the only Gospel with no concern for pedigree or genealogy. He focuses on what Jesus did ; it deals in graphic images, almost like a movie or video shooting script. Mark concludes with the final visual appearance, the Ascension.
John
John had a very distinctive view, emphasizing Jesus as the Son of God. He focuses on who Jesus was . His "genealogy" is that of the Preexistent One, constituting his opening verses. His Gospel is organized around seven miracles, seven discourses, and seven "I AM" statements.
John's first miracle involves the use of the water of purification being changed to wine at Cana, a private demonstration to the disciples that Jesus was preeminent even over the Levitical priesthood. John concludes with the promise of Jesus' return, and becomes the appropriate prequel to John's final tome, The Revelation ."
**."Koinonia House-Resource Center..."
Noooooooo ---- because, his interpretation does not have the 'he' of Daniel 9:27 setting up any kind of abomination...
Why? Because, in the context of that passage of scripture, the 'he' is not setting up any kind of abomination...
Why? Because, in the context of that passage of scripture, the 'he' is not setting up any kind of abomination...
Daniel 9:27 (KJV)
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
I take it that the he is the one you are talking about. The sentence uses an and to show us it is connected to the first part and all the other parts are connected tot he first part as well.
he whoever that is (and you say it is Jesus) does the whole passage. OR I guess we can add faulty word structure to your reasoning here as well.
Well your partially right...... Jesus does come the 2nd time and set up a 1000 year millennium in which He reigns with an Iron Fist. He actually tells us this....or is this to a parable.....
The new heaven and the earth is set up at the White Throne Judgement by God the Father. Here Satan will be thrown alive in the "Lake of Fire" where the Antichrist and the False Prophet are awaiting for him.
Then a New heaven and New earth will be made and the New Jerusalem will descend out of the 3rd heaven to earth were we will live with Him and He will live with us as our God....Hallelujah[/B]
I think it has more of a spiritual connotation.. God shortens the days of tribulation because the deception is so great that many are deceived, even His very Elect if possible (Matthew 24:24). Christians aren't literally being killed, but dying spiritually when they accept the anti-Christ.. I believe Jesus was speaking about his apostles and the earlier church when he said; "Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake" (Matthew 24:9).
Hello Dan58,
Do you really believe that it is more of a spiritual connotation? With just the 4th seal and the 6th trumpet combined, a fourth and a third respectively, and based on 7 billion people, that would equal approx. 4.5 billion fatalities according to those percentages.
At the opening of the 4th seal, Death and Hades are give authority over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine, disease and by the wild beasts of the earth. At the sounding of the 6th trumpet, those four angels who are released gather a demonic army of 200 million who kill a third of the inhabitants of the earth. These will be literal fatalities brought about by God's plagues of wrath. This does not include the fatalities that will result from trumpets 1, 2 and 3 nor from the seven bowl judgments. This is not spiritual language here, but is speaking about literal deaths that will occur during the time of God's wrath. Below is a prophecy regarding the time of God's wrath, as prophesied by Zephaniah:
Do you really believe that it is more of a spiritual connotation? With just the 4th seal and the 6th trumpet combined, a fourth and a third respectively, and based on 7 billion people, that would equal approx. 4.5 billion fatalities according to those percentages.
At the opening of the 4th seal, Death and Hades are give authority over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine, disease and by the wild beasts of the earth. At the sounding of the 6th trumpet, those four angels who are released gather a demonic army of 200 million who kill a third of the inhabitants of the earth. These will be literal fatalities brought about by God's plagues of wrath. This does not include the fatalities that will result from trumpets 1, 2 and 3 nor from the seven bowl judgments. This is not spiritual language here, but is speaking about literal deaths that will occur during the time of God's wrath. Below is a prophecy regarding the time of God's wrath, as prophesied by Zephaniah:
I will sweep away everything from the face of the earth, When I destroy all mankind on the face of the earth, declares the Lord.I will sweep away both man and beast; I will sweep away the birds in the
sky and the fish in the sea—and the idols that cause the wicked to stumble. When I destroy all mankind on the face of the earth,"
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It is how I belivee we can understand a parable.
Apply it to the parable below.What is the spirutl understanding. How would it relate to the gospel or do we drink the literal blood of Christ, as informed in John 6 as the the Catholics say?
And David was then in an hold, and the garrison of the Philistines was then in Bethlehem.And David longed, and said, Oh that one would give me drink of the water of the well of Bethlehem, which is by the gate! And the three mighty men brake through the host of the Philistines, and drew water out of the well of Bethlehem, that was by the gate, and took it, and brought it to David: nevertheless he would not drink thereof, but poured it out unto the LORD.
And he said, Be it far from me, O LORD, that I should do this: is not this the blood of the men that went in jeopardy of their lives? therefore he would not drink it. These things did these three mighty men.2Sa 23:17
Did not Christ in jeopardy of His own life perform the work ?
Apply it to the parable below.What is the spirutl understanding. How would it relate to the gospel or do we drink the literal blood of Christ, as informed in John 6 as the the Catholics say?
And David was then in an hold, and the garrison of the Philistines was then in Bethlehem.And David longed, and said, Oh that one would give me drink of the water of the well of Bethlehem, which is by the gate! And the three mighty men brake through the host of the Philistines, and drew water out of the well of Bethlehem, that was by the gate, and took it, and brought it to David: nevertheless he would not drink thereof, but poured it out unto the LORD.
And he said, Be it far from me, O LORD, that I should do this: is not this the blood of the men that went in jeopardy of their lives? therefore he would not drink it. These things did these three mighty men.2Sa 23:17
Did not Christ in jeopardy of His own life perform the work ?
I think that passage goes back to AD 67 when Rome surrounded Jerusalem. This was the last time there was a temple. Rome had surrounded the city about 3.5 years before they final broke through and destroyed the temple. The city itself was completely burned to the ground and every stone of every building in the city, including the foundation, was removed. According to Josephus, had you lived in Jerusalem before then came back after, you wouldn't even know you were there. The entire place looked like a desolate wilderness. All trees were cut down, all gardens destroyed. The only thing left was the Roman fortress, Antonia and three towers as evidence of Rome's victory.
The destruction and desolation of Jerusalem in AD 70 totally fulfilled this passage:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Never before or after was a country so completely destroyed. Israel ceased from being a nation and one could not tell it ever existed. 1.1 million Jews were killed, the rest were taken captive and forced to destroy their own city. After this, they were taken to Rome in chains and forced to march behind Titus' column.
The Christian church, which was located south of the Temple complex on Mount Zion, miraculously escaped during a brief withdraw when Nero died. They fled over the mountains to the east then north up the Jordan River Valley and many settled in Pella. From there they settled into the various nations.
The destruction and desolation of Jerusalem in AD 70 totally fulfilled this passage:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Never before or after was a country so completely destroyed. Israel ceased from being a nation and one could not tell it ever existed. 1.1 million Jews were killed, the rest were taken captive and forced to destroy their own city. After this, they were taken to Rome in chains and forced to march behind Titus' column.
The Christian church, which was located south of the Temple complex on Mount Zion, miraculously escaped during a brief withdraw when Nero died. They fled over the mountains to the east then north up the Jordan River Valley and many settled in Pella. From there they settled into the various nations.
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One needs to put in time in bible study, however it is HOW we study the bible that counts, it is vital that we love truth above everything else. Your example of why there are four gospels is interesting, however the truth is that we do not KNOW why there are four gospels...that whole scenario was speculation which is different then established truth.
Revelation 12:5-6 KJV
And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
[6] And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
When did the woman flee into the wilderness?
And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
[6] And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
When did the woman flee into the wilderness?
