I Will Spew Thee Out of My Mouth
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Amen to that! Then it gets revealed to us by the Holy Spirit witnessing to our spirit that in our flesh there is a capacity to feel our own tendencies to do the very same things those people we loath have done or are doing!
He does this not to condemn us but to point us to who we NOW ARE IN Christ.,convicting us of "righteousness" so we can begin learning to walk it out free of any and all condemnation.
I've progressively been learning that in fact;, it's for that very reason His righteousness is a gift we could never earn or could ever sustain. It stands on its own without our help.
The only way I see the victory is looking to Jesus gift of righteousness and reminding myself how He knew how we needed it and how we never deserved it but got it gifted to us anyway. Now I lean heavy on this imputed righteousness freely given and so needed.
I can claim this only by grace through faith. Because without this gift that will last for as long as Jesus is alive., we would not be righteous. And this kind of thinking actually lifts Jesus higher in our hearts, giving Him the credit for our righteous position that is due Him., and Jesus is glorified in us for the so great a salvation we have today and for whatever good we do it will be because of Him.
yaaay thank You Jesus!!
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32“Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near; 33so, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door. 34“Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. 35“Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
Here is another view of Rev. 3:15. Sometimes I like to use this website as it tackles different questions on scripture and it has questions that people ask at the bottom of the article that helps me out anyway - because we usually have similar questions.
Are You Lukewarm?
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Here’s a favorite question of some preachers: “Are you a lukewarm believer?” You’d better have a good answer because if you’re not sure – “Am I lukewarm?” – Jesus may spew you out of his mouth.
What does that mean? He’ll reject you, you apathetic Christian! You may think you’re saved, but if you’re not on fire for God, you’ll end up in the fire!
What diabolical nonsense.
First, you are a part of Christ’s body and Jesus doesn’t spew out body parts. Ever vomited up a kidney? A toe? It’s a ridiculous notion, yet this is exactly what the fearmongers say will happen!
Second, being lukewarm has nothing to do with how enthusiastic you are. When I was a young man, free from the responsibilities of fathering or paying the bills, I thought I was on fire for God. That basically meant I went to a lot of meetings and volunteered for a lot of activities. Nothing wrong with that, but you’re deluding yourself if you think busyness impresses the Lord.
Defining lukewarmness in terms of zeal is fraught with problems. What is hot to you is lukewarm to someone else. (You haven’t led as many people to Jesus as Billy Graham? Get out of my sight you lukewarm loser!)
Zeal can be a mask for works-righteousness. (As if that impresses the Lord!) And while most would say it’s better to be a little bit on fire for God – “Hey, at least I’m trying” – Jesus would prefer you were stone cold:
I know what you have done; I know that you are neither cold nor hot. How I wish you were either one or the other! (Rev 3:15, GNB)
What does it mean to be lukewarm?
Lukewarm is what you get when you mix hot and cold. To be lukewarm is to mix that which shouldn’t be mixed. For instance, mix the white-hot love of God with the stone-cold demands of the law and you’ll fall from grace (see Galatians). Mix up your husbands by running back to the law and you’re cheating on Jesus (see Roman 7).
Ironically, the mixture of unmixable things is a leading cause of complacency in the church. If Christians are lukewarm in the modern sense, it’s because they are lukewarm in the Biblical sense. They’ve been paralyzed and neutered by the irreconcilable demands of crippling mixture. The disease of lukewarmness results from the following unhealthy activities:
Why does Jesus prefer us cold to lukewarm?
Live with a mixture of the old and new and you’ll reap the benefits of neither. You won’t enjoy the grace that God has provided, nor will you heed the law that points to Jesus.
The number one cause of lukewarmness is cheap law, namely the delusion that God accepts anything less than perfection. Cheap law may be packaged as the pursuit of holiness or spiritual disciplines. It could be an emphasis on the sacrifices you bring or the promises you make, but its fruit always has the nauseating stench of self-righteousness. “Look what I’m doing for you Lord!”
The remedy for lukewarmness is the sort of stone-cold assessment that Jesus gives to the Laodiceans:
You make me want to vomit. You brag, “I’m rich, I’ve got it made, I need nothing from anyone,” oblivious that in fact you’re a pitiful, blind beggar, threadbare and homeless. (Rev 3:16-17, MSG)
Why does Jesus say it’s better to be cold than lukewarm? Because the law that Jesus preached silences proud mouths revealing our need for grace.
How do I become hot?
I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see. (Rev 3:18)
Thank God for grace! Because of grace you get to swap your filthy self-righteous rags for the clean robes of Christ’s righteousness. You get to trade your hay, wood, and stubble for the golden treasure that is Jesus himself. With his salve on your eyes you will see that his sacrifice is a perfectly perfect work that cannot be improved upon.
Want to be hot? Then stop mixing grace with law. Stop living in the netherworld between two covenants. Stop running back to your old husband Mr. Law. Stop doubting the promises of God. Stop sleeping with the maid of self-effort. Stop striving for balance. Stop trying to replicate what Christ has done.
In short, repent and believe the good news that Jesus Christ has done it all!
Here is the link below if you are interested in the questions about the teaching.
.https://escapetoreality.org/2015/07/24/are-you-lukewarm/
Are You Lukewarm?
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Here’s a favorite question of some preachers: “Are you a lukewarm believer?” You’d better have a good answer because if you’re not sure – “Am I lukewarm?” – Jesus may spew you out of his mouth.
What does that mean? He’ll reject you, you apathetic Christian! You may think you’re saved, but if you’re not on fire for God, you’ll end up in the fire!
What diabolical nonsense.
First, you are a part of Christ’s body and Jesus doesn’t spew out body parts. Ever vomited up a kidney? A toe? It’s a ridiculous notion, yet this is exactly what the fearmongers say will happen!
Second, being lukewarm has nothing to do with how enthusiastic you are. When I was a young man, free from the responsibilities of fathering or paying the bills, I thought I was on fire for God. That basically meant I went to a lot of meetings and volunteered for a lot of activities. Nothing wrong with that, but you’re deluding yourself if you think busyness impresses the Lord.
Defining lukewarmness in terms of zeal is fraught with problems. What is hot to you is lukewarm to someone else. (You haven’t led as many people to Jesus as Billy Graham? Get out of my sight you lukewarm loser!)
Zeal can be a mask for works-righteousness. (As if that impresses the Lord!) And while most would say it’s better to be a little bit on fire for God – “Hey, at least I’m trying” – Jesus would prefer you were stone cold:
I know what you have done; I know that you are neither cold nor hot. How I wish you were either one or the other! (Rev 3:15, GNB)
What does it mean to be lukewarm?
Lukewarm is what you get when you mix hot and cold. To be lukewarm is to mix that which shouldn’t be mixed. For instance, mix the white-hot love of God with the stone-cold demands of the law and you’ll fall from grace (see Galatians). Mix up your husbands by running back to the law and you’re cheating on Jesus (see Roman 7).
Ironically, the mixture of unmixable things is a leading cause of complacency in the church. If Christians are lukewarm in the modern sense, it’s because they are lukewarm in the Biblical sense. They’ve been paralyzed and neutered by the irreconcilable demands of crippling mixture. The disease of lukewarmness results from the following unhealthy activities:
- Mixing the new covenant of grace with the old covenant of works
- Mixing the new law written on our hearts with the old law written on tablets
- Mixing the rest of the new with the ceaseless demands of the old
- Mixing the unbreakable promises of God with the brittle promises of man
- Mixing the bondage of Sinai with the liberty of Zion (Gal 4:31)
- Mixing the ministry that condemns (2 Cor 3:9) with the ministry of no condemnation (Rom 8:1)
Why does Jesus prefer us cold to lukewarm?
Live with a mixture of the old and new and you’ll reap the benefits of neither. You won’t enjoy the grace that God has provided, nor will you heed the law that points to Jesus.
The number one cause of lukewarmness is cheap law, namely the delusion that God accepts anything less than perfection. Cheap law may be packaged as the pursuit of holiness or spiritual disciplines. It could be an emphasis on the sacrifices you bring or the promises you make, but its fruit always has the nauseating stench of self-righteousness. “Look what I’m doing for you Lord!”
The remedy for lukewarmness is the sort of stone-cold assessment that Jesus gives to the Laodiceans:
You make me want to vomit. You brag, “I’m rich, I’ve got it made, I need nothing from anyone,” oblivious that in fact you’re a pitiful, blind beggar, threadbare and homeless. (Rev 3:16-17, MSG)
Why does Jesus say it’s better to be cold than lukewarm? Because the law that Jesus preached silences proud mouths revealing our need for grace.
How do I become hot?
I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see. (Rev 3:18)
Thank God for grace! Because of grace you get to swap your filthy self-righteous rags for the clean robes of Christ’s righteousness. You get to trade your hay, wood, and stubble for the golden treasure that is Jesus himself. With his salve on your eyes you will see that his sacrifice is a perfectly perfect work that cannot be improved upon.
Want to be hot? Then stop mixing grace with law. Stop living in the netherworld between two covenants. Stop running back to your old husband Mr. Law. Stop doubting the promises of God. Stop sleeping with the maid of self-effort. Stop striving for balance. Stop trying to replicate what Christ has done.
In short, repent and believe the good news that Jesus Christ has done it all!
Here is the link below if you are interested in the questions about the teaching.
.https://escapetoreality.org/2015/07/24/are-you-lukewarm/
VERY GOOD GRACE777!!! Spurgeon knew long before many believers like me about the subject of lukewarmness from a truly biblical interpretation. I used to wonder how on the one hand the church was the loved bride., loved unconditionally bought by His own blood. Then on the other hand people were saying Jesus will spew us out. Good post!
I know - it is weird that Jesus would spit out a body part. Whenever an obscure scripture contradicts the abundance of clear scriptures - then we know we are interpreting it wrong.
If interested - Here is the link to the series on the rest of scriptures talking about the church at Laodicea with a grace-based finished work of Christ view.
https://escapetoreality.org/?s=Laodicea+
If interested - Here is the link to the series on the rest of scriptures talking about the church at Laodicea with a grace-based finished work of Christ view.
https://escapetoreality.org/?s=Laodicea+
Matthew 22:29
New International Version
Jesus replied, "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God.
New Living Translation
Jesus replied, "Your mistake is that you don't know the Scriptures, and you don't know the power of God.
English Standard Version
But Jesus answered them, “You are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God.
Berean Study Bible
Jesus replied, "You are mistaken because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God.
Berean Literal Bible
And, Jesus answering said to them, "You err, not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of God.
New American Standard Bible
But Jesus answered and said to them, "You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God.
2 Thessalonians 2:3
New International Version
Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.
New Living Translation
Don't be fooled by what they say. For that day will not come until there is a great rebellion against God and the man of lawlessness is revealed--the one who brings destruction.
English Standard Version
Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
Berean Study Bible
Let no one deceive you in any way, for it will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness (the son of destruction) is revealed.
Berean Literal Bible
No one should deceive you in any way, because it is not until the apostasy shall have come first, and the man of lawlessness shall have been revealed--the son of destruction,
New American Standard Bible
Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
This rebellion/apostasy is christians, for sinners don't have anything to rebel from.
New International Version
Jesus replied, "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God.
New Living Translation
Jesus replied, "Your mistake is that you don't know the Scriptures, and you don't know the power of God.
English Standard Version
But Jesus answered them, “You are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God.
Berean Study Bible
Jesus replied, "You are mistaken because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God.
Berean Literal Bible
And, Jesus answering said to them, "You err, not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of God.
New American Standard Bible
But Jesus answered and said to them, "You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God.
2 Thessalonians 2:3
New International Version
Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.
New Living Translation
Don't be fooled by what they say. For that day will not come until there is a great rebellion against God and the man of lawlessness is revealed--the one who brings destruction.
English Standard Version
Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
Berean Study Bible
Let no one deceive you in any way, for it will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness (the son of destruction) is revealed.
Berean Literal Bible
No one should deceive you in any way, because it is not until the apostasy shall have come first, and the man of lawlessness shall have been revealed--the son of destruction,
New American Standard Bible
Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
This rebellion/apostasy is christians, for sinners don't have anything to rebel from.
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Jesus said his burden is light. Yet churches burden us down with serving and tithing and living righteously and speaking a certain language and not saying certain things and believing this way or that way. This is a sin that's a sin it's ok to drink it's not ok to drink and on an on and on.
So which is it. Is his burden light or not. I was told that but never felt that way.
So which is it. Is his burden light or not. I was told that but never felt that way.
We can't go by what people do or don't do to be good or bad Christians. Everyone has different ways of living before others and we can't see in their hearts we can only see the outside..
I know there are certain Christians i will never be "pals" with or could stand to be married to or would be able to live in a house with even., but God loves them as much as me. Humanly this is hard to take but I know it's a Bible truth. Jesus loves them as much as me.
There is so much we don't see going on in other peoples lives and we are not called to judge hearts. It helps me to leave all that with Jesus and His other sheep who are walking behind Him.
I have enough in the day to do my own following the Good Shepherd. Also, it helps me to know too that we are not aware of what entangled our fellow annoying sheep and why they are stuck in an ugly thorn encased bush that causes them to look ugly and behave ugly.
I can now learn to leave it with Jesus to teach them like He taught me with His love and grace. The burden is not on me. I'm free to love them anyway.
That's well and good....but to be a member of a church community you are asked to make a pledge that you will tithe and you will place yourself under the authority of that leadership of that church. And they back all of that up with scripture. I think what I am talking about is church leadership more than church goers or members. Having stepped away from church the hypocrisy is astounding to me. It's about putting butts in a seat. I'm sort of back to the point that church is more of a state of mind than it is hanging with a certain group of people in a certain building.
I've had a pretty peaceful last couple of days. I still believe in Jesus but I am tired of struggling to be something that I am not. I am tired of putting on a fake front to people for fear of offending them or of them disowning me. I kind of have an up yours attitude towards the "christian" circles I used to run in. And that will pass because at my core I am a forgiving person....but..... I'm going back to the place where I thought love left me but was there all along.
dear Brother, Sirk,
you are speaking two-fold, one about the Church and one about your personal-life, and
then, there is always our Prime Relationship with Jesus, which would be 'tri-fold'...
you seem to be expressing that you are on a 'tri-cross-roads', as opposed to a regular 'cross-roads'
should we entertain that you are 'cross-referencing', or 'going-in-circle'?
you are speaking two-fold, one about the Church and one about your personal-life, and
then, there is always our Prime Relationship with Jesus, which would be 'tri-fold'...
you seem to be expressing that you are on a 'tri-cross-roads', as opposed to a regular 'cross-roads'
should we entertain that you are 'cross-referencing', or 'going-in-circle'?
dear Brother, Sirk,
you are speaking two-fold, one about the Church and one about your personal-life, and
then, there is always our Prime Relationship with Jesus, which would be 'tri-fold'...
you seem to be expressing that you are on a 'tri-cross-roads', as opposed to a regular 'cross-roads'
should we entertain that you are 'cross-referencing', or 'going-in-circle'?
you are speaking two-fold, one about the Church and one about your personal-life, and
then, there is always our Prime Relationship with Jesus, which would be 'tri-fold'...
you seem to be expressing that you are on a 'tri-cross-roads', as opposed to a regular 'cross-roads'
should we entertain that you are 'cross-referencing', or 'going-in-circle'?
Sirk: I have absolutely felt the same way and even now am still that way a little. Some years back I had this dream in which I was trying to find a church to attend. After some time I found a pretty good church and I sat down and the service begin and presently the preacher started to speak. Not long into the preaching he begin to teach false doctrine. I remember I started saying, they are liars, they are all liars, and as I said that I pulled this sheet up over my body to get away from it. Only by an act of my will have I continued to attend church...where I am going right now is alright.
