I Will Spew Thee Out of My Mouth
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Sorry, late to the party and I didn't even bring chips.
Sirk, Lauren, Grace, Samuel...my heart goes out to anyone who has suffered spiritual abuse under false teachers, wolves pretending to be sheep. Will keep you all in prayer.
The lukewarm chuch? It is the one made up of people who have the comforts of the world and don't really need to rely on Jesus to provide. It is filled with people who never suffered to the point of brokenness.
Jesus came for the poor and those who admit that they are sinners in need of a savior.
I heard once of a preacher who dressed as a homeless man to see how many people would welcome him into the church service. Out of 200 only one person did.
I don't really have any answers (and that bugs me because I would really like to have some) I just watch and pray. Perhaps God will tell us all when to move or speak up.
I do have to say I am uplifted to see the Holy spirit move in your conversation. Even though I read it days later.
Sirk, Lauren, Grace, Samuel...my heart goes out to anyone who has suffered spiritual abuse under false teachers, wolves pretending to be sheep. Will keep you all in prayer.
The lukewarm chuch? It is the one made up of people who have the comforts of the world and don't really need to rely on Jesus to provide. It is filled with people who never suffered to the point of brokenness.
Jesus came for the poor and those who admit that they are sinners in need of a savior.
I heard once of a preacher who dressed as a homeless man to see how many people would welcome him into the church service. Out of 200 only one person did.
I don't really have any answers (and that bugs me because I would really like to have some) I just watch and pray. Perhaps God will tell us all when to move or speak up.
I do have to say I am uplifted to see the Holy spirit move in your conversation. Even though I read it days later.
J
I've seen someone with a huge catalog of family and social issues walk into a church. I've seen those issues coming out in that person through his expression and his need to isolate himself most of the time, even when he was there to hang out with others. I've seen him cry out for help to the point that he broke down crying and shaking on the floor, and it was like, people just kind of prayed for him and shrugged him off when he went to try to find help for his problems with that group of people. He wanted to fit in but he did not know how. I've seen him act strangely, like he was trying to overcome that social barrier by changing his behavior, overcompensating, and failing miserably. I've seen the damage it caused among that group of people. It wasn't his fault, it was more that there was a whole lot more to the picture... It wasn't sin issues on his end, exactly, that were being displayed, just failure to understand why he was the way he was and not understanding how to cope with it (ingrained psychological barriers) and it coming out through his behavior, which was kind of strange, like I said. He wasn't being manipulative, he was trying... how do I say this... to come out of his shell. He was lonely.
He didn't know what he was doing at all, as if he was 23 years old physically and five years old as far as social, emotional and life skill development.
God was working through it, still is, but it might not have been evident at the time.
I've seen people try to get through to that individual as if they expected him to fly when he was barely learning to walk - to the point that the people were actively using the idea of the prophetic gift to manipulate that person.
He didn't understand at the time what was going on and he fell apart, but to be fair I don't think people really understood what was going on with that person.
Get conflicting personal interests involved from various places in administration and the membership... it was game over. I think he wanted to believe and trust everything people told him to do for advice because he had them on pedestals like none of them could do any wrong, which was a bad idea because of competition over... females and things. He wanted so badly to do right that he listened to opinions he shouldn't have and ended up just shutting down, shutting love out, which he had in the palm of his hand multiple times, it's just that he trusted what everybody said at face value and it was the wrong thing to do, only he didn't understand it at the time.
The church handed him textbook solutions like meds and therapy as they showed him the door... things that couldn't even begin to address the actual problem.
I guess he just needed someone reliable to talk to about it before he was ready for certain things and he ended up getting buried in other people's self-interest.
Anyway, he was 100% innocent in the situation. Kind of naive, but innocent.
They ended up crucifying him later because he spoke out about it.
(It was me.)
He didn't know what he was doing at all, as if he was 23 years old physically and five years old as far as social, emotional and life skill development.
God was working through it, still is, but it might not have been evident at the time.
I've seen people try to get through to that individual as if they expected him to fly when he was barely learning to walk - to the point that the people were actively using the idea of the prophetic gift to manipulate that person.
He didn't understand at the time what was going on and he fell apart, but to be fair I don't think people really understood what was going on with that person.
Get conflicting personal interests involved from various places in administration and the membership... it was game over. I think he wanted to believe and trust everything people told him to do for advice because he had them on pedestals like none of them could do any wrong, which was a bad idea because of competition over... females and things. He wanted so badly to do right that he listened to opinions he shouldn't have and ended up just shutting down, shutting love out, which he had in the palm of his hand multiple times, it's just that he trusted what everybody said at face value and it was the wrong thing to do, only he didn't understand it at the time.
The church handed him textbook solutions like meds and therapy as they showed him the door... things that couldn't even begin to address the actual problem.
I guess he just needed someone reliable to talk to about it before he was ready for certain things and he ended up getting buried in other people's self-interest.
Anyway, he was 100% innocent in the situation. Kind of naive, but innocent.
They ended up crucifying him later because he spoke out about it.
(It was me.)
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truly
but as we know, they won't hear from God's Spirit...they ain't gonna hear it from us
I have literally been told 'go to he**' and 'you have no faith' among other things by someone I tried to get to see what they were doing...that hurts...I always question myself...from reading some of your posts, seems you might also?
how does a Christian tell another Christian 'go to he**? it's mind boggling! and then that same person stands up in church and supposedly has a message for the church that they need to 'repent'
putting ashes on your head and rending your clothes almost seems appropriate for the damage someone like that does
sigh
but as we know, they won't hear from God's Spirit...they ain't gonna hear it from us
I have literally been told 'go to he**' and 'you have no faith' among other things by someone I tried to get to see what they were doing...that hurts...I always question myself...from reading some of your posts, seems you might also?
how does a Christian tell another Christian 'go to he**? it's mind boggling! and then that same person stands up in church and supposedly has a message for the church that they need to 'repent'
putting ashes on your head and rending your clothes almost seems appropriate for the damage someone like that does
sigh
L
I got that it was you before I finished reading your post
I am not currently doing so, but have given Bible studies in the past about the very things you write about...due to my own personal circumstances, I have studied and prayed much about all of those things. I really hurt...I mean inside literally...over people going through these kinds of things because I know how they feel...so if I help someone (and I have thank God) it makes it worthwhile!
Like scripture states, if I may paraphrase...it hurts while you go through it...the pain is for a 'little' while...but afterwards, the rewards are worth it! I have a habit of charging ahead cause I want to get things done...at times that has cost me...it ties in with my desire to just take off if something hurts...but I have learned to 'hold steady' and my husband has actually been a help in that...he is anything but someone who charges ahead and so I have really chomped and been impatient and even argued with him over things cause he just does not move...but over time I began to see how I had damaged myself....so it's funny the things God will use to speak to you...sometimes we don't acknowledge or see the answers to our prayers because they seem so 'commonplace' while the whole time it is God working in us to 'do of His good will!'
thank you so much for sharing your heart...your heart is precious! big big hugs to you in Jesus...
I will say there are no textbook solutions...although it does not necessarily hurt to read some of the books...but it is only before Jesus that I ever really got anything straightened out...and that is not to say I didn't talk to people...cause in my family, we used to talk things to death haha!...but in the end, Jesus was and is always waiting to help us
anyway...thank you JustWhoIAm
J
I know you did. Joe and Jamie were the only ones who knew about the ant.
You and Grace seem to be in the loop.
Topic of the thread is lukewarm faith if I'm reading it correctly. Let me ask you something.
Are members of a church that take advantage of a CIA (satanic ritual abuse) mind control victim considered to be lukewarm?
You and Grace seem to be in the loop.
Topic of the thread is lukewarm faith if I'm reading it correctly. Let me ask you something.
Are members of a church that take advantage of a CIA (satanic ritual abuse) mind control victim considered to be lukewarm?
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I don't get inside info from anyone in this forum regarding others...a few times people have said something to me, but I don't pass it on and I don't employ cheap methods of trying to appear I know things by any other means
I am not on any loop...whatever it is you are thinking, it is not coming from what I wrote..that is plain English and so was my other post
oh I know what SRA is...
I am not on trial here...and neither are you...I am also not worthy of suspicion and my conscience is clear before God
sometimes things are revealed without the one revealing them being aware...
take it or leave it...it's your choice and always is
I am not on any loop...whatever it is you are thinking, it is not coming from what I wrote..that is plain English and so was my other post
oh I know what SRA is...
I am not on trial here...and neither are you...I am also not worthy of suspicion and my conscience is clear before God
sometimes things are revealed without the one revealing them being aware...
take it or leave it...it's your choice and always is
A
I question where my thoughts come from and my motives, because I believe it's a part of discernment. Not everything that enters our heads or hearts should be acted upon. To me it doesn't matter if it's demonic or just freshly desires, they are both against God and His will for our lives.
Too many people in this forum dont care enough to question why they speak and if what they say will help or hurt those who they are talking to. They care more about being right than speaking in love. The BIBLE calls such wisdom demonic.
Paul says even if you can speak the tongues of angels, without love it is nothing but clashing cymbals and meaningless noise.
Sometime all I see when reading some threads is noise.
This one has its banging too but the pure melody of the Holy Spirit still rings true in the hearts of those humble enough to pray and listen to God's answers instead of their own voices.
(now watch the temper tantrum that will ensue)
Too many people in this forum dont care enough to question why they speak and if what they say will help or hurt those who they are talking to. They care more about being right than speaking in love. The BIBLE calls such wisdom demonic.
Paul says even if you can speak the tongues of angels, without love it is nothing but clashing cymbals and meaningless noise.
Sometime all I see when reading some threads is noise.
This one has its banging too but the pure melody of the Holy Spirit still rings true in the hearts of those humble enough to pray and listen to God's answers instead of their own voices.
(now watch the temper tantrum that will ensue)