I Will Spew Thee Out of My Mouth

Sirk · Jan 18, 2017

Let me see..... G777 posts a hypergrace post from a popular hypergrace site, & I get slammed for saying it's a popular hypergrace site? And somehow I'm hurting people saying that?

I just don't think it's that simple dear.

Sirk always discusses the bad side of the church when he comes into the BDF. Somebody or some group always becomes his hobby-horse to jump on.

About discernment..... Someone does a lash-out on the church & then plays the victim to get sympathy..... He been doing this for years, with plenty of people feeling sorry for him. And you know what? With all the prayer & counsel he got, he never changed.....ever.

Same re-run every time he comes in here. And you fell for it. Pulling on someone's sympathy strings does NOT equal discernment. What it really means is that you've been played.....and I'm truly sorry that it happened to you.

And I suppose Jesus flipping over tables is considered a lash out. You truly are an ignorant man.

LaurenTM · Jan 18, 2017

Stephen63 said:

you are lucky I don't start talking about my church experiences and especially the ones in Pentecostal churches

I was involved with a major ministry...I could make people's hair stand up

may God have mercy and shine His light on our paths

I'm not falling for a thing...the things I don't say lay in silent witness all around me and the One who sees it all knows...I know when to shut up and am still learning that

good grief man! sirk is not talking about discernment...he is talking about events

I have been propositioned myself in church by a married man years ago when I wasn't married...and more...so like, I think I know about it? it is what it is

Grace777x70 · Jan 18, 2017

LaurenTM said:

Now there is an understatement if I ever heard one. It is really a work of the flesh in Gal. 5:19 called "witchcraft".

We are conditioned to only think of the occult ( and it does involve that in some cases ) but the Greek word is where we get the word "pharmacy and pharmaceuticals". It really means at it's core "The mixing of things together to get a desired result".

Spiritual manipulation is definitely an art form.

Here is a favorite one:

"If you don't agree with what I and our group believes about a subject - you are denying the words of Jesus and if you don't agree with me - you are denying God and the bible."

Or another is:

"I am the man of God and God sent me to tell you that if you don't obey what I say about a subject - you are defying God Himself."

It may be a good thread to look at the ways of "spiritual manipulation" that the flesh can come up with.

LaurenTM · Jan 18, 2017

Sirk said:

I despise it and want no part of it

sadly, so many people try to use the gifts of God the same way

I recently heard ...I won't say his name ...to protect the guilty...on TV telling folks to send a certain amount of money corresponding to a certain Psalm in order to receive their blessing

I would throw a brick through the TV but my husband just bought it!

for me I might add

I want to scream...you stinkin liar!...all this guy EVER does is beg for the moolah

we have to guard our hearts against bitterness

I am caring for those people who send in their money and expect their 'miracles'

it's disgusting

Magenta · Jan 18, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

Now there is an understatement if I ever heard one. It is really a work of the flesh in Gal. 5:19 called "witchcraft".

We are conditioned to only think of the occult ( and it does involve that in some cases ) but the Greek word is where we get the word "pharmacy and pharmaceuticals". It really means at it's core "The mixing of things together to get a desired result".

Spiritual manipulation is definitely an art form.

Here is a favorite one:

"If you don't agree with what I and our group believes about a subject - you are denying the words of Jesus and if you don't agree with me - you are denying God and the bible."

Or another is:

"I am the man of God and God sent me to tell you that if you don't obey what I say about a subject - you are defying God Himself."

It may be a good thread to look at the ways of "spiritual manipulation" that the flesh can come up with.

Better to look at Jesus

joaniemarie · Jan 18, 2017

Sirk said:

Like many religious people do, they put a higher premium on what and how they work than the finnished work Jesus did as a gift. 2 totally opposing matters.

Grace777x70 · Jan 18, 2017

LaurenTM said:

I despise it and want no part of it

sadly, so many people try to use the gifts of God the same way

I recently heard ...I won't say his name ...to protect the guilty...on TV telling folks to send a certain amount of money corresponding to a certain Psalm in order to receive their blessing

I would throw a brick through the TV but my husband just bought it!

for me I might add

I want to scream...you stinkin liar!...all this guy EVER does is beg for the moolah

we have to guard our hearts against bitterness

I am caring for those people who send in their money and expect their 'miracles'

it's disgusting

Perfect example of spiritual manipulation.

Grace777x70 · Jan 18, 2017

Magenta said:

Amen...you are right!.....much better to look at Jesus.....and we are not ignorant of satan's devices and schemes either.

LaurenTM · Jan 18, 2017

Grace777x70;2948012]
Now there is an understatement if I ever heard one. It is really a work of the flesh in Gal. 5:19 called "witchcraft".

yeah...tell me about it...Derek Prince has written some very eye opening things regarding that

and we are conditioned to only think of the occult ( and it does involve that in some cases ) but the Greek word is where we get the word "pharmacy and pharmaceuticals". It really means at it's core "The mixing of things together to get a desired result".

I am less worried about the occult than false spirits masquerading in Christians as the Holy Spirit
Spiritual manipulation is definitely an art form.

Here is a favorite one:

"If you don't agree with what I and our group believes about a subject - you are denying the words of Jesus and if you don't agree with me - you are denying God and the bible."

Or another is:

"I am the man of God and God sent me to tell you that if you don't obey what I say about a subject - you are defying God Himself."

It may be a good thread to look at the ways of "spiritual manipulation" that the flesh can come up with.

I've gone into all of that in detail in my own life...I will agree with Magenta...learn about the real to avoid the false

BUT...thing is, who teaches this stuff?

people in counselling might learn...but rarely in church...home Bible studies (which I love for the most part) are also a good way

Sirk · Jan 18, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

I think a more fitting description is spiritual abuse...and it is more insidious than emotional and even physical abuse. Because it is in essence murdering the spirit of a fellow human. And pahptor sphteven just committed an act of it in this very thread

LaurenTM · Jan 18, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

well yeah, but itching ears!...he is scratching 'em!

breaks my heart...I know the pain of believing in what is false...because I had no teaching

LaurenTM · Jan 18, 2017

yes it is

gotta go...gotta be somewhere

thanks!

Magenta · Jan 18, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

We live in a fallen world and are all affected, nor are any of us innocent of sin. It does, however remind me of a question a young man asked here a while ago, about why he should not read certain things or expose himself to other things that may be questionable; he was asking for Scriptural proofs to convince himself, and I provided quite a few. I followed up by telling him: wisdom instructs us to keep our eyes fixed on where we are going, for turning to look away will surely eventually cause us to move in that direction, and we do not want to go there. We do know the perils and pitfalls the world holds. Too familiar perhaps are we with the seductive power they can have over the unsuspecting. Thank God that Jesus has set us free!

FreeNChrist · Jan 18, 2017

LaurenTM said:

"When absolute control and rigid obedience pose as love within the family and the local faith-community, we produce trained cowards rather than Christian persons." - Brennan Manning

lastofall · Jan 18, 2017

[for me anyway] Christ is referring to indifference to what is right and wrong, good and evil; and this is the last stage of Church history.

MadebyHim · Jan 18, 2017

LaurenTM said:

you know what?

who cares!

there are living people who need Jesus and won't reject Him...who cares about Gandhi or anyone like him

we don't need to discuss him or his demonic false god...he is where he is and no one is going to change a thing

yeah...that's what I think about it

live for Christ ... I think you missed what is actually going on in this thread...people hurt .. Gandhi helped no one but himself and I'm not going to exchange posts with you on the subject so whatever

Wow, chill out. Come out firing like that, you must have felt guilty as charged.

Grace777x70 · Jan 18, 2017

Originally Posted by Grace777x70

Perfect example of spiritual manipulation.

LaurenTM said:

I agree...but you know sometimes people do get blessed from the Lord when they do send in that "gift".

Those are the ones that are responding in true faith to God despite the spiritual manipulation and are not doing it to get something from God but to show that they trust Him in the situation they are currently in. That He alone is their source and provider.

( this is no excuse for this behavior and not an endorsement of it and it needs to be exposed for what it really is and the damage it produces )

God sees their heart that they are truly trusting in Him and this releases the grace that has been there all along. God honors faith in the hearts of His beloved children even if the agency was wrong.

Kind of like the principle of Christ is being preached either from a good motive or a selfish one.

Philippians 1:15-18 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Some, to be sure, are preaching Christ even from envy and strife, but some also from good will;

[SUP]16 [/SUP] the latter do it out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel;

[SUP]17 [/SUP] the former proclaim Christ out of selfish ambition rather than from pure motives, thinking to cause me distress in my imprisonment.

[SUP]18 [/SUP] What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed; and in this I rejoice. Yes, and I will rejoice,

Stephen63 · Jan 18, 2017

lastofall said:

I must admit, this does line up to the last days when there will be a great falling away of the church. That is when the church is being led away to judgment for forsaking God & His Word & falling for every false teaching that comes along. The greatest wrath that mankind has ever received in church history, & we're on the edge of it.

MadebyHim · Jan 18, 2017

Jesus Christ is my Savior. i was only speaking at those that are always condemning people to hell, like they are judge. Judge Jesus will send who He wants to hell, its not our choice.

wattie · Jan 18, 2017

88 said:

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The spewing out of the mouth, in this context.. is of a whole local church being lukewarm and figurative for a general state of many churches being lukewarm.

So the Lampstand being removed.. this is the presence of the Holy Spirit in the midst of a local New Testament church assembly.

This isn't the presence of the Holy Spirit in the person's soul.. because that isn't the subject of the passage.

We are talking local churches here.. not the individual alone.

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