Your God kills people

[popeye]

OK,time for a joke.

I dedicate it to our curious newbie,Mr para-dox.

"what is the diff between a paradox and a paradigm?

20 cents!!!

 

[popeye]

Test the defenses? Attack the weak ones? Wonder who he is pming.

We plant seeds. If they want to dig them up and feed them to the ravens, it's their choice.

However you never know if a seed will take root and turn a harden heart into a repentant one seeking God and His truth.

Amen sis!!!

Love is the key.

Amen?

 

[Adstar]

I'm enjoying your answers. Okay so let me ask you this. If there was no hell, would any of us really want to follow God?

I can honestly say i do not follow God because of fear of hell.. And if there are people out there who think they are following God and there reason is because of fear of hell then they are not following God.. Because coming to understand the full revelation of Gods will removes all fear because once a person understand the extent of the Love of God for us ( He suffered death to save us from the lake of fire).. That Love removes fear .. This is revealed in the scriptures..

1 John 4 KJV
18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. 19 We love him, because he first loved us.


So i Love God because i read the entire message of the Bible.. I realize that God loves me.. It's the knowledge of Hius love for me that keeps me glued to Him willingly with Great Hope and peace of mind.. Yes there are Hell fire and brimstone preachers who do ranting sermons to people and have little kids terrified in their congregations but we have thousands of these kids that grow up to become unbelievers.. So fear has a bad record at keeping people believing God.. fear is not an emotion that can be maintained for a life time it destroys peoples minds.. But the Love and wisdom of God.. Now that creates real Love for God in ones heart and great admiration for God so that one has no problem believing God and holding on to God with a loving embrace for ones entire life time.. When one discovers the Love of God then ones fear is totally removed...

Because a lot of God's rules are annoying to follow and I'm sure if there was no punishment of hell a lot of us wouldn't be Christians right now.

Indeed they are impossible for us humans to follow without failure,, in trying to follow them one will be failing in their attempts each and every day because the rules of God are there to show us that we Cannot successfully follow the rules of God . You may then say then why have rules if we cannot follow them without failure?? Because the LAW's job is to show us our problem that we are imperfect beings needing God to save us ..

So while it is hard to obey the rules of God it is not hard to Believe That rules of God are truth and Good... Bible reveals to us that we are saved through BELIEF and TRUST Believing God's message and trusting (having Faith) in the way God has made for us to be saved.. That being through the Atonement that Jesus secured for us on the cross... NO one is saved by succeeding to obey Gods Laws without failure..

What I'm saying is, what's the point of having God in your life if your life was fine the way it was before it was ruined by your own sin? It seems like sin and the fear of being thrown in hell is the only reason I have anything to do with God.

Then discover the Love of God which casts out all fear.. Understand what God did by demonstration (Jesus death and Resurrection ) that won me and most of the Heavenly Host over to joyful recognition of how absolutely justified God is to being the One and Only God of all existence and how absolutely wrong it is for people and satan and his fallen angels to reject His perfect will.

Fear of God is the beginning of Wisdom.. It is not the end of Wisdom.. The end of the journey of Wisdom is the discovery of the love of God which casts out all fear within us..

 

[john832]

People die as a result of sin. Jesus paid the price for sin. God has given mankind a way to be redeemed in spite of, and spared the consequence of, sin. Do you see that as a bad thing?

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Eze 18:31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
Eze 18:32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.

 

[Willie-T]

OK,time for a joke.

I dedicate it to our curious newbie,Mr para-dox.

"what is the diff between a paradox and a paradigm?

A paradox is a question you can't answer, and a paradigm is a rut you are stuck in and can't get out of.

 

[resurrection33]

20 cents!!!

A paradox is worth more than a pair of dimes.

 

[john832]

A paradox is worth more than a pair of dimes.

A pair of docs are quite expensive.

 

[Depleted]

Because he's obviously here to spread discourse and try to convince us that God kills people just because..

I found this site because I came across a word in Genesis (serpent, so really early on in Genesis) that I could not find an answer to what it meant that satisfied me. (Hm, just dawns on me, I still haven't. lol)

Does his purpose really matter in the grand scheme of things? Has God not brought him here? Can't God use this one thread for more than one purpose?

 

[Depleted]

I don't know why I feel I need to answer this, but it does irritate me to no end when people inquire about my beliefs. Especially when they're only concerned about proselytizing their own.

My hopes, fears and beliefs are not about a saving force or person who I think communicates with me personally.

I'd like to work out the meaning to existence in a calm and rational way, without starting a holy war over g(G)ods.

Hey, dude!

You're the one who said this:

You don't need to know my beliefs, you're ok.

I've only got hope to sell.

Don't sell something if you can't even tell us what you're selling or why you're selling it. Kind of like trying to sell a winged unicorn. There are going to be obvious questions before bringing out the merchandise.

 

[Depleted]

Not to repeat myself, but this stuff you believe? Sin nature, salvation is not something that can be proven, other than what the bible says (And thats unconfirmed history)

It can be. It has been. That you don't know that says quite a bit about your education level though.

 

[paradoxdown]

Good. Your works won't get you into Heaven, and they mean nothing without faith.

Let me make a serious point here, I won't be deciding believing and trusting any g(G)od based on "Getting into their heaven." I can't even express the stupidity of that carrot.

 

[Depleted]

One thing is true, none of you know what I do and do not believe.

In whole and part.

True, but this kind of reminds me of what would happen if someone with a third grade education entered a fourth-year-uni Physics class and thought he was the one tasked to educate the students. lol

 

[paradoxdown]

God had foreknowledge that Adam and Eve would become sabotaged by the enticing deception that satan used upon them.. Adam and Eve did have the opportunity to believe God and reject satan's enticement.. Just because God foreknew What choice they would make does not mean God forced them to make it.. Of course God knew that humanity would have to have many generations for Gods plan to be worked out so that God could Redeem His creation in a just way.. Remember God also has to defeat the satanic challenge in a Just way in front of the Heavenly Host.... 2/3rds of the Angels will be won over to God whilst 1/3rd are with satan..

PS: It is irrelevant that we did not play a part in the initial deception.. We have inherited the curse.. So we need to be justly Redeemed as well..

I'm afraid we'll probably exhaust all our resources and war over fresh air and water, way before that all goes down.

Our only hope is interstellar travel...

 

[88]

A paradox is worth more than a pair of dimes.

a pair of ducks---- please pass the quacker's...

 

[Depleted]

That's what I don't understand.. Why did God continue to create people for thousands of years after Adam and Eve if that really wasn't his plan? Why are we cursed for something we didn't do?

Good luck trying to figure out that one. It's not real, so hard to logic it out.

 

[paradoxdown]

Yes it is bad... Trusting in self is trusting in someone who is not perfect... It is better to place ones trust in a Perfect being who cannot make mistakes.

Trusting one self is more a challenge to self improvement, than narcissism.

 

[Depleted]

It's unhealthy to have a primary relationship with something you have to imagine.

Do you understand what that means?

Many kids have imaginary friends, but they grow out of it. When they don't it is seen as an unhealthy preoccupation, and it's encouraged for them to have real sensory based relationships.

Living in the land of imaginary belief might seem to fill a void, but it disconnects you with the real.

"Don't nuke our imagination man!"

Agree completely. So why are you doing just that?

 

[Willie-T]

Let me make a serious point here, I won't be deciding believing and trusting any g(G)od based on "Getting into their heaven." I can't even express the stupidity of that carrot.

I don't even believe in a mystic location called, Heaven. But, don't you want to (or hope to) transform into a much more benevolent existence or realm of being than this one you have been having to live this life in?

 

[paradoxdown]

And who do you think has done that? Please be specific.

Well who knows, I'm no historian.

 

[paradoxdown]

The Gospel is that God sacrificed HIS life to save those who did or would murder HIM. Agape love.

By allowing other people to murder him, later it's easy to say "It's God's will he should sacrifice his son."