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Luke 21:3636 Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy toescape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before theSon of Man."
Thessalonians 5:9
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.
The "catching up" IS the rapture! The rapture is not the same event as the return of Jesus to earth.
But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be """caught up""" together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
Thessalonians 5:9
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.
The "catching up" IS the rapture! The rapture is not the same event as the return of Jesus to earth.
But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be """caught up""" together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
The "things we escape" mentioned below here:
Luke 21:3636 Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man."Is being taken to the place of the wrath which was spoken of in Luke 17.
The wicked are taken, the righteous remain to meet the Lord "in the air." First the wicked are taken, then the righteous are gathered to the Lord. This idea of a pre-trib rapture is just foolishness and is not taught.
Here it is again in Dan 12: And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book.
Exactly, it's not done in phases. After the 1,000 years in heaven are over, Christ will return. In Rev 20, John sees SOULS. He does NOT see raptured people in their glorious new bodies. We believers take part in the first resurrection which is the spiritual resurrection. If one is saved, one will not face the second death. That is what John is teaching.
Saved = first resurrection (spiritual) > death (physical) > second resurrection (new body)
Unsaved = death (physical) > second resurrection (new body) > second death (spiritual)
Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power...
We saved NEVER face the second death just as the wicked never saw the first resurrection.
Same author, same writing style:
Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
John saw the BORN AGAIN in heaven, as souls, with Christ.
Saved = first resurrection (spiritual) > death (physical) > second resurrection (new body)
Unsaved = death (physical) > second resurrection (new body) > second death (spiritual)
Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power...
We saved NEVER face the second death just as the wicked never saw the first resurrection.
Same author, same writing style:
Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
John saw the BORN AGAIN in heaven, as souls, with Christ.
If I could have it my way I would love to be able to go home and receive the treasures I have so exhaustively sought after which if you know me as well I hope you do you know what those treasures are. But after being with him for a time I would likely upon seeing all that is happening on earth ask him to send me back to help and serve and to protect others to shine his light and his love in vast abundance in a time when it's needed the most.
I did not seek to become strong in love and in Christ for myself I see no point in doing so if it is not for the sake of him and all others. Perhaps he has other plans or perhaps it is his own will that was placed in my heart his own desire for my reason to be strong. I will trust him no matter the outcome even if the rapture happens and I don't go in it my faith in him will not budge
I did not seek to become strong in love and in Christ for myself I see no point in doing so if it is not for the sake of him and all others. Perhaps he has other plans or perhaps it is his own will that was placed in my heart his own desire for my reason to be strong. I will trust him no matter the outcome even if the rapture happens and I don't go in it my faith in him will not budge
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After we raptured believers return to earth with Jesus and Jesus sets up His kingdom here on earth for 1000 years where we rule with Him, satan will be loosed for a short time and again satan trys to fight against God and is defeated and all evil ic cast into the lake of fire and the earth is cleansed by fire the new Jerusalem comes down to earth and God makes His home for eternity here with mankind!!
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Again!=The "catching up" IS the rapture! The rapture is not the same event as the return of Jesus to earth.
=Luke 21:3636 Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy toescape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before theSon of Man."
Thessalonians 5:9
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.
The "catching up" IS the rapture! The rapture is not the same event as the return of Jesus to earth.
But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be """caught up""" together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
=Luke 21:3636 Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy toescape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before theSon of Man."
Thessalonians 5:9
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.
The "catching up" IS the rapture! The rapture is not the same event as the return of Jesus to earth.
But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be """caught up""" together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
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THESSALONIANS 3:13 (Paul)
13 To the end he may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints[SUP]2[/SUP].JUDE 14-15
14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his saints[SUP]2[/SUP].
13 To the end he may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints[SUP]2[/SUP].JUDE 14-15
14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his saints[SUP]2[/SUP].
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God's Word is all Truth and we cannot blame God if we lack wisdom and understanding!! Pray for some!!
THESSALONIANS 3:13 (Paul)
13 To the end he may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ ""with all his saints""[SUP]2[/SUP].JUDE 14-15
14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, t""he Lord comes with ten thousands of his saints""[SUP]2[/SUP].
THESSALONIANS 3:13 (Paul)
13 To the end he may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ ""with all his saints""[SUP]2[/SUP].JUDE 14-15
14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, t""he Lord comes with ten thousands of his saints""[SUP]2[/SUP].
If I were not a follower of Jesus Christ, and was left on the earth during the rapture, would I believe?
Well yeah, He would be there before us all, finally giving that "absolute, inarguable proof" that Ive been demanding : p Thered no longer be any way to deny Him at that point, Id say : p
(I do not believe in the pre-trib rapture at all)
Well yeah, He would be there before us all, finally giving that "absolute, inarguable proof" that Ive been demanding : p Thered no longer be any way to deny Him at that point, Id say : p
(I do not believe in the pre-trib rapture at all)
A question along these same lines: And this actually has some very serious and far-reaching ramifications.... IF you are able to truly sit and think about it for a half hour, or so.
"Every knee shall bend, every head shall bow."
It this describing Forced, or Free and Willing worship?
Before you just fire-off the answer you have been ingrained with, actually think about it awhile.
"Every knee shall bend, every head shall bow."
It this describing Forced, or Free and Willing worship?
Before you just fire-off the answer you have been ingrained with, actually think about it awhile.
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