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I don't think he was pretending and I do not believe I was fooled. He was my servant after all, I think I would know. Maybe he wasn't the best Christian, he certainly was not the best President I saw in my lifetime (though that bar how low it is indeed), but I think he was one or at least tried to be and will continue to try to be once the heady heat of US politics cools off from him.
What is your point? I am not sitting here pretending I have never said anything anyone could find fault with because they disagreed with me, or that I just now started slinging back and everyone else should just stop as if I am not also participating. That is not to say I have not held my tongue, for I have, and quite a bit, too, for what is the point of telling people the truth knowing they will hate you for it?
Promise this is my last post in this thread. I am being very sincere when I say I have been wrong and a bad example of Christ. I am sorry to Sirk and Magenta, Willie and whoever else I have posted on...
I have hurt Jesus and that's not right I have had hate in my heart and it isn't right toward Trump and any of his followers. Jesus said hate is the same as murder so I have been wrong.
I sincerely apologize and ask for forgiveness - feel like crying because at 62 I do know better. No excuses for my behavior. Sorry.
I have hurt Jesus and that's not right I have had hate in my heart and it isn't right toward Trump and any of his followers. Jesus said hate is the same as murder so I have been wrong.
I sincerely apologize and ask for forgiveness - feel like crying because at 62 I do know better. No excuses for my behavior. Sorry.
But you also think he is a Christian. He was never seen going to church, he loved the Koran, hired Muslim Brotherhood members into the White House, took parting shots at Israel on his way out the door... LOL.
A Los Angeles Times report quoted a childhood friend stating Obama prayed in a mosque – something the then-presidential candidate said he never did. Obama’s campaign released a statement explaining the senator had never been a “practicing Muslim.”
Widely distributed reports noted that in January 1968, Obama was registered as a Muslim at Jakarta’s Roman Catholic Franciscus Assisi Primary School under the name Barry Soetoro. He was listed as an Indonesian citizen whose stepfather, listed on school documents as “L Soetoro Ma,” worked for the topography department of the Indonesian Army.
After attending the Assisi Primary School, Obama was enrolled – also as a Muslim, according to documents – in the Besuki Primary School, a public school in Jakarta.
Indeed, in his autobiography, “Dreams From My Father,” Obama acknowledged studying the Quran and described the public school as “a Muslim school.”
Read more at Did Obama just say he’s a Muslim (again)?
A Los Angeles Times report quoted a childhood friend stating Obama prayed in a mosque – something the then-presidential candidate said he never did. Obama’s campaign released a statement explaining the senator had never been a “practicing Muslim.”
Widely distributed reports noted that in January 1968, Obama was registered as a Muslim at Jakarta’s Roman Catholic Franciscus Assisi Primary School under the name Barry Soetoro. He was listed as an Indonesian citizen whose stepfather, listed on school documents as “L Soetoro Ma,” worked for the topography department of the Indonesian Army.
After attending the Assisi Primary School, Obama was enrolled – also as a Muslim, according to documents – in the Besuki Primary School, a public school in Jakarta.
Indeed, in his autobiography, “Dreams From My Father,” Obama acknowledged studying the Quran and described the public school as “a Muslim school.”
Read more at Did Obama just say he’s a Muslim (again)?
Obama was going to a church before he was elected. Jeremiah Wright controversy was one of the significant talking points in the 2008 campaign that Hillary and McCain tried using against him. Obama and Michelle were married in a church. Which also reminds me, if I think Obama a Christian, but poorly, I think Michelle was a Christian and fairly strongly and I think she at least keep him going. Nevertheless being a member of the churches of stone don't make anyone a Christian. I mean come on now, the leaders of the stone churches killed Jesus!
Reading the Koran don't make you a muslim, I've read and I can tell you verily many a muslims in my debates with them have threatened me with fatwas and other vain wind threats that I laughed at. I am not sure if you have read it or not as you know much about Islam, but if you have I don't think you a muslim either.
As for his upbringing yea that's what I meaning he was begotten of a muslim, abandoned by him, raised with another muslim in a muslim country, abandoned of him too. He had his mom too whom he loved a lot and she was an atheist. I'd be more convinced he'd tend towards hers more if he is not a Christian. Though don't forget his grandma, she was a Christian and she is the real bedrock of his whirlwind early life. His grandma dying just before the 2008 election, that was a big deal too.
Obama's no longer president, so it don't matter too much, but I will hold hope he is a Christian even if a weak one, and who knows, maybe in his post-presidency he can go further into that. Obama may still prove useful to both myself, my people the Americans, even the foreigners, and of course God still even though he is no longer under the yoke of the American government, which is very secularistic, even the most secularistic than any other nation in this entire world and this current time. He had some secularistic traits indeed, and so does Trump, it comes with the job unfortunately.
Reading the Koran don't make you a muslim, I've read and I can tell you verily many a muslims in my debates with them have threatened me with fatwas and other vain wind threats that I laughed at. I am not sure if you have read it or not as you know much about Islam, but if you have I don't think you a muslim either.
As for his upbringing yea that's what I meaning he was begotten of a muslim, abandoned by him, raised with another muslim in a muslim country, abandoned of him too. He had his mom too whom he loved a lot and she was an atheist. I'd be more convinced he'd tend towards hers more if he is not a Christian. Though don't forget his grandma, she was a Christian and she is the real bedrock of his whirlwind early life. His grandma dying just before the 2008 election, that was a big deal too.
Obama's no longer president, so it don't matter too much, but I will hold hope he is a Christian even if a weak one, and who knows, maybe in his post-presidency he can go further into that. Obama may still prove useful to both myself, my people the Americans, even the foreigners, and of course God still even though he is no longer under the yoke of the American government, which is very secularistic, even the most secularistic than any other nation in this entire world and this current time. He had some secularistic traits indeed, and so does Trump, it comes with the job unfortunately.
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We don't need excuses we just need to be honest. I like you a lot Darlene and I am sorry if anything I said hurt you. The whole political thing, is polarizing. Your country is almost evenly divided according to the last vote, and that means that if one person slags those they disagree with they are talking down to half the rest of the country, and yet many of those out protesting and such do not think at all about the feelings of those they continually put down, calling people racist simply because they want to protect their borders, same as they did during Brexit while Muslims freely rape and roam across Europe, storming borders and forcefully entering countries while being protected by the political correctness that makes it a crime to say Muslims are committing most of these rapes etc. Many of the things said against Trump, my goodness, they were calling him a failure before he even took office, how is that being fair to the man? And those same people who call him names like a pig or whatever, leveling all manner of nastiness at him, turn around and make comments about raping and murdering his wife, and saying the most vicious things about his children while acting as if they are entitled to their view while others are not entitled to theirs. It reached proportions beyond ridiculous long ago, but the deceived cannot even admit they were deceived by the media when it was the media that was telling them that Hilary was going to win.
They are 6 of the 7 countries the NeoCons set out
to turn into terrorist hotbeds.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/we-re-...q-syria-lebanon-libya-somalia-sudan-iran/5166
Yemen is in, Lebanon out of that list.
I take it a little personally when people insult Mr Trump. Simply because there were so many lies about him from the get go. So much mocking and so much abuse by people concerning himself and his family. His life is an open book yet people still made stuff up about him. In an interview I saw him say that he might not ever get to see one of the golf courses that he loves so much again. He is serving this country with great personal sacrifice. Who can you honestly say that about with past president and never members of congressz for that matter? I bet he doesn't run for a second term because he is a humble honorable man.
Reading the Koran is not studying the Koran. I think it matters because he set out to deceive the American public and he did just that. You may sweep it under the rug claiming it is all over and done but his eight years in office proves a lot to people watching, look at how much things have changed, gosh, as I said before, twenty some years ago when Clinton was taking office he received a standing ovation for forcefully speaking out against illegal aliens, taking a strong stand on keeping them out and if that failed then deporting them. A standing ovation! Now you get called a racist for wanting to uphold the same values of keeping your countries resources and services for tax paying citizens, and not anyone who decides to crash your borders and take up residence illegally. A wall is in place but fails in keeping them out, so what should you do? Tear down the wall or have it improved if possible so it can better do what it was designed for in the first place? There is some kind of madness going on to think the doors should be flung open to whomever wants to come for whatever reason.