Gods role in proving himself to non believers

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kaylagrl

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Yeah I agree I dont consider myself a christian.

I really dont understand what you mean by personal relationship. Could you expand on that please.

Has there been a point in your life where you asked God into your heart. Have you ever said "Im a sinner I know Jesus died for my sin,I need your help to live differently,please forgive me and help me be a new person" That is the first step Id like to ask you about,have you done that?
 

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Yeah as a child I do recall doing something similar to that on more than one occasion. I tended to ask forgiveness for everything.
 

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For those of us who no longer believe in god. I'm curious why god does not do more to convince skeptics that he does exist. A lot of us are comfortable with the idea of a god but after going to church we just cannot believe that god is real. I guess we could just say we do, but that doesn't seem right either.
are ye a sinner?
 
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kaylagrl

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Yeah as a child I do recall doing something similar to that on more than one occasion. I tended to ask forgiveness for everything.
Yes, a lot of us do as children. But have you as an adult? You know God has promised to reveal Himself to those that ask. May I ask when your faith seemed to fade?
 

chickenkiller

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Yes, a lot of us do as children. But have you as an adult? You know God has promised to reveal Himself to those that ask. May I ask when your faith seemed to fade?
About 8 years ago I was into Christianity. Even though I didn't really know why.It was just something I did not question. Even though I felt no real connection to a god. I started talking to people about their beliefs. This led me to look into my own beliefs. I read different religious texts. Ive read a lot of different stuff, I like reading about different religions. Its very interesting. After a few years of research I have come to accept I don't believe in a creator. But who knows I might some day.
 
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Ummmm, actually he has done quite a bit to prove his existence...

A) Day unto day utters speech
B) Night unto night sets forth knowledge
C) No language or voice that is beyond comprehension
D) the invisible things also testify to the power of God and the Godhead
E) Unto every man has been dealt a measure of faith (the ability to believe)
F) He sent 40 plus authors over 1600 years to give the scripture
G) He testified dia miracles, signs and wonders (1st century A.D.)
H) He has built in conscience as a divine spark of right and wrong
I) The history of Israel gives weight to the validity of God
J) His Spirit convicts and convinces dia a still small voice prodding one to believe
K) The heavens declare the glory of God

There is ample proof for those honest with the facts........
 
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chickenkiller

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Ummmm, actually he has done quite a bit to prove his existence...

A) Day unto day utters speech
B) Night unto night sets forth knowledge
C) No language or voice that is beyond comprehension
D) the invisible things also testify to the power of God and the Godhead
E) Unto every man has been dealt a measure of faith (the ability to believe)
F) He sent 40 plus authors over 1600 years to give the scripture
G) He testified dia miracles, signs and wonders (1st century A.D.)
H) He has built in conscience as a divine spark of right and wrong
I) The history of Israel gives weight to the validity of God
J) His Spirit convicts and convinces dia a still small voice prodding one to believe
K) The heavens declare the glory of God

There is ample proof for those honest with the facts........
Im sorry what is this information? I am game to read further on it, but im not sure what it is.
 
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kaylagrl

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About 8 years ago I was into Christianity. Even though I didn't really know why.It was just something I did not question. Even though I felt no real connection to a god. I started talking to people about their beliefs. This led me to look into my own beliefs. I read different religious texts. Ive read a lot of different stuff, I like reading about different religions. Its very interesting. After a few years of research I have come to accept I don't believe in a creator. But who knows I might some day.
If I recommended a few books would you read them since you like to read? :) Lee Strobel has several great books. He is the opposite of your story. He was an atheist and became a Christian after searching out God. The books I have read are "The Case for a Creator" "The Case for Christ" and "The Case for Faith" they are all really interesting reads,you wont be disappointed. Heres a link...

Books | Lee Strobel


Also a longer read but still really interesting is "Evidence that Demands a Verdict" by Josh Mc Dowell

https://www.amazon.com/Evidence-Demands-Questions-Challenging-Christians/dp/0785243631


Also C.S. Lewis' writings are amazing and if you check out Ravi Zacharias on youtube he will make you really think and ask some deep questions.


There I gave you homework! lol You know if there is a God then there is a devil who doesn't want you to find out the truth. I hope you check out one of these books or videos. I think it may make you think twice about what you think you know ;)
 
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Im sorry what is this information? I am game to read further on it, but im not sure what it is.
Hey CK.....they are all based upon verses of scripture and or history....for example....

Psalm 19:1-4
1) The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
2)Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3) There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
4) Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world.

Romans 1

18) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19) Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21) Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22) Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Everything I posted is based upon scripture bro....and or biblical truths
 

chickenkiller

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If I recommended a few books would you read them since you like to read? :) Lee Strobel has several great books. He is the opposite of your story. He was an atheist and became a Christian after searching out God. The books I have read are "The Case for a Creator" "The Case for Christ" and "The Case for Faith" they are all really interesting reads,you wont be disappointed. Heres a link...

Books | Lee Strobel


Also a longer read but still really interesting is "Evidence that Demands a Verdict" by Josh Mc Dowell

https://www.amazon.com/Evidence-Demands-Questions-Challenging-Christians/dp/0785243631


Also C.S. Lewis' writings are amazing and if you check out Ravi Zacharias on youtube he will make you really think and ask some deep questions.


There I gave you homework! lol You know if there is a God then there is a devil who doesn't want you to find out the truth. I hope you check out one of these books or videos. I think it may make you think twice about what you think you know ;)
I agree the Lee Strobel books are really good. I have the case for christ in my desk at work. Ill have to check out that evidence book hopefully its on kindle. Thanks for the chat!!
 

chickenkiller

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Hey CK.....they are all based upon verses of scripture and or history....for example....

Psalm 19:1-4
1) The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
2)Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3) There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
4) Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world.

Romans 1

18) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19) Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21) Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22) Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Everything I posted is based upon scripture bro....and or biblical truths
Thanks feller
 
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kaylagrl

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I agree the Lee Strobel books are really good. I have the case for christ in my desk at work. Ill have to check out that evidence book hopefully its on kindle. Thanks for the chat!!
I hope you do check it out and with an open mind. If you seek God promises you will find. If you find the book or anything else I recommended and want to chat let me know. You're welcome for the chat. I figured you had arguments covered in the other thread. ;)
 

chickenkiller

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Yeah I really didnt sign up to fight. lol. I figured it would be a good place to share my thoughts and ask some questions.

Ill read that evidence book tomorrow. Looking interesting.
 

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About 8 years ago I was into Christianity. Even though I didn't really know why.It was just something I did not question. Even though I felt no real connection to a god. I started talking to people about their beliefs. This led me to look into my own beliefs. I read different religious texts. Ive read a lot of different stuff, I like reading about different religions. Its very interesting. After a few years of research I have come to accept I don't believe in a creator. But who knows I might some day.
It is good for you to question your beliefs. A luke cool believer is not one that pleases God, believing haphazardly or disinterestedly. Better by far to be authentic. You do seem to have a heart that desires to seek after God, yet have come to the conclusion He does not exist? May I ask how you believe the universe came into being?

Just a quick mention here on Lee Strobel (following up on some of what Kayla has said and suggested), because Lee set out to prove God does not exist, but came to believe in God's existence instead, because the more he sought to disprove God's existence, the more the truth of God's existence was revealed to him.

It seems to me what is lacking for you is some personal revelation of God to you, something that would really open your heart to Him
more, as opposed to simply having a mind willing to look into possibilities (even while you so compassionately serve those less fortunate than you). Do you pray? I earnestly entreat you to begin praying if you do not. You may feel foolish, I have heard it often, how silly people felt praying to they knew not what, but a simple prayer can avail much. Get down on your knees on a regular basis, and humbly ask God to reveal Himself to you :)
 

chickenkiller

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Scientists know how the universe was created but it still doesn't answer all the questions that we might have. As a caver I understand evolution and how long the earth has been around. If anyone would like to see evolution at work I recommend visiting a cave. Its an amazing experience.

I do pray occasionally, but I dont really believe in a certain god so I am not really sure which one to pick. So i would say it does feel a bit odd.
 
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kaylagrl

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Scientists know how the universe was created but it still doesn't answer all the questions that we might have. As a caver I understand evolution and how long the earth has been around. If anyone would like to see evolution at work I recommend visiting a cave. Its an amazing experience.

I do pray occasionally, but I dont really believe in a certain god so I am not really sure which one to pick. So i would say it does feel a bit odd.

Well Id start with praying to the God who gave up His life for you,but thats just me ;)
 

Magenta

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Scientists know how the universe was created but it still doesn't answer all the questions that we might have. As a caver I understand evolution and how long the earth has been around. If anyone would like to see evolution at work I recommend visiting a cave. Its an amazing experience.

I do pray occasionally, but I dont really believe in a certain god so I am not really sure which one to pick. So i would say it does feel a bit odd.
Scientists have concocted many stories on origins, and they have theories and hypotheses galore, but proofs are for math and alcohol :D Yes, the meaning and purpose of life cannot be adequately addressed or answered with the periodic table of elements. Science is fascinating, though, as a study of the natural world, and the application of scientific knowledge via medicine and technology etc has benefited society much. The scientific method was in fact developed originally by Christians :) However, it is your spirit we wish you to attend to. Do you have spiritual beliefs? By that I mean, do you allow for the mystery of life that science may never be able to explain? Do you ponder such things as the existence and meaning of soul?
 
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It appears that you need a personal experience with the Lord, you seem to see God as only someone on the pages of a book. I wish I could tell you that if you asked God what He wants you to do that God will speak to you...maybe He will and maybe God has another way...I do believe that if you ask the God of the bible to make Himself obvious to you that He will.
 

chickenkiller

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Scientists have concocted many stories on origins, and they have theories and hypotheses galore, but proofs are for math and alcohol :D Yes, the meaning and purpose of life cannot be adequately addressed or answered with the periodic table of elements. Science is fascinating, though, as a study of the natural world, and the application of scientific knowledge via medicine and technology etc has benefited society much. The scientific method was in fact developed originally by Christians :) However, it is your spirit we wish you to attend to. Do you have spiritual beliefs? By that I mean, do you allow for the mystery of life that science may never be able to explain? Do you ponder such things as the existence and meaning of soul?
I wont argue with what you said about theorys on origins. Its just the theory I am most comfortable with.

I am fascinated with the supernatural. I really enjoy ghost tours, things like that. Books about hauntings, demon possession, witchcraft, spells. All of that is pretty interesting. Do i believe any of it is real. Not really.
 

Magenta

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I wont argue with what you said about theorys on origins. Its just the theory I am most comfortable with.

I am fascinated with the supernatural. I really enjoy ghost tours, things like that. Books about hauntings, demon possession, witchcraft, spells. All of that is pretty interesting. Do i believe any of it is real. Not really.
Interesting :) You are an interesting specimen Mr Chicken Killer :D Haha. Seriously, though, have you ever had anything of a paranormal experience? I wonder what drives this fascination if you believe none of it? Sounds a rather morbid curiosity without some inclination to discover the truth of any of it. You are trying to uncover something. Do you record your dreams?