*********Life can be torturous at times----Main Reason for the Thread is to encourage diligence and obedience----Heard one preacher say----"No Pain---No Pain"------his philosophy was---do it right---do it God's way---we can avoid a lot of problems that we are experiencing and have encountered--------what's your thoughts----got some advice for the younger brothers and sisters---so they can "avoid" some torturous problems...