BEHOLD, THE BRIDEGROOM COMETH

abcdef · Feb 5, 2017

Try this,

Take a passage like Rev ch 17, which is obviously symbolic and says what the symbols are,

And try to keep the meaning symbolic all the way through the passage.

Can we switch from symbolic to literal, in the middle of the passage?

or from literal to symbolic?

The symbols represent literal events and entities.

Are the symbols themselves literal?

Try the word wilderness in Rev 17:3,

Is it a literal wilderness, as in jungle, or the middle of nowhere?

Or is there another meaning, one that is symbolic and doesn't actually mean a place where no one else is?

The meaning is not fully described in this passage,

What do you think?

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abcdef · Feb 5, 2017

Dan 9:25, "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks."

69 weeks.

The Messiah arrives at the beginning of the 69 weeks.

Killed after 3 1/2 years.

tanakh · Feb 6, 2017

Then the seventh Angel blew his trumpet, and there was loud voices in Heaven, saying ''The kingdom of the world has now become the kingdom of our Lord and his Christ, and he shall reign for ever and ever. And the Twenty Four Elders fell on their faces and worshiped God, saying ''We give thanks to thee, Lord God Almighty , who art and who was that thou has taken thy great power and began to reign The nations raged but thy wrath came and the time for the dead to be judged for rewarding thy servants the Prophets and Saints and those who fear thy name both small and great and for destroying the destroyers of the Earth''

REV 11: 15 -18 RSV

When people say peace and security, then sudden destruction will come upon them as travail comes upon a woman with child and there will be no escape

1 Thess 5: 3 RSV

But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the elements will be dissolved with fire and the Earth and the works that are upon it will be burnt up. Since these things are thus to be dissolved what sort of persons ought you to be in lives and holiness and Godliness waiting for and hastening the coming of day of the God because of which the heavens will be kindled and dissolved and the elements will melt with fire. But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new Earth in which righteousness dwells.

2 Peter:10 - 13 RSV

Immediately after the tribulation of those days the Sun will be darkened and the Moon will not give its light and the stars will fall from heaven, and then will appear the sign of the Son of Man and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory and he will send out his Angels with a loud trumpet call and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Matt 24: 29 31 RSV

The Feast of Trumpets, Yom Kippur and Tabernacles are all celebrated in quick succession during the latter half of the Jewish Year. They are all connected with the second coming. From these and other verses I believe the rapture happens during the feast of trumpets and the wrath of God is poured out during the ten days following Yom Kippur. Tabernacles is celebrated by those living on the new earth after the Antichrist and the nations are defeated at Armageddon. There is no Pre Trib or Mid Trib rapture it happens after the Tribulation period as Jesus stated.

abcdef · Feb 6, 2017

tanakh said:

There are only 2 resurrections 1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24.

This passage shows the 2nd or last resurrection.

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"the kingdom of this world has now become the kingdom of our Lord and his Christ"

This points to the stone striking the statue of Dan. 2:44.

The only kingdom that is left after the stone strikes is Christ's kingdom.

The chaff is blown away, which is the souls of unbelievers, (also see Rev 20:11)

And the wheat is harvested to the "new earth", the stone fills, "becomes" the new earth.

Then eternity.

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When people say peace and security, then sudden destruction will come upon them as travail comes upon a woman with child and there will be no escape

1 Thess 5: 3 RSV

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Day of the Lord, v 2,

But which "Day of the Lord"?

There were several, Babylon, Egypt, Edom, etc., all using similar symbolic language to describe the events.

There is also a Day of the Lord against Jerusalem Acts 2:16-21, and a final Day of the Lord against the world Rev 20:9.

The destruction of Jerusalem was probably only 20 years away at the time of this writting, approx..

The Apostles knew that the dest. had to happen before their generation had past Lk:21:32,

So they were warning those around them that the destruction of Jerusalem was imminent,

Which would be followed by the times of the gentiles.

But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the elements will be dissolved with fire and the Earth and the works that are upon it will be burnt up. Since these things are thus to be dissolved what sort of persons ought you to be in lives and holiness and Godliness waiting for and hastening the coming of day of the God because of which the heavens will be kindled and dissolved and the elements will melt with fire. But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new Earth in which righteousness dwells.

2 Peter:10 - 13 RSV

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Rev 20:9, the fire from heaven.

WHY, WHY, WHY, WHAT IS THE REASON, THAT JESUS DESTROYS THIS PLANET ?

Because when Magog Rev 20, surrounds restored to Israel Jerusalem,

Magog Kills Israel !

If the planet were allowed to continue, the small remnant of Israel would be absorbed into the gentile nations over time and cease to be a unique genetic race (descendants of Jacob). (best guess)

That is the sweet bitter scroll of the 2 witnesses.

We finally know the mystery of the end times, but they are bitter (deadly poison), Israel on this planet dies.

Cain kills Abel, Judas chooses Satan, this world chooses to kill Israel and reject Jesus as the Son of God And Savior.

So this planet will end, and eternity will begin,

Perhaps only months or a few years away.

Immediately after the tribulation of those days the Sun will be darkened and the Moon will not give its light and the stars will fall from heaven, and then will appear the sign of the Son of Man and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory and he will send out his Angels with a loud trumpet call and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Matt 24: 29 31 RSV

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Matt 24, is primarily about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 ad.

The misunderstanding comes from the similar language used in both descriptions of the Day of the Lord against Jerusalem and the end of this planet, the final Day of the Lord.

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The "times of the gentiles" mentioned in Lk21:20-24, is the time from 70 ad until 1967 when Israel was restored to Jerusalem.

This verse (Matt) MAY refer to the ending of that time period.

In my opinion, if that were the case,

Then the trumpet would be the 5th trumpet,

5, the number of division or separation (10 virgins, 5 wise, 5 foolish).

This trumpet calls for Israel to begin separating from the gentile nations and returning to Israel and Jerusalem.

This would be 1929.

The released from the abyss, spirits of Caesar and Rome, participated in driving Israel from Europe and Russia, back to Israel to restore Jerusalem.

In the 5th trumpet no direction was given to the spirits (men),

But in the 6th trumpet, they come across the Euphrates to attack, headed for Jerusalem,

Restored to Israel Jerusalem.

So the idea would be that Jerusalem is restored to Israel, between the 5th and 6th trumpet.

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Some think that the trumpet of Matt 24 is The Day of Pentecost,

But this trumpet comes after the trib. of v 29, and a sign.

Is the sign the surrounding of Jerusalem by Rome? Lk 21:20.

Pentecost came before the dest of Jeru. not after.

So the thought might be, that the sign of His coming for the resurrection would be the restoration of Jerusalem to Israel.

The Feast of Trumpets, Yom Kippur and Tabernacles are all celebrated in quick succession during the latter half of the Jewish Year. They are all connected with the second coming. From these and other verses I believe the rapture happens during the feast of trumpets

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I remember reading with interest several posts you made on this possibility.

I believe that these all point to Christ and give us insight into His will.

I don't usually take too much worry over comets or planet alignment as signs.

But the 4 blood moons do seem to be worth thinking about.

What I have thought, is that this sign, if it is one, does not indicate an immediate recognition of events that take place after it has occurred,

That is, the sign is just the very beginning of events that may take years to evolve into recognizable prophetic fulfillment..

and the wrath of God is poured out during the ten days following Yom Kippur.

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When the fire from heaven comes, after the 2nd resurrection, Rev 20,

There won't be anyone left alive.

And I'll see you in heaven.

Tabernacles is celebrated by those living on the new earth

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The new earth is completely spiritual,

nothing material.

There will be A LOT of celebrating when we get there.

after the Antichrist and the nations are defeated at Armageddon.

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Israel is defeated, that is the bitter poison.

The 6th trumpet tells how Israel is defeated.

By the army of 200 mill.

There just won't be enough bullets, rocket or bombs to stop them, Magog and the Kings of the East.

Remember that Israel is one of the smallest of nations.

It has many enemies even within it's own borders ready to strike,

Some just across the street, in Jerusalem and other cities.

Will Israel defeat the combined forces of Iran, Iraq, the Kurds (yes them too), Egypt, Libya, Turkey, Lebanon, Gaza, West Bank, Hezbollah, Russia and others?

Israel has won previous wars.

But this time with Iraq "dried up" (Rev 16:12), Iran's forces will win, a fulfillment of prophecy,

(they are already building bases in Syria, and already have militias in place, it's only a matter of time now)

There is no Pre Trib or Mid Trib rapture it happens after the Tribulation period as Jesus stated.

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The great trib., 70 ad until 1967, the 2nd, 3 1/2 times.

(the 1st, 3 1/2 times is from the angel in Babylon in Dan. ch 12, until the power of the holy people is scattered in 70 ad)

The 7 times is the same time as the statue of Dan. 2, which shows the time from Babylon, until Israel is restored to Jerusalem.

tanakh · Feb 7, 2017

abcdef said:

There are only 2 resurrections 1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24.

This passage shows the 2nd or last resurrection.

--

"the kingdom of this world has now become the kingdom of our Lord and his Christ"

This points to the stone striking the statue of Dan. 2:44.

The only kingdom that is left after the stone strikes is Christ's kingdom.

The chaff is blown away, which is the souls of unbelievers, (also see Rev 20:11)

And the wheat is harvested to the "new earth", the stone fills, "becomes" the new earth.

Then eternity.

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Day of the Lord, v 2,

But which "Day of the Lord"?

There were several, Babylon, Egypt, Edom, etc., all using similar symbolic language to describe the events.

There is also a Day of the Lord against Jerusalem Acts 2:16-21, and a final Day of the Lord against the world Rev 20:9.

The destruction of Jerusalem was probably only 20 years away at the time of this writting, approx..

The Apostles knew that the dest. had to happen before their generation had past Lk:21:32,

So they were warning those around them that the destruction of Jerusalem was imminent,

Which would be followed by the times of the gentiles.

Rev 20:9, the fire from heaven.

WHY, WHY, WHY, WHAT IS THE REASON, THAT JESUS DESTROYS THIS PLANET ?

Because when Magog Rev 20, surrounds restored to Israel Jerusalem,

Magog Kills Israel !

If the planet were allowed to continue, the small remnant of Israel would be absorbed into the gentile nations over time and cease to be a unique genetic race (descendants of Jacob). (best guess)

That is the sweet bitter scroll of the 2 witnesses.

We finally know the mystery of the end times, but they are bitter (deadly poison), Israel on this planet dies.

Cain kills Abel, Judas chooses Satan, this world chooses to kill Israel and reject Jesus as the Son of God And Savior.

So this planet will end, and eternity will begin,

Perhaps only months or a few years away.

Matt 24, is primarily about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 ad.

The misunderstanding comes from the similar language used in both descriptions of the Day of the Lord against Jerusalem and the end of this planet, the final Day of the Lord.

-----

The "times of the gentiles" mentioned in Lk21:20-24, is the time from 70 ad until 1967 when Israel was restored to Jerusalem.

This verse (Matt) MAY refer to the ending of that time period.

In my opinion, if that were the case,

Then the trumpet would be the 5th trumpet,

5, the number of division or separation (10 virgins, 5 wise, 5 foolish).

This trumpet calls for Israel to begin separating from the gentile nations and returning to Israel and Jerusalem.

This would be 1929.

The released from the abyss, spirits of Caesar and Rome, participated in driving Israel from Europe and Russia, back to Israel to restore Jerusalem.

In the 5th trumpet no direction was given to the spirits (men),

But in the 6th trumpet, they come across the Euphrates to attack, headed for Jerusalem,

Restored to Israel Jerusalem.

So the idea would be that Jerusalem is restored to Israel, between the 5th and 6th trumpet.

--

Some think that the trumpet of Matt 24 is The Day of Pentecost,

But this trumpet comes after the trib. of v 29, and a sign.

Is the sign the surrounding of Jerusalem by Rome? Lk 21:20.

Pentecost came before the dest of Jeru. not after.

So the thought might be, that the sign of His coming for the resurrection would be the restoration of Jerusalem to Israel.

I remember reading with interest several posts you made on this possibility.

I believe that these all point to Christ and give us insight into His will.

I don't usually take too much worry over comets or planet alignment as signs.

But the 4 blood moons do seem to be worth thinking about.

What I have thought, is that this sign, if it is one, does not indicate an immediate recognition of events that take place after it has occurred,

That is, the sign is just the very beginning of events that may take years to evolve into recognizable prophetic fulfillment..

When the fire from heaven comes, after the 2nd resurrection, Rev 20,

There won't be anyone left alive.

And I'll see you in heaven.

The new earth is completely spiritual,

nothing material.

There will be A LOT of celebrating when we get there.

Israel is defeated, that is the bitter poison.

The 6th trumpet tells how Israel is defeated.

By the army of 200 mill.

There just won't be enough bullets, rocket or bombs to stop them, Magog and the Kings of the East.

Remember that Israel is one of the smallest of nations.

It has many enemies even within it's own borders ready to strike,

Some just across the street, in Jerusalem and other cities.

Will Israel defeat the combined forces of Iran, Iraq, the Kurds (yes them too), Egypt, Libya, Turkey, Lebanon, Gaza, West Bank, Hezbollah, Russia and others?

Israel has won previous wars.

But this time with Iraq "dried up" (Rev 16:12), Iran's forces will win, a fulfillment of prophecy,

(they are already building bases in Syria, and already have militias in place, it's only a matter of time now)

The great trib., 70 ad until 1967, the 2nd, 3 1/2 times.

(the 1st, 3 1/2 times is from the angel in Babylon in Dan. ch 12, until the power of the holy people is scattered in 70 ad)

The 7 times is the same time as the statue of Dan. 2, which shows the time from Babylon, until Israel is restored to Jerusalem.

I go along with some of what you say but not all of it. One thing I believe is that present day Israel is a deception. The Bible teaches that for the Jewish people to return to the land in peace they have to be obedient to God. If Satan can trick the world into believing in the Antichrist it wouldn't be very difficult for him to create a false Israel. Israel certainly has no peace and still rejects Jesus as their Messiah. This is difficult for many to consider because they have believed in
Dispensationalism

garee · Feb 7, 2017

Hi abcdefg thanks for the reply. I will try and explain my position.

I approach the scriptures remembering the prescription given to us, that without parables Christ spoke not to the multitude (Everyone) this is believers who have the faith of Christ ,as well as those who have no faith.The generation of Adam the strange woman

Therefore Christ, the Holy Spirit reveals his spiritual understanding, not seen (the faith principle) to those who do have the Spirit of Christ, and hides it from natural man (no faith)

From that standpoint it works the best for me.

While other might say if the first sense makes sense dismiss the parable prescription. This is even though there is no mention of that kind of prescription and is why we seek out the spiritual understanding in all cases.

Revelation 17 is all one parable that speaks of the other woman, the strange woman, and stranger from the promises of God not the heavenly city (Christ's chaste virgin bride) not seen.

She would be under the authority of the father of lies as natural man. She makes up all the kingdoms of this world as those who know not Christ.

In the passage below we are given an example. Mountains or hills are used in parables to represent all the religions, as sects of this world , and the glory as "outward expression" of that seen (the temporal) with our eyes.

Because they must walk by sight and not by the faith of Christ, as it is written we look for the spiritual understanding..

Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Mat 4:8

Keeping in mind when we do look for that understanding hid from the lost we should follow the prescription so that we can look to the eternal not seen (the faith principle) and not the temporal, as that seen. The temporal are avenues of the father of lies. (1John 2:16) Again they make up the strange woman in Revelation 17 .

For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 1John 2:16

I offer what I believe is the prescription below . It is designed to help us finding the spiritual understanding it applies to all parables.

For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory; While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which "are seen" are temporal; but the things which are "not seen" are eternal. 2Co 4:17

I think in that way we can search out the true glory not seen it would make up the chaste virgin bride. She has not fornicated with the gods of this world as an outward glory.

She as the chaste virgin bride is pictured in Revelation 12 :1-2 She is made up of many lively stones that do form her, the spiritual house the church.

And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; Rev 21:9

No it could destroy the meaning of the parable

They use literal words to give us the spiritual understanding.

It think it describes a place where all believers, as the chaste virgin bride abide. They would be following the prescription in Corinthians 4:17 which I have offered above . They walk by faith and not by sight, "glorying in the things not seen" the eternal.

By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. Heb 11:9-10
These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. Heb 11:13-14

The new heavenly Jerusalem the bride of Christ.

abcdef · Feb 7, 2017

tanakh said:

What nation in Dan 2, lasts until the stone strikes?

Why do people try to change the identity of the iron legs, into some other nation ?

That is the key to understanding the beast nation, it is Rome.

I'm not so sure.

I believe that the natural branches (in Israel today), are blessed because of the promises to the fathers, not because of anything that the people living there today have done.

The peace that we all are looking for is only found in Jesus, a spiritual peace with Jesus and the Father.

The people in Israel can have that peace like anyone who obeys the gospel.

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I'm not sure that they accept Jesus at all, as a nation, before the end comes.

There could be many conversions before the end, but not the whole nation, (best guess).

Who (nation), is the legs of iron that last until the stone strikes?

Caesar worship did create a false Israel, the RCC.

They say that they are the only true church (Israel).

But not everyone there.

There are many who have accepted Jesus.

I don't expect the whole nation to convert.

There is no real peace in this world anyway, only in Jesus.

What if the whole nation did convert,

Would they have peace in this world then? With Iran, etc..

True, true.

The restoration of Israel to Jerusalem has changed the prophetic landscape.

If Israel had not been restored, they would have a pretty good position,

But Israel's reality has put different possibilities in the equation.

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Ahwatukee · Feb 7, 2017

Hello abcdef,

I say this in all truthfulness and for your understanding. You need to pay attention to the details of scripture. Nebuchadnezzar's statue stands for all human government represented by Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome, which is represented by the legs of iron. There is an extension of that kingdom of iron that is still future described as feet with ten toes made of partly iron and partly baked clay. The iron in the feet tells us that this coming ten-toed kingdom is made up partly of the previous kingdom having some iron in it, but will not have the strength that it once did when it was pure irone, which is represented by the baked clay.

Therefore, the Rock is not falling on the legs of iron as you said, which was Rome in its previous full power, but the Rock falls upon the feet of the statue, which will be that extended kingdom of partly iron and partly baked clay.

Also, Ezekiel 38-39 reveals that God is going to put hooks in the jaw of Gog and Magog and all of the nations with them and drag them down to attack His people Israel. And without Israel even lifting a weapon, God himself is going to slaughter Gog, Magog and all the nations with them on the mountains of Israel to display his power and glory. Every man's sword will be against his own brother. Seeing that God will protect His people Israel in this way, do you actually believe that He will allow Israel to be destroyed by Iran after protecting them? What would be the purpose of protecting them from Gog and Magog and all of those nations, only to allow Iran to destroy them afterwards?

Also, by claiming that Israel will be destroyed, you are ignoring Rev.12:6,14, which states that the woman/Israel will be cared for out in the wilderness for 1260 days, which is that last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period. At some point during the time that Israel flees and before Christ returns to the earth to end the age at the end of that 3 1/2 years, Israel will say "blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord."

"I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, and in this way all Israel will be saved"

"As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

abcdef · Feb 8, 2017

Ahwatukee said:

Thank you Brother, you have shown me some mistakes that I have made in the past.

Please continue to help us all find the truth of God's will.

Do you have a verse that says this? Maybe I missed it.

These are nations that rule over Israel, this is all about Israel.

Jerusalem is the center of the world.

There is only Israel, and not Israel.

Israel is taken from Jerusalem to captivity in Babylon at the time of this dream.

The people want to know, how long until they are restored to control of Jerusalem?

They stature is the answer.

They will be ruled by the nations of the statue until they rule Jerusalem.

(After they are restored and the statue is finished, the stone strikes)

FEET AND IRON TOES ALSO

Future?

What is the iron legs right now?

What nation is the iron legs at this present time?

If you say that the toes are future, we must still be under the power of the Roman Empire, But where is it?

WHO IS IT AT THIS PRESENT TIME?

This is true but the iron is still in control at the time of the toes.

It still has the strength to "support" the rest of the standing statue.

The legs, feet, and toes, the iron, are ALL ONE SOLID PIECE.

There is no real change in the iron, only that non-Roman nations rule over Israel as the clay.

Rome, is Rome, is Rome, is Rome.

This Roman Empire, Caesar/BoR, Caesar worship, can be the ONLY answer.

Why do you want to change the meaning of the iron at the end?

Ezek 38-39 is history.

They literally burn the weapons for firewood Ezek 39:9-10.

Antiochus?

Not accepting Jesus as Messiah and King?

We are at Rev 20:8-9, not waiting for the events of Rev to begin.

Why does Jesus destroy the earth with the fire from heaven? (then they fly away v 11)

This is what we are facing at this present time.

After Israel's defeat in the valley of Armageddon, (coming soon)

You and I will probably see Jerusalem fall to Iran and it's allies (Magog).

Then you will realize FOR SURE, that there is not going to be another times of the gentiles,

When no one escapes the genocide.

70 ad-1967, the 2nd half of the gentile rule over Jerusalem, the times of the gentiles Lk 21:20-24, the 2nd half of the statue.

This is another sign that this world is ending.

But we may not see Israel convert as a whole nation, only some.

That could be the reason that Jesus allows their demise, (guessing), Rev 9:20-21, If they repented, then they would be accepting Jesus, implied.

This is why Israel is a nation today, because of God's mercy and promises.

abcdef · Feb 10, 2017

The 7 seals and the 7 trumpets, together, are the story of the little scroll.

The little scroll was seen sealed, until the after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 ad., power of the holy people scattered Dan. 12.

This time between the statement of the angel in Babylon and 70 ad., was the 1st 3 1/2 t's.

The 2nd 3 1/2 t's, is from 70 ad. until 1967, when Israel was freed from Rome's power, when the natural branches were restored to Jerusalem.

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The opening of the little scroll seen in Revelation PROVES that the 1st 3 1/2 t's is passed and the requirements to open the scroll had been fulfilled.

The proof that the little book is open, is the fact that we can read it in Revelation,

The scroll has been opened since the letter was sent and read by the 7 churches.

The scroll tells the story of the 2 witnesses, it is the story of the natural branches from the destruction of the Jerusalem until they are restored to Jerusalem (2nd 3 1/2 t's) and then Jesus comes for the Kingdom.

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The 7 seals are from the rejection of the gospel until the dest of Jerrusalem, 6/7 seal, 70 ad.

The 1/2 hour of silence is the time between 70 ad and the Revelation.

The 7 trumpets are from the Rev until the coming of Jesus for the Pentecost Kingdom, and the end of this planet.

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The trumpets show the withdrawing of God's blessings on the natural branches for rejecting the Kingdom.

The symbols show that their relationship with God is "cut off", and it's spiritual consequences,

(Bitterness over Jerusalem's fall. Israel can't understand why God would destroy Jerusalem, why would He not protect them, after all, they followed the Law to the letter. The dest of Jerusalem was proof that Jesus was the Messiah, but even to this day, they are "blind" to this fact. May Jesus open their eyes, so that those who were once blind, may now see.)

In contrast, the true Pentecost Kingdom suffers pain in this world, but is not removed from God"s blessings as the natural branches are.

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The 1st 4 trumpets are poured out on the 4 parts of creation, Rev 14:7, please note that they are symbolic.

This would be the world of the natural branches and be in spiritual force where ever they went, until they accept Jesus, then the spiritual blessings of a relationship with God would be restored.

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The 5th trumpet shows the restoration of the 4th beast nation Dan. 7, Rome, in 1929.

The spiritual tormentors of the restored beast nation (Rome) attack the natural branches, and drive them out of the gentile nations back to Israel to restore Jerusalem.

The creatures are men.

The descriptions are of their spiritual attributes, children of Satan and members of his spiritual kingdom of darkness and deception, Roman antichrists, followers of their holy father Caesar/Bor.

Satanic, hiding and distorting the gospel kingdom message, so that human souls will not be saved, find the "death" (Rev 9:6) and resurrection that we share in Christ, salvation.

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The 6th trumpet follows the same symbolic understanding as the 5th trumpet.

The spiritual attributes of the men are what is described.

They originate from across the Euphrates and head toward Jerusalem, (happening now and continuing to the end,soon)

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The 7th trumpet is the LAST trumpet and the harvest of the Pentecost Kingdom souls, (all saved souls since the 1st resurrection).

GeorgieDog · Feb 10, 2017

I am Elijah the Prophet

abcdef · Feb 10, 2017

GeorgieDog said:

And.........

abcdef · Feb 10, 2017

The question that would follow the story of the 2 witnesses is, who is the beast nation that comes out of the abyss and kills the 2 witnesses, who are the natural branches restored to Jerusalem?

The answer is the 4th beast of Dan 7 and the iron legs of Dan. 2, Rome.

Rev ch 12 shows the Dragon with 7 heads and 10 horns v 3 (nations, Rev 17), Rome, invading Israel and waiting to devour the child, this is King Herod trying to kill Jesus at His birth.

Jesus is caught up to heaven Acts 1:9, and the war in heaven takes place.

Satan is thrown down to earth on Pentecost Rev 12:10, "Now is come....salvation...the kingdom of our God".

Satan destroys Jerusalem in 70 ad and chases the woman Israel into the wilderness for the times of the gentiles, or the 2nd 3 1/2t's. Lk 21:20-24

When the 3 1/2t's are finished, she, Israel is restored to Jerusalem.

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Rev ch 13, and ch 17, begin to further define the description of the 4th beast.

The 4th beast is shown in ch 13 as 2 beasts.

The sea beast rises out of the sea of the gentiles, Rev 17:15.

As the earth is above the sea, the earth beast is shown to be of a religious community.

The sea beast dies (Roman Empire), the religious beast makes an image (RCC).

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abcdef · Feb 11, 2017

Wake up ! Wake up !

Jesus is coming !

He will be here after Iran and it's allies Magog take Jerusalem.

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How long will it be?

I don't know, but everything is falling in place.

Even if it were 2 years, would that be a long time?

If it was 10 yrs, how long is that compared to history and eternity?

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Soon, we will stand before Him!

Soon eternity will begin and the door to the Ark will be shut.

Soon the joy of seeing His face will happen.

Get ready! Wake up ! Wake up ! Jesus is coming !

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It is not up to me, to bring the understanding to your mind,

I can only preach the scriptures.

It is the Holy Spirit that brings understanding of the scriptures,

Yes, Lord Jesus, let it be understood, let it be so.

popeye · Feb 11, 2017

abcdef said:

The question that would follow the story of the 2 witnesses is, who is the beast nation that comes out of the abyss and kills the 2 witnesses, who are the natural branches restored to Jerusalem?

The answer is the 4th beast of Dan 7 and the iron legs of Dan. 2, Rome.

Rev ch 12 shows the Dragon with 7 heads and 10 horns v 3 (nations, Rev 17), Rome, invading Israel and waiting to devour the child, this is King Herod trying to kill Jesus at His birth.

Jesus is caught up to heaven Acts 1:9, and the war in heaven takes place.

Satan is thrown down to earth on Pentecost Rev 12:10, "Now is come....salvation...the kingdom of our God".

Satan destroys Jerusalem in 70 ad and chases the woman Israel into the wilderness for the times of the gentiles, or the 2nd 3 1/2t's. Lk 21:20-24

When the 3 1/2t's are finished, she, Israel is restored to Jerusalem.

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Rev ch 13, and ch 17, begin to further define the description of the 4th beast.

The 4th beast is shown in ch 13 as 2 beasts.

The sea beast rises out of the sea of the gentiles, Rev 17:15.

As the earth is above the sea, the earth beast is shown to be of a religious community.

The sea beast dies (Roman Empire), the religious beast makes an image (RCC).

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This is all beast,Satan,earth centered.

The bride harvested is to the wedding feast ( Jesus' first miracle was at a wedding supper).

The rapture is a dimension of heaven and a bride.

abcdef · Feb 11, 2017

popeye said:

According to 1 Cor 15:23-28,

The kingdom is shown being delivered up to the Father after death is destroyed.

So the wedding cannot take place until after death is destroyed in Rev 20:14-15.

abcdef · Feb 13, 2017

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The 7 vials

The time line of the seven vials is the same as the 7 trumpets.

From the writing of the Revelation, until the end of the planet and heaven is shown. (enter the temple)

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The vials are the withdrawing of God's blessings on the men of the beast and their associates.

The withdrawing of blessings is seen as the vials being poured out.

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One key to understanding the vials is seen in Rev 15:8, "...and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled."

This implies that when this world is over, at the 7th vial, men Will be able to enter the temple of God in heaven.

This would parallel Rev 11:19, at the 7th/last trumpet, the ark of his testament is seen, (Jesus in the heart of the Father).

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Another key would be Rev 15:1, "...for in them is filled up the wrath of God."

No more wrath, because there is no more sin,

That would mean an end to the flesh and this planet, 1 John 2:16-17, 2 Cor 4:18.

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Try to maintain the symbolism all the way through the passage, Chs 15 & 16.

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The 1st 4 vials are poured out on all of creation, just as the 1st 4 trumpets are,

Earth, sea, fountains and rivers, sun (heavens), Rev 14:7.

So the men of the beast cannot escape where ever they are.

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I would like to point out, that the symbols used are 2000+ old, so it does take some thought to put them together.

But the symbols are generally related to the OT.

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V 1-2, The Earth. (Earth beast, Religion of Roman Empire, Caesar worship, presently the RCC)

The sores are on the souls of the men of the beast (4th, Iron legs).

They are murders and destroyers of God's people.

They know better than to destroy God's people, but they persist.

The pain and guilt on their souls is terrible but they won't repent.

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V 3, The Sea. (Sea beast, waters are people Rev 17:15, gentile nations of civil Rome)

Every living soul....Exactly what it says, symbolic.

The living souls are those who have a relationship with God, they are alive to God.

This seems to say, that during this time, the relationship to the living God will disappear among the gentile sea beast nations.

That would be, the true gospel is almost not found among the gentile nations, as a result of the persecution from Rome.

People cannot find the gospel to be saved.

Roman Empire, Dark ages, RCC.

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V 4-7, The Fountains and Rivers. (All blessings to maintain life, flow from the river of life, which flows from the throne of God, Jer 2:13)

The blessings of God come to us through His Word and Holy Spirit, food and drink of the spirit.

These men of the beast 4th, kill God's people who are the source of God's word to men.

How can they find God, when they have been killing all of the people who can lead them to Jesus?

So the flow of pure water that flows from God is corrupted for them,

They cannot find the true God, whose name is Love, because of their murders and lies.

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V 8-11 The Sun, The Heavens. (God's light to the world, symbolized as the sun, God's Word)

Roman Empire, RCC,

Reading the Bible, OT-NT, leads us to Jesus.

When the men of the beast are confronted with God's word, they read it, understand that God is love, but refuse to obey the gospel and be saved.

The RCC possessed the Bible, hid it, knew that what they were doing was wrong, but went ahead anyway, persecuting the true Pentecost Kingdom and the natural branches. Even to this day.

The true knowledge of God's word burned in their souls, but they will not repent.

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abcdef · Feb 13, 2017

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V 10, The 5th vial shows the opening of the abyss, in parallel with the 5th trumpet. (1929 Vatican/Rome restored)

The seat of the beast (4th,iron), Rome.

This is the place where the abyss opens.

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Darkness, What was the seat of the beast like before God's blessings were withdrawn and the darkness was shown?

It was in light, before it was darkened.

So Rome, the city of 7 hills, enjoyed God's blessings, in a way, until 1929 when Rome was restored as a nation.

After 1929, ALL HELL DID BREAK LOOSE, (locusts,murderers, liars, false teachers),

On the natural branches, driving them out of the gentile nations, back to restore Jerusalem,

And on the true Pentecost Kingdom.

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Tongues,

They preach God's love,

But hate the natural branches, and the true Pentecost Kingdom,

(Don't forget, you are a an apostate from the true church [Israel], the RCC, if you don't acknowledge the BoR as the holy father [God], you are not a Christian, and up to the last 100 years, could legally be killed in some places)

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V 12, 9/11/2001 was the 6th vial/trumpet,

It was the beginning of events that led to the drying up of the life and strength of the peoples in the Euphrates River area, Iraq. (Is 8:7-8, waters as strength)

It has now diminished to little, as the power of Iran, the Kings of the East increases, (winds of destruction, 6th trumpet).

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WE are here, this spot is where we are at right now !

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V 13, The dragon is shown to have 7 heads and 10 horns Rev 12:3, The nation Rome,with the spirit of Satan.

The beast is the 4th beast of Dan. 7 and iron legs of Dan. 2.

The false prophet is Caesar/Bishop of Rome. (man is god, holy father, worship the creation, Babylon)

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The lie that is spoken is probably an ancient one, as it is rooted in the Satanic base.

Israel is not God's people, and the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church (Israel). ( My best guess)

Or something like that.

After this statement is made, Iran and it's allies Magog, will attack Israel.

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Armageddon, The greatest war the world has ever seen, ending with the fall of Jerusalem and the death of Israel.

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V 17-21, Because Israel is killed, Jesus destroys this planet.

It is a great temptation to go literal here, can we?

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The earthquake is a change of position of men to God, earth to heaven.

This would show a change in that relationship so drastic, that the relationship, has not seen such a great change, since the COVENANT with Adam.

This change shows the harvest of souls.

The Covenant of Christ takes it's eternal form, separate from this material world.

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The great city divided into 3 parts, shows symbolically, the center of radiating power.

The power of planet earth Jerusalem is gone, it will never "come together" again in the material world.

There will only be the new spiritual Jerusalem after this event.

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The Babylon here is referring to all sin and false religion since the cleansing of the great flood.

So God is withdrawing ALL of His blessings on the souls left on the Planet, after the resurrection.

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V 20, The islands and mountains are symbolic of Israel.

Literal or symbolic, it's the end of the planet !

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V 21, The 7th trumpet also shows the hail, Rev 11:19.

The hail and the fire from heaven in Rev 20, both show the end of this planet.

After these events, judgement and eternity.

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abcdef · Feb 14, 2017

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Brothers and Sisters,

We should not face the coming times with fear.

These things are made known for you, the Christian.

Jesus has spoken to us through His Word and Holy Spirit.

He has revealed some things to you that I don't know,

But what He reveals, and when, is under the power of the Holy Spirit.

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There is only one thing left to do that is of any real importance,

That is, get as many souls into the Ark of Jesus as you can Acts 2:38,

Time is running out.

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Remember when you first became a Christian ?

How happy and full of joy you were ?

You just wanted to tell everyone about Jesus and His saving grace ?

Let that SPIRIT be your guide.

Return your spirit to it's "first love" Rev 2:4.

Think, remember that day, remember that burden lifted, the freedom from guilt in your soul.

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You are about to have a much greater joy,

A joy that will never end.

A joy that is beyond our imagination and comprehension.

We are going to meet Jesus and be with Him forever.

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But first, we must endure a little more of this painful world of suffering in the flesh.

There are things coming that cannot be changed,

That Jesus has said, that they will take place.

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Look beyond this word to the place where Jesus is, the throne of God.

Keep in your heart and in your mind, that joyful, first love of Jesus, position of thought.

Tell everybody about the joy for Jesus that you have.

Get them into the Ark of Jesus, Acts 2:38.

abcdef · Feb 18, 2017

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There is a reason,

Why the Revelation could not be fully understood until after 9/11/2001, which was the 6th trumpet,

(it's hard for me to believe too!).

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The little scroll is seen in Dan 12, where it is sealed until the power of the holy people is scattered (in 70 ad.).

Then after 70 ad., Jesus opens the little scroll, breaking the 7 seals.

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After the seals were broken, you would think that we would read what the little scroll said, right away.

But no, we have to wait until after the 6th trumpet sounds, where we see the little scroll still in the hand of Jesus.

Jesus then gives the scroll to John to "digest", understand.

The scroll is the story of the 2 witnesses, the natural branches and their restoration to Jerusalem.

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The idea that the contents of the scroll were not given until after the 6th trumpet has sounded,

Seems to show that the story of the 2 witnesses would not be understood until after that event.

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The 6th trumpet shows the powers across the Euphrates beginning to assemble and march toward Israel and Jerusalem.

Israel must be restored to Jerusalem by this time, the natural branches, 1967, Israel restored to Jerusalem.

The 2 witnesses are the people of the natural branches who are killed in Jerusalem, by the powers from across the Euphrates, deceived by Rome, the 4th beast.

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These prophecies are coming true in front of us.

They could not be understood because the identification of the characters involved could not be discerned.

But they now can be identified, and their roles understood.

Rome is the beast nation.

The power across the Euphrates is Iran.

Magog is the assembly of the gentile nations against restored to Israel Jerusalem.

The Antichrist can ONLY, ONLY, ONLY be Caesar and the Bishop of Rome.

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Again, Behold the Bridegroom Cometh !

He will come for the Pentecost Kingdom 3 1/2 days after Jerusalem falls to Iran and it's allies.

BEHOLD, THE BRIDEGROOM COMETH

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