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Most evangelical christians would agree with your declaration.
Now if we talk about purity, holiness and walking blamelessly, or righteously,
some raise arguments.
Christ calls us to these things, not as jokes to point out our sin, but in Him they
can be fulfilled.
Now I am surprised so many walk in unbelief, and literally believe love of your neighbour
and love of your enemy is just a way of showing you are a sinner, not it is actually possible.
How can this be true? If I can do it, so can you.
I would describe this situation as spiritual unbelief and poverty.
On Jesus's declaration, I am following Him and if you cannot love, you are not.
A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.
John 13:34-35
And how can you ever do this? By being broken at the foot of the cross,
reaching out to Christ and letting Him fill you, and change your heart.
But it takes complete honesty and repentance.
Many have found this place, the question is are you willing to go here.
Jesus calls us all to the Kingdom, to be of this one mind and heart.
What stops us is pain, and its defence. Are we prepared to suffer and forgive,
to open our hearts and let things flow, to walk as Jesus walked.
Now if we talk about purity, holiness and walking blamelessly, or righteously,
some raise arguments.
Christ calls us to these things, not as jokes to point out our sin, but in Him they
can be fulfilled.
Now I am surprised so many walk in unbelief, and literally believe love of your neighbour
and love of your enemy is just a way of showing you are a sinner, not it is actually possible.
How can this be true? If I can do it, so can you.
I would describe this situation as spiritual unbelief and poverty.
On Jesus's declaration, I am following Him and if you cannot love, you are not.
A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.
John 13:34-35
And how can you ever do this? By being broken at the foot of the cross,
reaching out to Christ and letting Him fill you, and change your heart.
But it takes complete honesty and repentance.
Many have found this place, the question is are you willing to go here.
Jesus calls us all to the Kingdom, to be of this one mind and heart.
What stops us is pain, and its defence. Are we prepared to suffer and forgive,
to open our hearts and let things flow, to walk as Jesus walked.
"his followers will not be perfect" "will always be in a state of sanctification"
These are statements of faith which need translating. We will always be sinning, in
rebellion against God. Where does it say this?
How can the Holy people of God, walking in purity, holiness, blamelessness be sinners and
not saints? What is the point of Christs purification if it does not work?
It is like seeing an advert that says washes your clothes clean, and you try it, but they
are always dirty. It would be a lie. "Your sins are forgiven" would have no meaning.
Now once you give up the goal, and believe the work is not done, then sin prospers.
It is like saying a road with no speed limits will have people driving safely at reasonable
speed, when in reality no speed limits leads to more deaths.
Lawlessness is the realm of the enemy and not God.
We are free from condemnation because we walk in love by the Spirit.
No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
1 John 4:12
Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Rom 13:10
For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
Gal 5:14
These are statements of faith which need translating. We will always be sinning, in
rebellion against God. Where does it say this?
How can the Holy people of God, walking in purity, holiness, blamelessness be sinners and
not saints? What is the point of Christs purification if it does not work?
It is like seeing an advert that says washes your clothes clean, and you try it, but they
are always dirty. It would be a lie. "Your sins are forgiven" would have no meaning.
Now once you give up the goal, and believe the work is not done, then sin prospers.
It is like saying a road with no speed limits will have people driving safely at reasonable
speed, when in reality no speed limits leads to more deaths.
Lawlessness is the realm of the enemy and not God.
We are free from condemnation because we walk in love by the Spirit.
No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
1 John 4:12
Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Rom 13:10
For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
Gal 5:14
What is strange to me, is why any believer in Christ would object to my proposal?
Possibly because they claim to follow Christ but the fruit of this walk is not in
their heart?
The answer in this case is repentance of sin, humbleness before the cross,
and opening ones heart up to Christ for healing and forgiveness.
All I am sharing is what the apostles shared, believed and walked in.
To see the truth you have to put aside labels, put aside unbelief, open up
your heart and just read the word and ask God to show you His truth.
I cannot be the enemy saying this, because I am appealing to Christ, His word
and your heart. But the enemy desires you stay as you are, defeated and ineffectual.
Possibly because they claim to follow Christ but the fruit of this walk is not in
their heart?
The answer in this case is repentance of sin, humbleness before the cross,
and opening ones heart up to Christ for healing and forgiveness.
All I am sharing is what the apostles shared, believed and walked in.
To see the truth you have to put aside labels, put aside unbelief, open up
your heart and just read the word and ask God to show you His truth.
I cannot be the enemy saying this, because I am appealing to Christ, His word
and your heart. But the enemy desires you stay as you are, defeated and ineffectual.
the above 2 posts are made by someone who flatly refuses to use the Biblical definition of sin, which is missing the mark, falling short of a standard, knowing to do good and not doing so.
it is easy to call yourself " pure and holy " when you make your own definition of those terms. but using the Bible standards, well that is another story.
it is easy to call yourself " pure and holy " when you make your own definition of those terms. but using the Bible standards, well that is another story.
I am sorry. You sound like the enemy saying, you evil people but without anything to point at.
"Does Job fear God for nothing?” Satan replied. “Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. But now stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face."
Job 1:9-11
Now does Jesus call us to walk in His ways or is it that you have only unbelief and
your conscience condemns you constantly?
The bibles standard is walking in love. Or maybe you do not understand Gods
standards, being merely a hyper legalist creating barriers that are not there.
And truly if you see something you could do that is good and do not do it that
is sin.
I suspect someone is whispering in your ear.
"Does Job fear God for nothing?” Satan replied. “Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. But now stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face."
Job 1:9-11
Now does Jesus call us to walk in His ways or is it that you have only unbelief and
your conscience condemns you constantly?
The bibles standard is walking in love. Or maybe you do not understand Gods
standards, being merely a hyper legalist creating barriers that are not there.
And truly if you see something you could do that is good and do not do it that
is sin.
I suspect someone is whispering in your ear.
thank you for admitting what I have been saying for a long time-you do not use the Biblical definition of sin.
as for the whispering in ear comment, when a person says or implies , as you do, that a person has to be sinless for God to accept them, that is the enemy saying that all the way. because it is a straight-up lie.
as for the whispering in ear comment, when a person says or implies , as you do, that a person has to be sinless for God to accept them, that is the enemy saying that all the way. because it is a straight-up lie.
Amen! I recently left a different Bible discussion forum because it had become hi-jacked by false teachers, including sinless-perfectionists who claim to be sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolutely perfect 100% of the time (exactly as Jesus is). Those who believe that lie are suffering from a terminal case of self-righteousness (1 John 1:8-10).
So the standard of scripture for you is not walking in love.
The normal argument is the law of Moses, or perfect like the Father, or doing anything
outside faith, or not doing something you know to be good.
You might be thinking anything from self.
Now I quoted scripture, which says simply by walking in love we fulfill the law.
But your answer implies you do not accept scripture.
No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
1 John 4:12
Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Rom 13:10
For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
Gal 5:14
Walking in righteousness, in perfection, like Jesus is walking like "Love your neighbour as yourself"
Now I am not a sinless perfectionist, because I admit we can all stumble, but accept we are
literally washed clean by the blood of the lamb.
Now if you cannot answer these points other than an emotional distaste for this, that is walking
in unbelief and not taking God at His word.
How are we lights to the world unless we walk in the truth of Jesus's message.
The normal argument is the law of Moses, or perfect like the Father, or doing anything
outside faith, or not doing something you know to be good.
You might be thinking anything from self.
Now I quoted scripture, which says simply by walking in love we fulfill the law.
But your answer implies you do not accept scripture.
No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
1 John 4:12
Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Rom 13:10
For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
Gal 5:14
Walking in righteousness, in perfection, like Jesus is walking like "Love your neighbour as yourself"
Now I am not a sinless perfectionist, because I admit we can all stumble, but accept we are
literally washed clean by the blood of the lamb.
Now if you cannot answer these points other than an emotional distaste for this, that is walking
in unbelief and not taking God at His word.
How are we lights to the world unless we walk in the truth of Jesus's message.
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it is sad.
They claim one must be sinless. Yet some admit, they are not sinless.
it is like they say one thing, then come back and say the opposite. then wonder why people get confused. or call them out.. Then they get mad and start to attack.
It is messed up..
then get mad when someone calls them out..
They claim one must be sinless. Yet some admit, they are not sinless.
it is like they say one thing, then come back and say the opposite. then wonder why people get confused. or call them out.. Then they get mad and start to attack.
It is messed up..
then get mad when someone calls them out..
There is a kind of false finding fault in others.
Jesus calls us to walk righteously. Now being pure, holy, blameless is doing this. But it is
actually about how you love people and understand deep dilemmas, people trapped inside
who they are or circumstance.
Take an alzheimer patient, or someone with schizophrenia. How can you love while they are
deeply disturbed? To love is to get involved and to emphasis the simple tasks of life.
One could be selfish and say one gets nothing personal out of it, so why bother.
So being righteous is about serving and being with people, and is very far for a self image or
how it appears. This is why it is grieving when people totally miss the issue of walking in love,
but then that is why they do, else they would know how to love despite difficulties.
Jesus calls us to walk righteously. Now being pure, holy, blameless is doing this. But it is
actually about how you love people and understand deep dilemmas, people trapped inside
who they are or circumstance.
Take an alzheimer patient, or someone with schizophrenia. How can you love while they are
deeply disturbed? To love is to get involved and to emphasis the simple tasks of life.
One could be selfish and say one gets nothing personal out of it, so why bother.
So being righteous is about serving and being with people, and is very far for a self image or
how it appears. This is why it is grieving when people totally miss the issue of walking in love,
but then that is why they do, else they would know how to love despite difficulties.