The Nicene Creed

RBA238 · Feb 12, 2017

Again...let me explain this one more time ok?

The Woman Jesus Saved and The Thief on the Cross and others Jesus saved were in The Old Testament...They were not under The New Testament Salvation Plan which began in Acts Chapter Two in the Upper Room in Jerusalem..
Acts 2 verse 38/ Acts 10/Acts 19 etc tells you YOU MUST BE WATER BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, and have been repented of your sins, of Course you must BELEIVE as well which is God's Word. The Apostles taught the people exactly as they were taught by Jesus..

RBA238 · Feb 12, 2017

StanJ said:

What you stated about what Jesus told Nicodemus is not correct either...Jesus told Nicodemus He had to Be Born again (1) OF WATER (2) And THE SPIRIT...

Flash Forward to the First Christian Conversion
Service...When Apostle Peter was asked what they must do..Peter told them "Repent,.and BE BAPTIZEC (Water) everyone of you in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and you SHALL RECEIVE THE HOLY GHOST ( The Spirit)...there is the Water & Spirit Jesus was telling Nicodemus he must do to help saved along with Repenting of his Sins...and when did Nicodemus do this? Anytime from Acts 2 verse 38 when it was first introduced to the New Testament Church...I read The same Bible everybody has on here, so show me where I am not telling what the Word of God says?? Think you need to read and cross check the word..Amen

Grace777x70 · Feb 12, 2017

The jailer asked - what must he do to be saved and Paul answered.

Acts 16:29-31 (NASB)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] And he called for lights and rushed in, and trembling with fear he fell down before Paul and Silas,

[SUP]30 [/SUP] and after he brought them out, he said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"

[SUP]31 [/SUP] They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."

Then they got water baptized after they believed and they were saved before they got water baptized.

Do not fall for the false gospel that says one must be water baptized or they are not saved. It's anti-gospel. The good news is that we get to be water baptized. It's a major blessing and a commandment that brings life to us when we know what it represents in Christ to us now that we believe and are saved by Christ Himself at the cross and resurrection.

In this false religion if someone dies before they get water baptized - it means they are not saved. Complete and utter religious nonsense.

We get water baptized as a representation of what happened when we believed on the message of Christ that we died with Christ on the cross and rose with Him in His resurrection.

The water is a symbol to help us remember that we have died and our life is hidden with Christ in God now. Col. 3:3 - just like communion is a representation for us to "remember" the Lord's New Covenant in His blood.

StanJ · Feb 12, 2017

RBA238 said:

It doesn't matter how many times you repeat yourself, when you're wrong, you're wrong, because the Bible does not tell us we must be water baptized to be saved. Water baptism is a confirmation of your commitment to Christ but the Salvation happens the moment you commit yourself to Christ and your sins are forgiven.
Instead of misrepresenting Acts and the verses you do out of context, why don't you read Romans 10:9-11? Also, read what John the Baptist said in Luke 3:16;
[FONT=&quot]John answered them all, “I baptize you with[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot] water.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot] But one who is more powerful than I will come, the straps of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot] the Holy Spirit and fire.

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StanJ · Feb 12, 2017

RBA238 said:

Apparently you've never seen a child born. Jesus never said baptized in water he said born of water. Salvation was not for the Angels it was only for human beings.
Acts 2:38 is not about water baptism it's about being baptized by the Holy Spirit. You to be having trouble paying attention to the words you read. Jesus baptized by the Holy Spirit as I've already shown you and the apostles followed that up by baptizing with water as they were instructed to do in Matt 28:19. You need to do a lot more reading because apparently you don't really know what all the New Testament says about this stuff.

hornetguy · Feb 12, 2017

Absolutely incorrect... if you wish to believe that, it's on you. Baptism is clearly taught... WATER baptism, which includes the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Otherwise, scripture lies to us when it says "one Lord, one faith, one baptism"....

I don't know of any reputable Biblical scholars that say that the thousands baptized at Pentecost were baptized in the Spirit, and not water.

The Ethiopian eunuch knew exactly what baptism was, after being taught by Philip... he saw water, and said "what can prevent me from being baptized?"

After Paul was blinded on the road to Damascus, and had his sight restored, the FIRST thing he did was go get baptized.

Cornelius' family ALL were baptized, after miraculously receiving the Holy Spirit, as a sign to the other believers that Gentiles were accepted...

All the apostles taught and practiced water baptism...

to quote you.....

StanJ · Feb 13, 2017

hornetguy said:

The one baptism is the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. That is what the scripture teaches.

Then apparently you don't know any reputable Bible scholars. water baptism is in the name of the father Son and Holy Spirit Jesus commissioned his disciples to do. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is in Jesus' name because he is the one who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.

Water baptism was not new as John the Baptist demonstrated and the eunuch knew the water baptism represented repentance.

Paul received the baptism of the Holy Spirit on Straight Street, unless of course you think that there was a baptismal tank in Judas' house there?

The baptism of the Holy Spirit in Acts 10 was not a miracle it was the intention of Jesus to do so for all people. The fact is is that scripture teaches that we should receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit before we partake in water baptism.
Read what Peter teaches in Acts 11:15-18

I suggest you read Acts 19:1-7 and don't become like the people in verse 9. Do you really think there was a big baptismal tank in the jail so the Jailer and his family could be baptized in Acts 16:33? How about Acts 2:41? Do you really think that 3000 people got baptized in water on that day? Have you ever been to a baptismal service? Start using your brain man! See and understand what you're reading.

popeye · Feb 13, 2017

hornetguy said:

Absolutely incorrect... if you wish to believe that, it's on you. Baptism is clearly taught... WATER baptism, which includes the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Otherwise, scripture lies to us when it says "one Lord, one faith, one baptism"....

I don't know of any reputable Biblical scholars that say that the thousands baptized at Pentecost were baptized in the Spirit, and not water.

The Ethiopian eunuch knew exactly what baptism was, after being taught by Philip... he saw water, and said "what can prevent me from being baptized?"

After Paul was blinded on the road to Damascus, and had his sight restored, the FIRST thing he did was go get baptized.

Cornelius' family ALL were baptized, after miraculously receiving the Holy Spirit, as a sign to the other believers that Gentiles were accepted...

All the apostles taught and practiced water baptism...

to quote you.....

Under this teaching,you would naturally tell someone that needed water baptism. "now we need to find someplace with a baptismal,or a body of water to baptize you in the Holy Spirit"

Grace777x70 · Feb 13, 2017

The other aspect to this - is that there is no record of the 120 in the upper room getting water baptized after they received the Holy Spirit.

In the religion that says one has to be water baptized in order to be saved - then the 120 that were in the upper room needed to be water baptized too. This means that all them which were also the 11 apostles were not saved.

Not only that but any people whom the Lord loves dearly that received Him and were sick in bed and died before they were water baptized - would not be saved. It's complete foolishness and a bunch of religious nonsense on so many levels. It violates the "why" of the gospel in the first place.

The good news is - we get to be water baptized. it's a great representation of the Lord's work done for us in that we died with Him and were raised with Him.

hornetguy · Feb 13, 2017

Your condescending tone is offensive... but I'll overlook that for now.

Who is being foolish, and not using their brain? Do you think that in the 1st century, that baptismal fonts even existed? People were baptized wherever there was water... a river, a pond, a water tank for livestock...

Yes, I do think that 3000 people were baptized that day... it's what the Word says.

Have I ever been to a baptism? That's just stupid beyond belief.....

Look at all these "baptismal fonts"... we've even had a couple of baptisms in our swimming pool in our back yard...
So, how 'bout you stop being a twit, and simply address the subject with reason/logic? Leave the snide comments out of it? You know.... like adults do?

hornetguy · Feb 13, 2017

True, but as we've discussed before, there is no record saying they were not baptized before Pentecost... and the miraculous receiving of the Holy Spirit was reserved until then, to usher in the church of Jesus.

hornetguy · Feb 13, 2017

popeye said:

No, I think baptism should be the natural result of a person hearing, and believing in Jesus... it is the logical (and scriptural) next step that a new believer takes. Remember

Peter didn't say, "repent and be baptized in the Holy Spirit, and then you'll receive the gift of the Holy Spirit"..... how silly is that?

Grace777x70 · Feb 13, 2017

hornetguy said:

But the religion that says "Unless you get water baptized after you receive the Holy Spirit" then you are not saved -

The apostles and the 120 would have needed to be water baptized after Christ died and ascended to the throne in order to be saved.

The disciples getting water baptized by John's baptism was irrelevant to getting water baptized after the new birth. John's baptism was for repentance ( changing of their minds to believe on Christ who was to come after him )

Acts 19:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

BeyondET · Feb 13, 2017

phil36 said:

[FONT=&]We believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.
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[FONT=&]And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
begotten from the Father before all ages,
God from God,
Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made;
of the same essence as the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven;
he became incarnate by the Holy Spirit and the virgin Mary,
and was made human.
He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered and was buried.
The third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures.
He ascended to heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again with glory
to judge the living and the dead.
His kingdom will never end.
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[FONT=&]And we believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Lord, the giver of life.
He proceeds from the Father and the Son,
and with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified.
He spoke through the prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic church.
We affirm one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look forward to the resurrection of the dead,
and to life in the world to come. Amen.

I agree Amen indeed.[/FONT]

I agree with most of it except this part mentioned,, it's not my cup of tea,,,

We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic church.

hornetguy · Feb 13, 2017

BeyondET said:

I think it means catholic in this sense... NOT Roman Catholic.... the universal kingdom... Jesus' church...

BeyondET · Feb 13, 2017

hornetguy said:

Universal I can go with that.. I'm just not much on Catholic Churches

hornetguy · Feb 13, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

So, when do you think that water baptism was started? Just curious... I think it started being "not John's baptism" after Jesus was baptized... Jesus' apostles were baptizing... even made John's followers a little angry...

Why would Jesus' followers be baptizing people with John's baptism?

Enquiring minds, and all that....

Grace777x70 · Feb 13, 2017

hornetguy said:

Jesus' followers would have been baptizing with John's baptism because they were Jewish and being water baptized by John's repentance was to show that they did have sins which the religious people of his day rejected because they "had the law of Moses".

( you will notice that they only baptized at the very start of Jesus ministry when John was doing it too and there is no record of water baptism after John was beheaded )

If you notice that Paul in Acts 19 talking to the Ephesians asked them what baptism were they done by? They said John's - then they got water baptized in Jesus name. They were taught John's water baptism and not Christ's. These speak of 2 different water baptisms for different purposes.

The 120 would have had been water baptized "after" Christ's death and resurrection or else they too were not saved. Which of course is foolishness.

The fact remains though - that if people say that "we are not saved" unless we get water baptized first - then all people who have died before getting water baptized would not be saved. This is severely erroneous and violates the very core of the gospel.

BeyondET · Feb 13, 2017

looking into these verses in OP I find this thread is straight out of the First Council of Constantinople (381AD)
Pure Roman Catholic propaganda below is at the end of the first Council of Constantinople there's no alternative meaning to Catholic used here it's Roman Catholic..

In one holy catholic and apostolic Church;

BeyondET · Feb 13, 2017

The ideas behind the Four Marks have been in the Church since early Christianity. Allusions to them can be found in the writings of 2nd century early Church Father and bishop, Ignatius of Antioch. They were not established in doctrine until the First Council of Constantinople in 381 as an antidote to certain heresies that had crept into the Church in its early history. There the Council elaborated on the Nicene Creed, established by the First Council of Nicea 56 years before by adding to the end a section that included the affirmation: "[We believe] in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church."[2] The phrase has remained in versions of the Nicene Creed to this day.

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