Women Pastors? Help me.

StanJ · Feb 22, 2017

VCO said:

Why don't you come up here and find out... We're taking a lot of Americans in these days. As a matter of fact my daughter-in-law is American.

1 Cor 2:14
The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

As far as Acts 9:31 is concerned the Greek word for fear there is φόβος (phobos), and properly connotes reverential fear, awe, respect, deference. That is not the same as the actual fear you implicate and feel. That fear is born of not knowing who the God of your salvation is really is.

wolfwint · Feb 22, 2017

Dagallen said:

So why then he createt us as man and woman? Or he did not. And he gave also not different outlook and sex. Why he never choosen a woman as Priest, King ore Apostle?
There are plenty Scripture which shows that a wife should be submissive to her husband. We find also Scripture that a woman should not have authority over man. And even if you through away Scripture like Genesis 2 and 3 ore 1. Tim.2,12-14, ore 1. Tim. Chapter 3 were it is clear statet that eldest/ruler/overseer/leader can only be man.
You find out of Junia ( and it is not clear it is meant a male ore female) no proof for woman leadership in the church. Why not?

Dagallen · Feb 22, 2017

wolfwint said:

When Paul uses a man as an example, Paul is teaching about the headship of Christ over the church, it's not about a earthy man being the headship of the church.as Paul then put aside the headship of Christ and replaced by another dimension of Christ to the church, as Paul then uses a woman but it's not about the woman herself. Paul uses the woman to explain the love of Christ for his church, then uses the pattern of the husband's love for his wife, as the central focus is on the sacrificial love of Christ toward the church, as leader or leadership or authority is not prominent in scriptures but it is love, as the love of a husband for his wife, is a reflection of the unity of Christ and his church. As the key word is not leadership, as Christ is the headship not man but the key word is love, the love of Christ for his church.

Magenta · Feb 22, 2017

wolfwint said:

Mary Magdalene was the first to see and testify of the risen Lord.

VCO · Feb 22, 2017

StanJ said:

Oh, I know absolutely for sure that I was born again the last week of December 1977, and I have been submitting to HIS Lordship, ever since. I have seen WAY TOO MANY miracles happen in my life, and way too answered prayers to EVER even begin to doubt that HE is in me.

So those Democrats that threatened to move to Canada if Donald Trump got elected, are following thru with their promises.

You can keep them, we won't ask for them back.

StanJ · Feb 22, 2017

VCO said:

I have no doubt you were born again but the point is did you actually receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit which is a necessary part of Walking In Christ?
It wasn't just Democrats that threatened to move to Canada if Donald Trump got elected, it was a lot of Republicans as well and just like my daughter-in-law has, people who get here want to stay here. Our government isn't full of TV stars and soap opera dramas.

wolfwint · Feb 23, 2017

Magenta said:

Magneta, I know, but does it makes her to an apostle ore to a Pastor ore a leader in a church?
who is in gods eyes more worth? The one who serves Him and cleans the toilette ore the one who serves him and preach the gospel? God has given woman and man different tasks. So a man cant give birth to a child. Man can never be a mother!
God gave an creation order. The man first, then the woman. But in gods eyes both are same worth. The reason why woman should not have authority over man is because that Eva was deceived from Satan first! It is a matter of consequence.
It is not because woman are not able to teach ore preach. God has not given this task to woman, and so you cant find a woman leader in Israel and in the apostolic time. But since around 150 years is gone on a revolution against the word of God in different fields like Creation and Authority from the scripture. Suddenly woman can also be Pastor and leader of the church. The bible has not changed! But to see the Bible as the word of God. It is not longer said that the bibel is the word of God, but it contents the word of God. And we have to find out what it is. Some saying only the words which Jesus spoke are alone the word of God. The meassure is not longer the word of God, but the human will to accept ore not accept what is written. And many "wise" people made studys to explain why that what is written not longer is valid. This way leads away from God and I am wonder that people which claim to have the filling with the Holy Spirit supporting this false doctrines.
I am convinced that the Holy Spirit is never against the scripture which he revealed!

wolfwint · Feb 23, 2017

Dagallen said:

When Paul uses a man as an example, Paul is teaching about the headship of Christ over the church, it's not about a earthy man being the headship of the church.as Paul then put aside the headship of Christ and replaced by another dimension of Christ to the church, as Paul then uses a woman but it's not about the woman herself. Paul uses the woman to explain the love of Christ for his church, then uses the pattern of the husband's love for his wife, as the central focus is on the sacrificial love of Christ toward the church, as leader or leadership or authority is not prominent in scriptures but it is love, as the love of a husband for his wife, is a reflection of the unity of Christ and his church. As the key word is not leadership, as Christ is the headship not man but the key word is love, the love of Christ for his church.

Dagallen what you wrote, gave no answer to my post and has nothing to do with the OP theme.

Dagallen · Feb 23, 2017

wolfwint said:

Sure it does, a pastor is called to speak a balance message, they are to teach about the headship of Christ and the love of Christ for His church, it's not about the headship or leadership or teacher or pastor being a man or woman, as both can teach a balance message. Again it's not about who is the pastor, it's about the message they speak, its about the headship and the love of Chirst for His church and the members of His church, which are male and female, we are one in Him, we are equally in Him, in Him there is no divide, we are equal to one another. Paul was still affected by the tradition of that time, which was attached to the laws of man. Christ set all free from the traditions and the law, as women are not slaves to the tradition anymore, as women are free in Christ, as Christ speaks through both male and female. The message begins with man, the headship and is complete in woman, that God might be all in all but many men did not accept it back then and many men don't accept it now. Any man who does not accept a woman pastor, such a man is not complete in Christ, he is still divided against the message if Christ. Most women can accept a male pastor or a female pastor but many men cannot, so who is complete in Christ and who is not complete in Christ ? Why is it men back then would not accept the complete message ? Because men then made it about self, just as some men still do today. When a person makes it about self, the person is in fact a self righteous person.

Dagallen · Feb 23, 2017

Magenta said:

That's correct and that's where Christianity begins, with a woman but what do I know ?

wolfwint · Feb 23, 2017

Dagallen said:

Sure it does, a pastor is called to speak a balance message, they are to teach about the headship of Christ and the love of Christ for His church, it's not about the headship or leadership or teacher or pastor being a man or woman, as both can teach a balance message. Again it's not about who is the pastor, it's about the message they speak, its about the headship and the love of Chirst for His church and the members of His church, which are male and female, we are one in Him, we are equally in Him, in Him there is no divide, we are equal to one another. Paul was still affected by the tradition of that time, which was attached to the laws of man. Christ set all free from the traditions and the law, as women are not slaves to the tradition anymore, as women are free in Christ, as Christ speaks through both male and female. The message begins with man, the headship and is complete in woman, that God might be all in all but many men did not accept it back then and many men don't accept it now. Any man who does not accept a woman pastor, such a man is not complete in Christ, he is still divided against the message if Christ. Most women can accept a male pastor or a female pastor but many men cannot, so who is complete in Christ and who is not complete in Christ ? Why is it men back then would not accept the complete message ? Because men then made it about self, just as some men still do today. When a person makes it about self, the person is in fact a self righteous person.

So you ignore the Scripture and put instead your own thoughts. Its your responsibility, but you seduce people with your false doctrine.

Dagallen · Feb 23, 2017

wolfwint said:

Scriptures and history supports what I posted.

samuel23 · Feb 23, 2017

Not really Dag...not really.

wolfwint · Feb 23, 2017

You can't show me Scripture which says that woman can be Pastor/ Leader/Overseer of a church and the history is maximum 200 years old.

Dagallen · Feb 23, 2017

samuel23 said:

Well anyone can debate the above but the fact remains, God does not see us as Jews or Gentiles nor male or female nor black or white, in Christ, God see us as one, in Christ we are equal to one another. When a woman is born again, the Holy Spirit becomes the spiritual teacher, so I guess a woman should keep it to herself and let the man speak, not the woman, this topic is not hard to understand, it's just that people make it hard to understand.

Dagallen · Feb 23, 2017

wolfwint said:

2 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches; for it is not permitted unto them to speak but they are commanded to be obedient ( pay attention ) as also says the law.note: the laws of Moses says a woman must be silent in the churches, are we still living under the laws of Moses ? Galatians 5:18 But if you are led of the Spirit, you are not under the law. Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this, you shall love your neighbor ( who is man's neighbor ? Woman. ! ) as your self. Galatians 5:15 This I say, walk in the Spirit and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.Note: The laws of Moses was the lust of the flesh of man but thank God we do not have to live according to the traditional beliefs that became law under Moses, however if the choice is to live under the laws of Moses, then a person is still a slave to the laws of Moses and will be held accountable to the laws of Moses, as Christ brought a better covenant, a new covenant, that we might be led by the Spirit, not by man and be set free indeed.

VCO · Feb 23, 2017

StanJ said:

Baptism of the Holy Spirit, as I think you mean it, is a FIGMENT of the CHARISMATIC MINDSET.

Born again, involves mourning over ones sinfulness, complete surrender and submission to Jesus Christ as LORD (meaning MASTER) purely out of LOVE FOR HIM, which comes from the HOLY SPIRIT pouring GOD's LOVE directly into our hearts (Rom. 5:5); and our WALK OF OBEDIENCE spawns DIRECTLY out of GOD'S LOVE that is in our heart. ONLY in your mind does any of the that come from your counterfeit Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Baptism BY the Holy Spirit, as the Scripture actually calls it, happens the very moment we first GENUINELY Believe, submitting to the LORDship of Jesus Christ. In that same moment the Holy Spirit IMMERSES (baptizes) us into the Spiritual Body of JESUS CHRIST.

That is the TRUE Baptism by the Holy Spirit, and the Charismatic Experience has NOTHING to do with it.

1 Corinthians 12:13 (NKJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.

1 Corinthians 12:27 (ESV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it.

Most likely the following is the Experience you refer to. HERE is a video by a Pentecostal "Tongues Speaking" Believer, that is exposing the Counterfiet Experience that has crept into The Charismatic and Pentecostal Churches, and is probably what you are erroneously calling the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. This counterfeit infiltration of the Charismatic Churches started spreading like wild fire in Toronto; without hardly anyone in the Charismatic and Pentecostal Churches raising a single red flag, because they assumed it was of the Holy Spirit. In reality, it is a HINDU Experience, called the Kundalini Awakening. PLEASE WATCH ALL OF THIS 27.5 minute video:

[video=youtube;a5ZvPwFamqs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5ZvPwFamqs&t=375s[/video]

When I followed the leading of the Holy Spirit, WALKING IN CHRIST, I was lead by the Holy Spirit to move from Nebraska to California, and I knew not why. I ended up moving to a town on the West Coast, to build a Prison Ministry, where the END OF THE LINE in the California Department of Corrections, new supermax Prison, called Pelican Bay State Prison, was being built. I KNEW NOTHING ABOUT STARTING A PRISON MINISTRY, BUT I KNEW AND TRUSTED THAT MY LORD KNEW ALL ABOUT IT. About three years into that Ministry, I was asked to take over the Pulpit Ministry in one of the Chapels, and again, I knew nothing about Teach Sermons, but again I TOTALLY TRUSTED that my LORD knew everything there was to know about Teaching Sermons. So I stepped out in FAITH, and taught subjectively. I gathered verses on a subject each week, using almost exclusively JUST THE VERSES as my Sermon NOTES; and TRUSTED MY LORD TO GIVE ME EVERY WORD OF THE SERMON. I would pray to Be FILLED with the Holy Spirit each and every time that I stepped up to a pulpit, and I LET HIM TEACH THROUGH ME. I did that for YEARS, and never once wrote out a sermon in advance. The TEACHING just flowed, and every sermon lasted 45 min. to 1 hour long.
ABSOLUTELY NO CHARISMATIC EXPERIENCE WAS INVOLVED IN ANY OF THAT.

Here is an example of my Sermon Notes:

Dagallen · Feb 23, 2017

At the point when sins are forgiven, the Holy Spirit dwells within us, speaking in some unknown language is not proof and is not necessary, I think the scriptures are very clear on that, personally my self, I have never spoken in an unknown language.

wolfwint · Feb 23, 2017

Dagallen said:

2 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches; for it is not permitted unto them to speak but they are commanded to be obedient ( pay attention ) as also says the law.note: the laws of Moses says a woman must be silent in the churches, are we still living under the laws of Moses ? Galatians 5:18 But if you are led of the Spirit, you are not under the law. Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this, you shall love your neighbor ( who is man's neighbor ? Woman. ! ) as your self. Galatians 5:15 This I say, walk in the Spirit and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.Note: The laws of Moses was the lust of the flesh of man but thank God we do not have to live according to the traditional beliefs that became law under Moses, however if the choice is to live under the laws of Moses, then a person is still a slave to the laws of Moses and will be held accountable to the laws of Moses, as Christ brought a better covenant, a new covenant, that we might be led by the Spirit, not by man and be set free indeed.

So is that what Paul wrote through the Holy Spirit word of God ore not? Again what you wrote has nothing to do with the OP theme!

Dagallen · Feb 23, 2017

wolfwint said:

The Corinthians church were still living according to the laws of Moses, therefore Paul addressing it according to the laws of Moses, if anyone makes the choice to run a church according to the laws of Moses, then they shall be held according to the laws of Moses, as Paul was addressing the topic according to the agreement God made with man, under the old covenant, however Paul himself excepted the new covenant that Christ put in place, as Paul says, God forbid if we still had to live under the laws of Moses. So, what we have is the old covenant that was replaced with a new covenant. As Paul is correct on both accounts, meaning what ? If your choice is the old covenant, then you will be held accountable under the old covenant but if your choice is the new covenant, then you are held accountable under the new covenant, through Christ and the new covenant, we are set free from the old covenant, as Paul addresses the Corinthian church the way he did because the Corinthian church was still living under the old covenant by choice but we were given a better choice by Christ himself.

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