Eternal Security You CANNOT lose your salvation! by David J. Stewart | January 2004
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When I post my thoughts - it's a copy and paste?...lol Too funny.
Point me to your post on the sealing. There is so much garbage and man-made suppositions on this thread that it's ridiculous to even read most junk.
What would you think about Paul deciding now to not believe in Christ?....or James or John if they can "change themselves" back from being united as one with Christ? Why can't they change their belief now while they are in heaven?
How would they or anyone for that matter "un-belief" themselves from being a son of God now?
Can you stop being a human being now by "changing your belief"?
Point me to your post on the sealing. There is so much garbage and man-made suppositions on this thread that it's ridiculous to even read most junk.
What would you think about Paul deciding now to not believe in Christ?....or James or John if they can "change themselves" back from being united as one with Christ? Why can't they change their belief now while they are in heaven?
How would they or anyone for that matter "un-belief" themselves from being a son of God now?
Can you stop being a human being now by "changing your belief"?
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How about this one?
Luke 19:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
Or how about Jesus seeking those which are lost sheep?
Matthew 18:12-14 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] "What do you think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and search for the one that is straying?
[SUP]13 [/SUP] "If it turns out that he finds it, truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine which have not gone astray.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] "So it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones perish.
Luke 19:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
Or how about Jesus seeking those which are lost sheep?
Matthew 18:12-14 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] "What do you think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and search for the one that is straying?
[SUP]13 [/SUP] "If it turns out that he finds it, truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine which have not gone astray.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] "So it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones perish.
There is a way to lose your salvation ( as if it is "your
doing" that obtained it for you )
.....but you have to be able to use a lot of imagination and have a very low opinion of our Lord's sacrifice and the integrity of our Father.
John 10:27-29 (NASB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;
[SUP]28 [/SUP] and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.
You have to be NOT a "no one"...so no one means everything one else but you in order for this to work.....
All's you do is wrestle yourself out of Jesus' hand...then once you have Him beat..then you are ready to take on the Father. ( He's a little tougher but you will have experience now on how to pluck yourself out of His hand )
In order to scare Jesus and the Father first you must...I repeat MUST intimidate Them with your mighty power by verbally accusing Them....you can tell them that they lied when He said " I will never leave nor forsake you"
Then because you are in Christ...He is going to have to stop being a High Priest for you..( again God lied when He said He is a priest forever...Heb. 7:21 )
His blood which He spilled for all sins that has been taken away...that has to stop too being efficacious ....Jesus has to stop being the Lamb of God.
Even in the Old Covenant the priest looked at the lamb for blemishes..not the guy who brought the sacrifice.. the Father looks at Jesus....He is our Lamb! He is spotless and blameless.
We are new creations in Christ. Born from above.
To be unborn ...This is like saying..ok..I do not want to be a human now...see..it just doesn't make sense...how does one "un-born" themselves in the Lord. Peter says we are born again of incorruptible seed - the word of God.
.."...as He is..so also are we in this world.."
It's all really ridiculous...our salvation is not based on us...it is based on Jesus and His finished work!...He is faithful and grace much more abounds around sin.
It's just plain "spiritual ignorance that has gone to seed " to think of His perfect work and that somehow it revolves around us and what we do.
John 10:28 (NASB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] and I "give" eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.
Romans 5:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the "gift" of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
Romans 11:29 (KJV)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
We cannot lose salvation once we are joined to Christ because it is not based on us.
People may say strange things if they are sick in their minds but their spirit ( the inner man in Christ ) is safe with the Lord as it has been created in righteousness and holiness and joined as one spirit with the Lord - sealed with the Holy Spirit of God.
( Somehow some obscure passages of scripture that people take without looking at it in context nullifies all the vast proof of scriptures that speak otherwise of the integrity of God and His completed work....is it possible we have those scriptures interpreted wrong because we look through the wrong "lens"?...of course.. )
Jesus is NOT a liar. He said that the Holy Spirit will be with you forever. Everyone must make up in their own minds if Jesus is lying to us continually in all that He says to us. I - for one am a believer in what Jesus has said and do not bel;ieve for one second that He is a liar.
He can be trusted - let's preach and teach Christ and all that He has done and leave this demon inspired doctrine of Christ separating from us behind.
doing" that obtained it for you )
.....but you have to be able to use a lot of imagination and have a very low opinion of our Lord's sacrifice and the integrity of our Father.
John 10:27-29 (NASB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;
[SUP]28 [/SUP] and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.
You have to be NOT a "no one"...so no one means everything one else but you in order for this to work.....
All's you do is wrestle yourself out of Jesus' hand...then once you have Him beat..then you are ready to take on the Father. ( He's a little tougher but you will have experience now on how to pluck yourself out of His hand )
In order to scare Jesus and the Father first you must...I repeat MUST intimidate Them with your mighty power by verbally accusing Them....you can tell them that they lied when He said " I will never leave nor forsake you"
Then because you are in Christ...He is going to have to stop being a High Priest for you..( again God lied when He said He is a priest forever...Heb. 7:21 )
His blood which He spilled for all sins that has been taken away...that has to stop too being efficacious ....Jesus has to stop being the Lamb of God.
Even in the Old Covenant the priest looked at the lamb for blemishes..not the guy who brought the sacrifice.. the Father looks at Jesus....He is our Lamb! He is spotless and blameless.
We are new creations in Christ. Born from above.
To be unborn ...This is like saying..ok..I do not want to be a human now...see..it just doesn't make sense...how does one "un-born" themselves in the Lord. Peter says we are born again of incorruptible seed - the word of God.
.."...as He is..so also are we in this world.."
It's all really ridiculous...our salvation is not based on us...it is based on Jesus and His finished work!...He is faithful and grace much more abounds around sin.
It's just plain "spiritual ignorance that has gone to seed " to think of His perfect work and that somehow it revolves around us and what we do.
John 10:28 (NASB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] and I "give" eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.
Romans 5:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the "gift" of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
Romans 11:29 (KJV)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
We cannot lose salvation once we are joined to Christ because it is not based on us.
People may say strange things if they are sick in their minds but their spirit ( the inner man in Christ ) is safe with the Lord as it has been created in righteousness and holiness and joined as one spirit with the Lord - sealed with the Holy Spirit of God.
( Somehow some obscure passages of scripture that people take without looking at it in context nullifies all the vast proof of scriptures that speak otherwise of the integrity of God and His completed work....is it possible we have those scriptures interpreted wrong because we look through the wrong "lens"?...of course.. )
Jesus is NOT a liar. He said that the Holy Spirit will be with you forever. Everyone must make up in their own minds if Jesus is lying to us continually in all that He says to us. I - for one am a believer in what Jesus has said and do not bel;ieve for one second that He is a liar.
He can be trusted - let's preach and teach Christ and all that He has done and leave this demon inspired doctrine of Christ separating from us behind.
SAFE OR SAVED/ ONCE SAVED ALMOST SAVED OR ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED
Matthew 19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
There is the doctrine in the Bible where we can use “safe” instead of the usual word ‘saved’ relative to the discussion in mind. Jesus said not to “suffer little children”. This doctrine that when a baby dies not even have the knowledge of salvation or heard the gospel message or even unable to receive God’s truth of Christ is still “safe” in the arms of Jesus and will go to heaven. But once we talked about the reality of ‘saved’ are those who have responded or believed the gospel message and not “being saved”.
So when it comes to the security of the believers we mainly deals with the word “saved’ and not “safe” or “being saved”. Here to follow simply that “Once Saved Always Saved” OSAS I and not “Once Saved Almost Saved” OSAS 2. We are not talking about:
1. Be safe. Psalms 119:17
2. Dwell in safety Deut. 12:10; 33:12, 28
3. Safeguard 2Samuel 18:21, 22
4. Safety Job 3:26
5. Rest in Safety Job 11:18 etc. and etc….
God bless
Matthew 19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
There is the doctrine in the Bible where we can use “safe” instead of the usual word ‘saved’ relative to the discussion in mind. Jesus said not to “suffer little children”. This doctrine that when a baby dies not even have the knowledge of salvation or heard the gospel message or even unable to receive God’s truth of Christ is still “safe” in the arms of Jesus and will go to heaven. But once we talked about the reality of ‘saved’ are those who have responded or believed the gospel message and not “being saved”.
So when it comes to the security of the believers we mainly deals with the word “saved’ and not “safe” or “being saved”. Here to follow simply that “Once Saved Always Saved” OSAS I and not “Once Saved Almost Saved” OSAS 2. We are not talking about:
1. Be safe. Psalms 119:17
2. Dwell in safety Deut. 12:10; 33:12, 28
3. Safeguard 2Samuel 18:21, 22
4. Safety Job 3:26
5. Rest in Safety Job 11:18 etc. and etc….
God bless
This is no longer a discussion, it is make believe conversation.
The Lord has always said if we hold on to Him he will hold on to us.
That is His promise.
Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven.
But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
Matt 10:32-33
Walk with Christ and He will walk with you, disown Him and he will disown you.
Now this is simple language and simple meaning. Take the words of Christ to heart
and walk in faith, for His intention is sure.
The Lord has always said if we hold on to Him he will hold on to us.
That is His promise.
Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven.
But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
Matt 10:32-33
Walk with Christ and He will walk with you, disown Him and he will disown you.
Now this is simple language and simple meaning. Take the words of Christ to heart
and walk in faith, for His intention is sure.
I suppose Paul is lying to us now too? I can't believe how many people in the scriptures that constantly lie to us? It's amazing......
Romans 10:8-11 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART"—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,
[SUP]9 [/SUP] that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
[SUP]10 [/SUP] for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] For the Scripture says, "WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED."
[SUP]12 [/SUP] For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him;
[SUP]13 [/SUP] for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."
I heard a preacher say one time that the Lord has sent him as a missionary. A missionary to who? He is a missionary to the Christians - the Lord wants them to actually believe in Christ and what He has done.
It is no wonder Jesus said "When the Son of Man returns - will He find faith on the earth?"
Philippians 1:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.
..Romans 10:8-11 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART"—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,
[SUP]9 [/SUP] that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
[SUP]10 [/SUP] for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] For the Scripture says, "WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED."
[SUP]12 [/SUP] For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him;
[SUP]13 [/SUP] for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."
I heard a preacher say one time that the Lord has sent him as a missionary. A missionary to who? He is a missionary to the Christians - the Lord wants them to actually believe in Christ and what He has done.
It is no wonder Jesus said "When the Son of Man returns - will He find faith on the earth?"
Philippians 1:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.
2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
But those that name the name of Christ have to depart from iniquity.
And Jesus will never leave or forsake us,but can a person leave Jesus and forsake Him.
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
Jesus will never leave or forsake us,but can a person leave Jesus.I am only wanting to know.
Those that name the name of Christ has to depart from iniquity,not as a suggestion,but as a commandment.
But those that name the name of Christ have to depart from iniquity.
And Jesus will never leave or forsake us,but can a person leave Jesus and forsake Him.
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
Jesus will never leave or forsake us,but can a person leave Jesus.I am only wanting to know.
Those that name the name of Christ has to depart from iniquity,not as a suggestion,but as a commandment.
How does a believer in Christ "un-born" himself from Christ?
2 Peter 2 is talking about false teachers and prophets. Even "if" it was taking about believers which Peter says it is not - it doesn't say they go to hell.
Hebrews 10:26-29 is talking about Hebrews going to the temple for the sacrificing of bulls and sheep for sins after coming to the knowledge of the truth Lord's work on the cross. The only sacrifice for sins is the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ now. The sin of unbelief in Christ's finished work is the "willful sinning" - the rejecting of Christ's sacrifice
No one is disputing what the Christian life looks like when the fruit of the spirit is being manifested in our lives.
That's why we are to teach and preach the love and grace of God in the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ so that we can have the proper "nutrients" to grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord.
2 Peter 2 is talking about false teachers and prophets. Even "if" it was taking about believers which Peter says it is not - it doesn't say they go to hell.
Hebrews 10:26-29 is talking about Hebrews going to the temple for the sacrificing of bulls and sheep for sins after coming to the knowledge of the truth Lord's work on the cross. The only sacrifice for sins is the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ now. The sin of unbelief in Christ's finished work is the "willful sinning" - the rejecting of Christ's sacrifice
No one is disputing what the Christian life looks like when the fruit of the spirit is being manifested in our lives.
That's why we are to teach and preach the love and grace of God in the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ so that we can have the proper "nutrients" to grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord.
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1 Corinthians 9:27
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: (obedience to the truth) lest that by
any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. Paul did not promise them liberty if he himself was a servant of sin. If he did such he would be castaway like chaff in the wind.....Peter said the many fasle prophets would come speaking with "great swelling words of emptiness" promising others freedom in Christ while they themselves were servants of sin and corruption....
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: (obedience to the truth) lest that by
any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. Paul did not promise them liberty if he himself was a servant of sin. If he did such he would be castaway like chaff in the wind.....Peter said the many fasle prophets would come speaking with "great swelling words of emptiness" promising others freedom in Christ while they themselves were servants of sin and corruption....
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How does a believer in Christ "un-born" himself from Christ?
this is nonsensical and lacks sound reasoning. They reach for straws and grasp at anything to deceive the flock. Its quite simple; you die if you fall back into grievous sin, you don't have to be un-born...They want the mythology of OSAS to be true, so in their minds therefore it is...The power of suggestion is a very powerful superstation......I ask you was Esau ever unborn of Issac & Rebecca?
Keep in mind I said grievous sin, not mistakes in judgement, human frailty because we were made subject to vanity for our own good, not free from all knowledge, stumbling's etc...
One doesn't just go along and all the sudden fall into adultery. Those types of sins that will disqualify one from the kingdom are open rebellion to God. He doesn't chastise for those types of sin, the wages of the vile sins of the flesh is death....The day of atonement in the old test. was only for sins of ignorance, not willful rebellion as Paul tells us in Hebrews 10-28 as he explains the consequences for those that continue in willful sin beings that their punishment is even worse, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
this is nonsensical and lacks sound reasoning. They reach for straws and grasp at anything to deceive the flock. Its quite simple; you die if you fall back into grievous sin, you don't have to be un-born...They want the mythology of OSAS to be true, so in their minds therefore it is...The power of suggestion is a very powerful superstation......I ask you was Esau ever unborn of Issac & Rebecca?
Keep in mind I said grievous sin, not mistakes in judgement, human frailty because we were made subject to vanity for our own good, not free from all knowledge, stumbling's etc...
One doesn't just go along and all the sudden fall into adultery. Those types of sins that will disqualify one from the kingdom are open rebellion to God. He doesn't chastise for those types of sin, the wages of the vile sins of the flesh is death....The day of atonement in the old test. was only for sins of ignorance, not willful rebellion as Paul tells us in Hebrews 10-28 as he explains the consequences for those that continue in willful sin beings that their punishment is even worse, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
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I believe a Christian is safe as long as they maintain their faith in God through Jesus Christ. If a person turns from that faith in God, and they can, then they are in danger of losing their soul, now if and when God calls His Spirit back is up to the Lord. I personally know of a woman who was saved for many years and a great worker in the church and she met a Muslim man and fell in love and over time she converted to Islam. I know of a similar case where the same thing happened and the woman converted to the Hindu religion. It can happen, that is why the bible warns us at every turn in the road to keep following Jesus.
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What I find quite remarkable is the OSAS crowd by their OWN ADMISSION number themselves among the wicked, in that their statement of faith proclaims that they sin every day in thought, word, and deed (this out of their own mouths). The devil can’t do worse than that. Since they never speak of what sins they are referencing, one would have to logically assume they mean the vile sins of the flesh that Paul said would disqualify one from inheriting the kingdom. If not, then please make it clear that you mean otherwise.
These say they sin every day, but will never lose their salivation, and promise the same for others. Except to those who have put to death the vile sins of the flesh, they seem to think that if you stop sinning that’s the worst sin of all, and out of the other side of their dialectic mouth they say no one can lose their salvation…..........................I have to ask: if you could stop sinning would you even want to?
Their doctrines make no logical sense to someone with a sound and prudent mind. So, somehow they are going to promise others salvation eternal that can’t be lost while they themselves are still servants of sin….Reminds me of what Peter said “ they come speaking GREAT SWELLING WORDS OF EMPTYNESS promising others liberty while they themselves are servants of corruption………………..
These say they sin every day, but will never lose their salivation, and promise the same for others. Except to those who have put to death the vile sins of the flesh, they seem to think that if you stop sinning that’s the worst sin of all, and out of the other side of their dialectic mouth they say no one can lose their salvation…..........................I have to ask: if you could stop sinning would you even want to?
Their doctrines make no logical sense to someone with a sound and prudent mind. So, somehow they are going to promise others salvation eternal that can’t be lost while they themselves are still servants of sin….Reminds me of what Peter said “ they come speaking GREAT SWELLING WORDS OF EMPTYNESS promising others liberty while they themselves are servants of corruption………………..
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So when a Christian did not maintain his faith in God, is he saved or not?
Who then is this Christian, what does this mean? Is this one a professing or possessing Christ?
Scriptural reasoning is that a true believer in the Lord is the one who is SAVED, SURE and SERVING.
It follows if one is saved that he is surely serving God.
If one is sure that he is saved, he serves the more.
But though he serves the best he can yet not saved that his service will be useless.
Seeing himself UNSURE that he is saved so he keep maintaining it is still his service will be use- less.
Not sure of everything in unstableness...
James 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways
God bless...
Who then is this Christian, what does this mean? Is this one a professing or possessing Christ?
Scriptural reasoning is that a true believer in the Lord is the one who is SAVED, SURE and SERVING.
It follows if one is saved that he is surely serving God.
If one is sure that he is saved, he serves the more.
But though he serves the best he can yet not saved that his service will be useless.
Seeing himself UNSURE that he is saved so he keep maintaining it is still his service will be use- less.
Not sure of everything in unstableness...
James 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways
God bless...
Great post.
Great point.
WHY would the bible exhort us to hold on to our faith, if it were NOT possible to lose it??
Of course, it's possible to lose it.
I guess it's too scary a thought for some.
I feel secure in the arms of my LORD and SAVIOR.
Maybe some here don't? So they have to make up their own gospel.
Great point.
WHY would the bible exhort us to hold on to our faith, if it were NOT possible to lose it??
Of course, it's possible to lose it.
I guess it's too scary a thought for some.
I feel secure in the arms of my LORD and SAVIOR.
Maybe some here don't? So they have to make up their own gospel.
FOH
Think about this well...
It is the OSAS crowd that is NOT SURE OF THEIR SALVATION.
Why?
Because one day, THROUGH NO CHOICE OF THEIR OWN (since it is GOD who is HOLDING ON TO THEM)
they could discover they were NEVER SAVED TO BEGIN WITH!!
Either by gross sinning OR by just losing their faith!
I and those who agree with me, are much more secure in our faith,
Why?
Because it is our CHOICE to remain IN CHRIST.
YOU, OTOH, have no choice since choice and free will were taken away from you at "salvation".
If you DID still have FREE CHOICE, you wouldn't INSIST that salvation cannot be lost because God is holding on to you.
Think about it.
Think about this well...
It is the OSAS crowd that is NOT SURE OF THEIR SALVATION.
Why?
Because one day, THROUGH NO CHOICE OF THEIR OWN (since it is GOD who is HOLDING ON TO THEM)
they could discover they were NEVER SAVED TO BEGIN WITH!!
Either by gross sinning OR by just losing their faith!
I and those who agree with me, are much more secure in our faith,
Why?
Because it is our CHOICE to remain IN CHRIST.
YOU, OTOH, have no choice since choice and free will were taken away from you at "salvation".
If you DID still have FREE CHOICE, you wouldn't INSIST that salvation cannot be lost because God is holding on to you.
Think about it.
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