Those Who Deny Sin in a Believer
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MY gOD MAN YOUR EVEN SCRUTINISING WORDS WITH THE DICTIONARIES TO PROVE YOUR BAD DOCTRINS......
mate if your not carefull youll end up being a foolish galation...
mate if your not carefull youll end up being a foolish galation...
The bibles we have today have to use one word to try to convey the meaning of the word in the original Greek which could have many meanings.
So we have English interpretation which may not necessarily reflect the word used in Greek.
One example is when Jesus asked Peter 3 times do you love me. That's what we have in our bible. "Do you love me?
Lets look at the word love in the original text.
When Jesus asked Peter, “Do you love me?” in John 21:15–16, He used the Greek word agape, which refers to unconditional love.
Both times, Peter responded with “Yes, Lord; you know that I love you,” using the Greek word phileo, which refers more to a brotherly/friendship type of love.
It seems that Jesus is trying to get Peter to understand that he must love Jesus unconditionally in order to be the leader God is calling him to be.
The third time Jesus asks, “Do you love me?” in John 21:17, He uses the word phileo, and Peter again responds with “Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you,” again using phileo. The point in the different Greek words for “love” seems to be that Jesus was stretching Peter to move him from phileo love to agape love.
I asked a question based on your post #208 "What is that hope?
DC posts the meaning of the word hope in its context.
What do you do?
You mock him for actually taking time to look at the meaning of the word hope in its context in order to prove his bad doctrine and warn him that he could become a foolish Galatian, you start this MY GOD MAN.
You respond to my post "What is hope? with "Get real"
For some reason you did not answer my question, no idea why. Maybe you could answer the next question I asked.
Please reveal to me what part getting real that I don't understand.
I posted this in another thread.....questioned about my confidence in eternal life and salvation....this is my answer....
ALL who teach you can lose salvation answer the questions and or statement that is given in the bolded below...rather simple answers...no need for a page of why you reject this verse and the implications.....I will also answer...
Based upon the immutable word of God, inspired verb tense, inspired words and context I have no fear of being wrong in my assessment.....
The bible is clear....so answer the following questions without bias or preconceived ideas or doctrine...
I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.
What does the following mean...?
a. Whatsoever GOD doeth (does)
b. It shall be for ever
c. Is salvation something GOD does?
d. If it is what does B say<---it shall be for ever
a. MEANS whatever GOD does......everything GOD does
b. AS applied to "a" everything that God does has eternal consequence
c. YES, God and GOD alone saves through JESUS
d. SALVATION is ETERNAL<--reference "b" above!
ALL who teach you can lose salvation answer the questions and or statement that is given in the bolded below...rather simple answers...no need for a page of why you reject this verse and the implications.....I will also answer...
Based upon the immutable word of God, inspired verb tense, inspired words and context I have no fear of being wrong in my assessment.....
The bible is clear....so answer the following questions without bias or preconceived ideas or doctrine...
I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.
What does the following mean...?
a. Whatsoever GOD doeth (does)
b. It shall be for ever
c. Is salvation something GOD does?
d. If it is what does B say<---it shall be for ever
a. MEANS whatever GOD does......everything GOD does
b. AS applied to "a" everything that God does has eternal consequence
c. YES, God and GOD alone saves through JESUS
d. SALVATION is ETERNAL<--reference "b" above!
There is no need for a sun in the heavenly city of God. Jesus shines so bright...we can't imagine that. That is holiness. Purity.
It will take His whole body on earth and in heaven to match Him. We have degrees of His brightness which we can call a holy life. Yet, will always be less for we are born of earthly parents. Our spirits though...here is our salvation of our soul and body, as we learn to be Spirit.
It will take His whole body on earth and in heaven to match Him. We have degrees of His brightness which we can call a holy life. Yet, will always be less for we are born of earthly parents. Our spirits though...here is our salvation of our soul and body, as we learn to be Spirit.
AMEN to this truth....I will take the inspired word over the English word any day, all day and every day.....we can rest assured in JESUS.....
ONCE we have been called, convicted, enlightened and have acknowledged JESUS by faith....HE WILL FINISH IT AND bring it to fruition in the day of Christ......HE WILL never LEAVE us nor FORSAKE US.....NOW....he may whip our butts or yank our rewards (as in chastisement) but we are eternally saved, sealed, justified and sanctified (positionally) in Christ!
ONCE we have been called, convicted, enlightened and have acknowledged JESUS by faith....HE WILL FINISH IT AND bring it to fruition in the day of Christ......HE WILL never LEAVE us nor FORSAKE US.....NOW....he may whip our butts or yank our rewards (as in chastisement) but we are eternally saved, sealed, justified and sanctified (positionally) in Christ!
We are above sin. God's word says that we are to reckon ourselves dead to sin and alive unto God. To serve in the newness of the spirit and not the oldness of the letter. His word says that grace teaches us to say no to ungodliness and wordly lusts. So yes, we are above sin by being under grace. God's word says that sin shall not have dominion over you for you are not under the law, but grace.
Your example of Daniel doesn't apply to us because Daniel wasn't born-again, filled with the Spirit as we are. We have been made new creations, once dead and now alive. Filled with the Holy Spirit, being made His temple. With Him comes fruit, fruits of righteousness. I am not denying that we still sin but we are going through a process of sanctification. In this process character is built. We are chastised and sanctified to walk as we should, because that is who we are in Christ. Righteous by imputation.
My point is that even if it isn't the case, I wish it was. I wish, I hope, we could walk sinless if it were at all possible in this life. That is all I was implying in the first paragraph. Yet too, I was making a case to not treat sin as if its the norm and perfectly okay. The apostle Paul in the word says to not treat, basically, our new found liberty as an occasion (opportunity) for the flesh, but to be servants of righteousness. This implies choice. Shall you sin or will you walk righteously? If you fall, His grace is sufficient, but next time choose righteousness.
Your example of Daniel doesn't apply to us because Daniel wasn't born-again, filled with the Spirit as we are. We have been made new creations, once dead and now alive. Filled with the Holy Spirit, being made His temple. With Him comes fruit, fruits of righteousness. I am not denying that we still sin but we are going through a process of sanctification. In this process character is built. We are chastised and sanctified to walk as we should, because that is who we are in Christ. Righteous by imputation.
My point is that even if it isn't the case, I wish it was. I wish, I hope, we could walk sinless if it were at all possible in this life. That is all I was implying in the first paragraph. Yet too, I was making a case to not treat sin as if its the norm and perfectly okay. The apostle Paul in the word says to not treat, basically, our new found liberty as an occasion (opportunity) for the flesh, but to be servants of righteousness. This implies choice. Shall you sin or will you walk righteously? If you fall, His grace is sufficient, but next time choose righteousness.
For those who say DANIEL was not saved....
a. Faith is a spiritual GIFT
b. ONE cannot posses FAITH without being saved
c. One cannot understand the word of God without a spiritual birth
This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard....
He makes the 11th chapters of HEBREWS and was a MAN of FAITH......YOU cannot have FAITH without being saved.....
The message was preached from GENESIS 3:15
DANIEL, Abraham, Joshua, DAVID etc. were ALL saved and DAVID even speaks to the JOY of SALVATION in the PSALMS....
IGNORANCE!
a. Faith is a spiritual GIFT
b. ONE cannot posses FAITH without being saved
c. One cannot understand the word of God without a spiritual birth
This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard....
He makes the 11th chapters of HEBREWS and was a MAN of FAITH......YOU cannot have FAITH without being saved.....
The message was preached from GENESIS 3:15
DANIEL, Abraham, Joshua, DAVID etc. were ALL saved and DAVID even speaks to the JOY of SALVATION in the PSALMS....
IGNORANCE!
MARK 10:17-24,
And when He was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to Him,
and asked Him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou Me good? there is none good but One, God.
Thou knowest the Commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal,
Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
And he answered and said unto Him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.
Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing you lackest: go thy way,
sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven:
and come, take up the cross, and follow Me.
And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.
And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto His disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches
enter into the kingdom of God!
And the disciples were astonished at His words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them,
Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the Kingdom of God!
And when He was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to Him,
and asked Him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou Me good? there is none good but One, God.
Thou knowest the Commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal,
Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
And he answered and said unto Him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.
Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing you lackest: go thy way,
sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven:
and come, take up the cross, and follow Me.
And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.
And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto His disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches
enter into the kingdom of God!
And the disciples were astonished at His words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them,
Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the Kingdom of God!
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