Have you believed the false grace message?

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Amen, there is an epidemic of abandonment whether it be via religion or just straight up turning away. Only the Holy Spirit can heal these soul wounds but i've found it takes a lot of time in most cases. It shouldn't be sought after like a drive thru. Many miles to go yet...
Me too man. I feel like I've been kicked around pretty good. Somehow I am still on my feet. My kid is thriving and I am way better than I deserve! Lol
 
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Me too man. I feel like I've been kicked around pretty good. Somehow I am still on my feet. My kid is thriving and I am way better than I deserve! Lol
Right on bro!
 

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We are supposed to be helping people find Christ. The people who say you must be sinless paint a picture in my mind of people harping at someone behind Jesus as He tries to love someone....and Jesus is saying.....SHUT UP. Lol

If you can't hear a persons "ugly" without causing them to feel judged.... you're doing it wrong.
The sinless perfectionists are a problem to be sure. Perfection simply means to be complete within ourselves, as God is complete within Himself, and we are set aside for God, called out the world, to do good works according to His will. It is one of the reasons why I still go to meetings: to listen, and to carry the message of hope to those who still suffer, knowing they suffer largely because they live without an acceptance of the one true God in their lives.

I do not run after the things our culture is serving up as love any more. I gave that up when I became a Christian over twelve years ago. He has delivered me of many things; even before I was more fully surrendered to Him, He was working in my life. He responded to my cry for help when I did not even know if He was real. The human psyche is quite complex. We are all wired a certain way due to the influences in our lives, but the one thing we have in common before we bend the knee before God is that we are spiritually dead to Him in the natural and need to be regenerated spiritually.

I love going to meetings also because I hear the message being carried by others. I hear what they are saying and I recognize God at work in their lives and it is such a blessing to be witness to that.
 

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Amen, there is an epidemic of abandonment whether it be via religion or just straight up turning away. Only the Holy Spirit can heal these soul wounds but i've found it takes a lot of time in most cases. It shouldn't be sought after like a drive thru. Many miles to go yet...
That is for sure! I was a seeker for many years and God revealed Himself to me a few times before I was able to lay down my opposition to Him. No human power could have accomplished that through their approach of believe or else. I was running from that.
 
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Life has been a challenge for me. And largely because of my own choices... I make no bones about that. But God always uses the bad choices of man to bring about His glory....I'm comforted by that. I hope that God is pleased with the season that is on me....so when He eats me it doesn't taste too bad! LOL!
 

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Me too man. I feel like I've been kicked around pretty good. Somehow I am still on my feet. My kid is thriving and I am way better than I deserve! Lol
Your son is blessed to have you as a father, Sirk :)
 
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Life has been a challenge for me. And largely because of my own choices... I make no bones about that. But God always uses the bad choices of man to bring about His glory....I'm comforted by that. I hope that God is pleased with the season that is on me....so when He eats me it doesn't taste too bad! LOL!
Sounds like authentic grace to me. :D
 
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Yes, and Amen, God does not force us in to Salvation, why do we think we as mere humans can force people into Salvation.
 
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Yes, and Amen, God does not force us in to Salvation, why do we think we as mere humans can force people into Salvation.
Well my stoic side would answer because we as humans don't see ourselves as mere humans...that's why we must put in the hours with the Holy Spirit imo.
 
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Yes, and Amen, God does not force us in to Salvation, why do we think we as mere humans can force people into Salvation.

Yup...we need to be a soft place for people to land. It's between them and God if they have citizenship.
 
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That yes and Amen was for Sirk, for some reason I don't get the original quotes in my posts. Ill figure it out.
 
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Thats right, we need to get the judgement and religion out of us so we can be a true reflection of the Salvation of Christ

Yup...we need to be a soft place for people to land. It's between them and God if they have citizenship.
 

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Well my stoic side would answer because we as humans don't see ourselves as mere humans...that's why we must put in the hours with the Holy Spirit imo.
I recognized my powerlessness at an early age, as my life continually unraveled while I searched for meaning and purpose. It was a huge shock to my psyche to discover that that which I had been seeking was the same as I had been running away from all those years. Now I can see my running as defiance and rebellion. The rebellion part I did not mind so much at the time because didn't it mean I was open minded to reject traditional things such as God and Christianity? Of course I was rejecting false religion and legalism as much as anything, even before I knew what they were :D
 
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Thats right, we need to get the judgement and religion out of us so we can be a true reflection of the Salvation of Christ
True religion is helping orphans and widows in their distress.

Doesn't get anymore plain than that.
 
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I It was a huge shock to my psyche to discover that that which I had been seeking was the same as I had been running away from all those years.
Your preaching. Now we're having church.
You see the devices of the enemy meant to destroy you, me and everyone by isolating us with abandonment, the dark art of shunning, and ignoring basic emotional, physical needs as a family. BUT! But, Father said "No, watch this! I'm going to turn that bad into good." We need to watch and understand.
 
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....and we're all orphans. Some of us just got adopted. We gonna curse the ones who haven't yet? Tell them they have to measure up to some standard before they can stand in our self important presence?
 
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I think John 5:24 means that anyone who believes in Him has the life.
But I also believe and take care that my heart doesn't become evil and unbelieving and hardened as with Israel in the desert. Who was God displeased with and swore that they would not enter His rest? Wasn't it those He saved? They believed in Him for saving or they would never have stepped out between those walls of water. But then they became evil and unbelieving about food and water (provision). They believed Him for a very big thing - their saving, but then they refused over and over to believe Him or obey about smaller things like food and water. So we see that He saved them but their subsequent unbelief displeased Him. This is not remaining in the trust that saved you. So it was because of unbelief that they failed to enter His rest.

And I believe that branches that don't remain in trust are in danger of being cut off. But I also see that He is very patient. He gave them 40 years before He swore they would not enter His rest for unbelief. So He is kind and merciful and patient.

So the verses in tension to the verse you give have to be taken into account too. Because if He severed a branch that did not continue in trust so that I could be grafted in, won't He sever me if I don't continue in trust? He will not treat me different will He?
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"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.


Why miss or overlook the double negative of will not, absolutely will not come into judgement?
 
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Would the sheep run toward the shepherd if the shepherd abused his sheep?

Luke 6: 39And He also spoke a parable to them: “A blind man cannot guide a blind man, can he? Will they not both fall into a pit? 40“A pupil is not above his teacher; but everyone, after he has been fully trained, will be like his teacher.

Matt 15:12Then the disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this statement?” 13But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father did not plant shall be uprooted. 14Let them alone; they are blind guides of the blind. And if a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit.”

The answer is yes.