Those Who Deny Sin in a Believer

[QuikSand]

The Gospel of Jesus the Christ

The gospel of Jesus the Christ is the good news.
The good news of grace and truth made known to this world through
the Holy Ghost by the name above all names Jesus the Christ the first born of God
the Son of the living God the son of man given birth by woman to which came from man.

For it is written in the Holy Bible...
the scriptures of truth inspired by God.

In the beginning was the Word
and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him;
and without him was not any thing made that was made.

He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God,

Which were born of God.

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;
for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin,
because he is born of God.

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not;
but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself,
and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Have you received the Word?

If you will receive the Word
God will give you power to become a son of God.
And if you become a son of God by that power
You will become born of God.

And if you become born of God
You will cease from doing sin.

If we say we have sin and say we are born of God
then we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

When Christians tell you they still sin and are born of God...
they are liars. They are not born of God.

When preachers tell you
that even though you are born of God you will still sin....
they are liars. You are not born of God.

For it is written...

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;
for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin,
because he is born of God.

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not;
but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself,
and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Satan never wants you to believe or know
that by grace through faith in Jesus Christ
you can become born of God and never
commit another sin.

The reason Christians do not want to believe they can
live without committing sin is because they love there sins
more than God.

That is what it is all about.

The love of sin vs the love of God.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I sinned today. I had to crawl into this nasty attic....like in and out 15 times trying to fish wires. I said the F word at least a 3 times. Do you think Jesus forgives me or am I going to hell for getting frustrated on the account of getting stabbed in the head by a roofing nail?

I think He is trying to teach you patience and teaching you to walk in the peace of His Spirit, and to receive the blessing of not losing your peace based on your current circumstance. Scripture says He guides our every step. So He puts us in every single circumstance to lead us toward that blessing. In a pretty real sense, to curse over a flat tire is to say to God that I don't like what He is doing because it has caused me some discomfort. Maybe I got the flat tire to keep me out of a wreck further down the road. And maybe the 15 trips up and down for you were to frustrate you even further so you could learn a little better to walk in the Spirit even in discomforts.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

What is wrong with the F word?

1. It demeans the act of love into abuse
2. It links the creative act of our very lives to pain
3. It conveys a rejection about the whole situation we are in
4. It exagurates the impact of whatever is happening
5. It often links violence and aggression to the situation

As a follower of Jesus none of these attributes would I want to link to an event
or anything I was involved with.

I don't think the F word was the problem. It was just a result of the problem. The problem began on the inside. The F word was just the spilling over of the problem to the outside. In my opinion, the problem was impatience with where God had put him that moment.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

This reminds me of an old chinese proverb I read - whatever you are carrying will spill out when someone bumps you.

 

[PeterJens]

I don't think the F word was the problem. It was just a result of the problem. The problem began on the inside. The F word was just the spilling over of the problem to the outside. In my opinion, the problem was impatience with where God had put him that moment.

I can relate to that impatience, when I want things to take a short time, and wrap up,
and task after task comes up, and it is more difficult, it can just get to much.

I find myself have to go, opps, reset, put things into a different agenda and work
through what I need to do and how I am doing it again. But the hassel can be quite
wearing.

I got eaten by my daughter yesterday, emotionally stressed, up tight, snappy, and target
Dad as the cause. I then reset, and start again, because I know what this is like and it is
hard as a teenager, doing stuff which you will fail at, and is very new, and how do you back
off when things go wrong. I have seen this from people who learnt it, and from those who
actually became mentally ill. So I am very wary and aware pressure matters and how we deal
with it. Thank God for Jesus and His love and finding a place of rest.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

So to strive to not say the word is sort of like if I went to the chiropractor and said I need help, and for him to say, oh, I can immediately see where your pain is coming from. We can easily fix this! Just stand up and walk straight. Your pain is coming from walking all hunched over and favoring your left side!

And the man would say, no, you don't understand! I am walking this way BECAUSE of the pain! There is something wrong inside, in my spines alignment! To tell me to just stand up and walk straight is ridiculous and I'm not going to pay you for this stupid advice!

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I can relate to that impatience, when I want things to take a short time, and wrap up,
and task after task comes up, and it is more difficult, it can just get to much.

I find myself have to go, opps, reset, put things into a different agenda and work
through what I need to do and how I am doing it again. But the hassel can be quite
wearing.

I got eaten by my daughter yesterday, emotionally stressed, up tight, snappy, and target
Dad as the cause. I then reset, and start again, because I know what this is like and it is
hard as a teenager, doing stuff which you will fail at, and is very new, and how do you back
off when things go wrong. I have seen this from people who learnt it, and from those who
actually became mentally ill. So I am very wary and aware pressure matters and how we deal
with it. Thank God for Jesus and His love and finding a place of rest.

I used this quote somewhere the other day, but it seems relevant here too, with your situation. I don't remember the mans name, but he said, how we treat someone at their worst determines how well love is working in us.

 

[JIMBO43]

Is it?

That's quite a generalisation.

Yes you may get the odd bad apple who abuses grace,

On the whole though I would say that most would think it's not ok to sin but understand people do sin.
Whether it be by commission or omission.

That of course does not condone sin/sinning.
We are responsible for our actions full stop.

Ok maybe your right maybe some dont abuse that fact... but i bet that some here do...

 

[BillG]

Ok maybe your right maybe some dont abuse that fact... but i bet that some here do...

Yes there will be some who do. I've seen it in real life. I remember once a friend of mine and his girlfriend slept together all the time. One night I got drunk (I was in a bad place but not excusing myself) but I slept with someone.

when I talked to it about to my friend he replied "It's ok it's forgiven" he had no guilt for what he was doing, as for me I was racked with grief and guilt and felt so bad. I have to be honest I couldn't understand why I felt guilt and he didn't and I thought why can't I be like he was. Fornicate and it's forgiven.

Do you know what, I would rather be racked with remorse and guilt, one that leads to Godly repentance.

I am glad to say that my friend repented from his attitude.

He got it in the end and we should all get it.

Romans 6:1-4


Dead to Sin, Alive to God


What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

The grace of God does abound our sins but not in order to sin.
But if we do sin his grace covers it.

Psalms 103:10-14
He has not dealt with us according to our sins,
Nor punished us according to our iniquities.
For as the heavens are high above the earth,
So great is His mercy toward those who fear Him;
As far as the east is from the west,
So far has He removed our transgressions from us.
As a father pities his children,
So the Lord pities those who fear Him.
For He knows our frame;
He remembers that we are dust.

 

[JIMBO43]

Yes there will be some who do. I've seen it in real life. I remember once a friend of mine and his girlfriend slept together all the time. One night I got drunk (I was in a bad place but not excusing myself) but I slept with someone.

when I talked to it about to my friend he replied "It's ok it's forgiven" he had no guilt for what he was doing, as for me I was racked with grief and guilt and felt so bad. I have to be honest I couldn't understand why I felt guilt and he didn't and I thought why can't I be like he was. Fornicate and it's forgiven.

Do you know what, I would rather be racked with remorse and guilt, one that leads to Godly repentance.

I am glad to say that my friend repented from his attitude.

He got it in the end and we should all get it.

Romans 6:1-4


Dead to Sin, Alive to God


What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

The grace of God does abound our sins but not in order to sin.
But if we do sin his grace covers it.

Psalms 103:10-14
He has not dealt with us according to our sins,
Nor punished us according to our iniquities.
For as the heavens are high above the earth,
So great is His mercy toward those who fear Him;
As far as the east is from the west,
So far has He removed our transgressions from us.
As a father pities his children,
So the Lord pities those who fear Him.
For He knows our frame;
He remembers that we are dust.

you where drunk,, maybe your mate was always drunk too.. maybe you where just the tpyical lad growing up anyhows,,, its not always like this you meat people sober and fall in love... (is this a sin) well no its not because the lord blesses it with marriage and seals it... in the old days when there was no weeding certicacates.... people where just wed formaly i believ... it just a sad state they charge money for this service should be free,,, in my book,,, but obviously one should pay for the party,, or maybe everyone should chip in to sanction such a wedding... but sadly noooooooo the church charges money,,,, instead of asking for a donation...of all who attend the service...

 

[JIMBO43]

But even tho the lords seals your marriage ( GUESS WHAT) you can still decide to kick that seal away...........end of story

 

[wsblind]

Yes there will be some who do. I've seen it in real life. I remember once a friend of mine and his girlfriend slept together all the time. One night I got drunk (I was in a bad place but not excusing myself) but I slept with someone.

This isn't the real problem in Christianity today though. Iv'e got a real life story also.

Our old pastor was busted for hiring a prostitute. Our church had probably about 500 to 700 people in it.

He was fired. And made a public apology to us. And I watched just about every person walk up to him, hug him, smile and said," It's all forgiven."

And when we had group bible study after this, I watched those very same people, gossip,malign and burn him at the stake........ including the new pastor.

For every one believer who messes up royally, there are 1000 that have themselves set up on a pedestal.

 

[dcontroversal]

But even tho the lords seals your marriage ( GUESS WHAT) you can still decide to kick that seal away...........end of story

Not hardly.....the sealing of the Holy Spirit is the prepayment of our ETERNAL inheritance....not even close to marriage between a man and a woman...

NOW....Book, chapter and VERSE concerning your implication.......one that states the Holy Spirit SEALS your marriage......VERBATIM!

 

[JIMBO43]

maybe i should just stand in the firing line and be shot. or maybe i should just pray something like surely grace and mercy will follow me even tho i face this firing line lol..
Now maybe i SHOULD JUST APPLY ONE MEANING TO EVERYTHING I DO.......(LIKE).....I SHALL FEAR NO EVIL BUT IN ONE SENCE.... (ME)..... Na ..... i think i look at this way the lord is my hero not me,,, he will save me.. not me... for i am nothing without him.

He sees to my garden he is the way maker.. he is the light and i am also a light now that i am in his light for i can do nothing without him as all things have come through him..

So in a nut shell i take no glory i only worship it.

sometimes i pray when im in a situtation i pray lord please get this guy to leave me alone lol i know and it works,, he just walks me away to pastures new. now that said would he have done this if i thought i can handle this. (only if i thought it best to walk (which some dont even me at times... its called human emotion which unfortuanately there is also the human tounge,,, which can be tamed but just not zipped lol..

now its the same for the head and the mind if it gets polluted it rots.. if it gets diluted grows...so my dilution is this if ye have faith as small as a mustard seed it can grow to the point where it just gets justified,, and then gets justified again

 

[dcontroversal]

maybe i should just stand in the firing line and be shot. or maybe i should just pray something like surely grace and mercy will follow me even tho i face this firing line lol..
Now maybe i SHOULD JUST APPLY ONE MEANING TO EVERYTHING I DO.......(LIKE).....I SHALL FEAR NO EVIL BUT IN ONE SENCE.... (ME)..... Na ..... i think i look at this way the lord is my hero not me,,, he will save me.. not me... for i am nothing without him.

He sees to my garden he is the way maker.. he is the light and i am also a light now that i am in his light for i can do nothing without him as all things have come through him..

So in a nut shell i take no glory i only worship it.

sometimes i pray when im in a situtation i pray lord please get this guy to leave me alone lol i know and it works,, he just walks me away to pastures new. now that said would he have done this if i thought i can handle this. (only if i thought it best to walk (which some dont even me at times... its called human emotion which unfortuanately there is also the human tounge,,, which can be tamed but just not zipped lol..

now its the same for the head and the mind if it gets polluted it rots.. if it gets diluted grows...so my dilution is this if ye have faith as small as a mustad seed it can grow to the point where it gets justified,, and then gets justified again

Serious question....How old are you?

 

[JIMBO43]

Serious question....How old are you?

one year older than my jimbo 43.. but i feel more like the day i was born everyday.. maybe its my freedommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[JIMBO43]

hmmm back to the attack the person integrity to get a reaction.. i know the games what goes on in people minds,,, some sware by getting the other person to retaliate... they have sayings like whats good for the goose is goof for the gander.. and some people also believe in an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.. but sadly at what cost do they show mercy.

I guess this is the work of Satan as i seariously believ he has none surley grace and mercy will follow those who walk in his statutes.. and surely grace and mercy will become a fruit of the believer.. so where is your mercy dc as it seems your stooping really low now attacking my character with trying to beliite me in public with asking how old i am as to suugest i am immature and not fit to ware his sandals,,, or wash your feet,,, tell me brother may i wash your feet ?

 

[JIMBO43]

do you know what the first transgression in the bible was dc,,, i bet i dont get an answer straight away..meaning answer with your heart now.. if ya dont know just say it

 

[dcontroversal]

hmmm back to the attack the person integrity to get a reaction.. i know the games what goes on in people minds,,, some sware by getting the other person to retaliate... they have sayings like whats good for the goose is goof for the gander.. and some people also believe in an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.. but sadly at what cost do they show mercy.

I guess this is the work of Satan as i seariously believ he has none surley grace and mercy will follow those who walk in his statutes.. and surely grace and mercy will become a fruit of the believer.. so where is your mercy dc as it seems your stooping really low now attacking my character with trying to beliite me in public with asking how old i am as to suugest i am immature and not fit to ware his sandals,,, or wash your feet,,, tell me brother may i wash your feet ?

I did not try to belittle you....I seriously wanted to know how old you are....so you assumption and statement misses the mark pal....contrary to your view there is not a devil behind every bush.......

 

[JIMBO43]

I did not try to belittle you....I seriously wanted to know how old you are....so you assumption and statement misses the mark pal....contrary to your view there is not a devil behind every bush.......

Back to definition of using the word pal in a hostile sence.. maybe your just staring to get annoyed by truth ?