Flood - worldwide or local?

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Magenta

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could be, I know many believe it is our fault the birth pangs occur.. Our mistreatment of the earth, which causes it to go into these things (like Global issues causing all these great massive storms these past few years. )
GM crop insecticides have pretty much been proven to be the cause, though of course Monsanto denies it.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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GM crop insecticides have pretty much been proven to be the cause, though of course Monsanto denies it.
would not surprise me, alot of times we do things to make our lives better, seems it backfires. Then we deny we had anything to do with it.
 
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Surely not this one :) Czech communism in action.

[video=youtube;3qrn0hdh92M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qrn0hdh92M[/video]

lol. Nope. .not even the american version (if there was one) lol
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trofimus

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Okay, if it's misinterpreted, can you explain how the Ark comes to rest on the mountains of Ararat?

Genesis 8:4 "and in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat."
For a better English, I will use citation again:

"So he waited yet another seven days; and again he sent out the dove from the ark. And the dove came to him toward evening; and behold, in her beak was a freshly picked olive leaf. So Noah knew that the water was abated from the earth. (Genesis 8:10-11)

If the ark had come to rest on the top of Mount Ararat, this would be at 17,000 foot elevation. Olive trees (and every other tree) do not grow at 17,000 feet. In fact, you will not find olive trees growing much above 5,000 feet. Therefore, we know from the Bible that the ark did not come to rest on or near the top of Mount Ararat, but probably somewhere on the foothills of the mountain."

The Genesis Flood: Why the Bible Says It Must be Local
 
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Magenta

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For a better English, I will use citation again:

"So he waited yet another seven days; and again he sent out the dove from the ark. And the dove came to him toward evening; and behold, in her beak was a freshly picked olive leaf. So Noah knew that the water was abated from the earth. (Genesis 8:10-11)

If the ark had come to rest on the top of Mount Ararat, this would be at 17,000 foot elevation. Olive trees (and every other tree) do not grow at 17,000 feet. In fact, you will not find olive trees growing much above 5,000 feet. Therefore, we know from the Bible that the ark did not come to rest on or near the top of Mount Ararat, but probably somewhere on the foothills of the mountain."

The Genesis Flood: Why the Bible Says It Must be Local
That sounds nice in theory and all but is actually a logical fallacy, because even if the ark did land at the top of the mountains, there would be absolutely nothing preventing a bird from traversing a few thousand feet to said vegetation.
 

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Unless, or, until, y'all understands, there was an earth/heaven age that was before this current earth/heaven age, and there shall BE another earth/heaven age, WHEN, Jesus comes back, after this earth/heaven age we currently live in at this present time? You may (perhaps) understand King Solomon's declaration, that everything is vanity. The earth is billions of years old! This current creation (earth/heaven age), since Adam n Eve is but around 6,000 years (laps around the sun). One can simply view a global map and, see, where, the earth has moved. Science calls 'em tectonic plate shifts. "Oil", is a naturally occurring phenomena, that if man DIDN'T use it? This 'ol planet WOULD explode! Christianity, as it has become, is about to become victim of an MAJOR upheaval. Libtards are as stupid as muslims, as a result of genetic manipulation, from forces that neither they, nor most of Christianity realize, nor would accept, as being blossomed on "stoney ground". "Traditions of men" IS/ARE only 1 of the sins that are not covered in the "multitude" of sins, with love. There are more, that love doesn't cover, but, beings a "work in progress" that I am? This is as far as I've grown thus far. Hopefully, more to come, God willin', and me efforts don't get me kilt off! :cool:.....Pressing onwards!......Contending....Always!
 

trofimus

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That sounds nice in theory and all but is actually a logical fallacy, because even if the ark did land at the top of the mountains, there would be absolutely nothing preventing a bird from traversing a few thousand feet to said vegetation.
Mybe. But there are so many problems with the global flood that dove flying 11 000 feet down and up with something in her beak is the smallest thing that worries me :)
 
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I am wondering what kind of a bulge would be created by mountains being underwater on one side of the planet?

Since water flows / gravitates to a lower level,what made the water "gather up" into a heap on only one side of the planet?
 
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The only example I can think of where a world flood is poo pooed is the atheist and his bizarre evolution faith based conjecture.
 

trofimus

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I am wondering what kind of a bulge would be created by mountains being underwater on one side of the planet?

Since water flows / gravitates to a lower level,what made the water "gather up" into a heap on only one side of the planet?
Logically, if the flood was all over the planet, where how could the waters "recede"? Recede to where?
Also, how could wind "dry the land" if the water was all over the surface of the planet?

No need to mention problems with small ark full of living creatures shaking by the planetary disaster from place to place. No need to mention that it could not take all animals or that some animals would not survive even a day after the flood (kiwi, for example).

We can see that the flood was local from the Bible alone, we dont even need any other source for that.
 

Magenta

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I am wondering what kind of a bulge would be created by mountains being underwater on one side of the planet?

Since water flows / gravitates to a lower level,what made the water "gather up" into a heap on only one side of the planet?
There's so much we don't know it is a wonder we think we know anything :D

It is interesting, though, to realize that one area can flood while
surrounding areas do not. It happens quite often, actually.

God moves in mysterious ways and so too does mother nature.


 
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The Bible does not say that the water was 15 cubits over the mountain tops. Its a wrong translation.

Water was 15 cubits deep in total, it also covered the hills.

Translation is always an intepretation, we must realize this.
I think the 15 cubits was the depth of the flood. Some believe, which I hold to, that before the flood mountains and valleys did not have the differences in height they have to today.

In that way Noah's Flood didn't cover the Himalayas, it formed them, just as it formed the Grand Canyon.

There is an passage in Genesis that is I believe in general is overlooked, but holds what I believe to be key into our early world after the flood. Genesis 10:25 states

...“Two sons were born to Eber: One was named Peleg, because in his time the earth was divided”.

I believe this passage describes a time when God supernaturally separated the continents one from another. The Bible says that Peleg (which means divide) was born 100 years after the flood and lived for 239 years. The division is said to have taken place during his lifetime but does not say how long it took.

It would seem at that time the highest mountain was approx. 22 ½ feet.(fifteenth cubits)

Gen 7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains werecovered.

After six months of flooding and terrestrial deluge — according to Psalm 104:6–8 — the mountains were raised and the valleys lowered . Never again to be destroyed by flood.

You have set the earth firmly on its foundations, and it will never be moved.You placed the ocean over it like a robe, and the water covered the mountains. When you rebuked the waters, they fled they rushed away when they heard your shout of command. They flowed over the mountains and into the valleys,to the place you had made for them. You set a boundary they can never pass, to keep them from “covering” the earth again. Psalm 104:6–8
 
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eternally-gratefull

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How long did it take Noah to build the ark?
 
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BeyondET

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There's so much we don't know it is a wonder we think we know anything :D

It is interesting, though, to realize that one area can flood while
surrounding areas do not. It happens quite often, actually.

God moves in mysterious ways and so too does mother nature.


Today's science has a word for this, called (atmospheric river storm) flooding on a grand scale a storm that can rain for over 40 days straight, in the mid 1800 such a storm slammed into the southern parts of California it rained for 43 days and left the southern part of California covered with water.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Today's science has a word for this, called (atmospheric river storm) flooding on a grand scale a storm that can rain for over 40 days straight, in the mid 1800 such a storm slammed into the southern parts of California it rained for 43 days and left the southern part of California covered with water.

How deep was the flood?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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God said two, don't you think He could manage with that,
So God miraculously kept two bees alive for two years. and the natural things concerning bees and how they live and thrive did not matter?