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Re: Polygamy -- continuation of older thread.
DanD, there is nothing much I detest so much as a one-issue person. I won't say Christian, because I have my doubts about that.
Yep, people who post and then resurrect their own posts, no matter how many people show them they are wrong. One issue people.
Thanks for dropping by! I thought since you already bumped your own heretical post to the top, I would just put in my two cents disgust for the topic, and the way you keep bumping this stupid topic to the top!
DanD, there is nothing much I detest so much as a one-issue person. I won't say Christian, because I have my doubts about that.
Yep, people who post and then resurrect their own posts, no matter how many people show them they are wrong. One issue people.
Thanks for dropping by! I thought since you already bumped your own heretical post to the top, I would just put in my two cents disgust for the topic, and the way you keep bumping this stupid topic to the top!
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Re: Polygamy -- continuation of older thread.
Unfortunately, it is not legal, and it is not considered adultery in Scripture. David committed adultery when he slept with Bathsheba, not when he married Abigail and Ahinoam.
The churches may be considered brides of Christ (I Cor 11:2), or it may be Paul was referring to the members of the church as brides of Christ. The Corinthian church was one of many, and Paul was definitely NOT referring to the entire church when he wrote that to the Corinthian church. Paul also said that husbands are to love their wives, which allows room for interpretation of a husband having one or more wives, unlike how you misquoted the passage in Ephesians 5.
I brought up the parable of the ten virgins in an earlier post, so I shall elaborate. It is clear that you have not read my earlier posts refuting your claims, but I shall proceed:
The parable of the ten virgins was NOT referring to bridesmaids. It would not make theological sense to argue that. A bridesmaid does not remain with the groom, but returns home, whereas the believer will remain with Christ forever. The audience understood the concept of polygamy, which was still practiced at the time of Christ, but had no concept of bridesmaids, which did not come about until centuries later. The only attendants to the bride at a wedding, were women who would never be referred to as virgins. The only reason people assume Jesus was talking about bridesmaids, is because they cannot fathom Jesus portraying himself as a polygamist. Yet God, the Father, portrays himself as one who had two wives. Even if you could successfully argue that Jesus is monogamous, that only proves that polygamy is not REQUIRED of the believer. There are plenty of other passages that prove that point, so it is not necessary to use Christ to prove this.
Unfortunately, it is not legal, and it is not considered adultery in Scripture. David committed adultery when he slept with Bathsheba, not when he married Abigail and Ahinoam.
The churches may be considered brides of Christ (I Cor 11:2), or it may be Paul was referring to the members of the church as brides of Christ. The Corinthian church was one of many, and Paul was definitely NOT referring to the entire church when he wrote that to the Corinthian church. Paul also said that husbands are to love their wives, which allows room for interpretation of a husband having one or more wives, unlike how you misquoted the passage in Ephesians 5.
I brought up the parable of the ten virgins in an earlier post, so I shall elaborate. It is clear that you have not read my earlier posts refuting your claims, but I shall proceed:
The parable of the ten virgins was NOT referring to bridesmaids. It would not make theological sense to argue that. A bridesmaid does not remain with the groom, but returns home, whereas the believer will remain with Christ forever. The audience understood the concept of polygamy, which was still practiced at the time of Christ, but had no concept of bridesmaids, which did not come about until centuries later. The only attendants to the bride at a wedding, were women who would never be referred to as virgins. The only reason people assume Jesus was talking about bridesmaids, is because they cannot fathom Jesus portraying himself as a polygamist. Yet God, the Father, portrays himself as one who had two wives. Even if you could successfully argue that Jesus is monogamous, that only proves that polygamy is not REQUIRED of the believer. There are plenty of other passages that prove that point, so it is not necessary to use Christ to prove this.
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Re: Polygamy -- continuation of older thread.
You still have as beam in your eye and are trying to remove what you think is a speck in your brother's eye, and I have not questioned your Christianity, even though you cherry picked which teachings of Paul you like. Not to mention that you recommended that I join a cult or Islam, which is not fruit I would expect to see from a follower of Christ.
I have shown multiple people that they are wrong, but other people keep popping up, repeating the same arguments I have already debunked.
I have not made any heretical posts. Every post I have made is backed up by the clear teachings of Scripture. Once again, you demonstrate the actions of the sinful nature spelled out in Galatians 5, by referring to this topic as stupid, when I have clearly pointed out that it comes directly from the Word of God. It is not me that you are calling stupid, but God himself, and He is your judge!
You still have as beam in your eye and are trying to remove what you think is a speck in your brother's eye, and I have not questioned your Christianity, even though you cherry picked which teachings of Paul you like. Not to mention that you recommended that I join a cult or Islam, which is not fruit I would expect to see from a follower of Christ.
I have shown multiple people that they are wrong, but other people keep popping up, repeating the same arguments I have already debunked.
I have not made any heretical posts. Every post I have made is backed up by the clear teachings of Scripture. Once again, you demonstrate the actions of the sinful nature spelled out in Galatians 5, by referring to this topic as stupid, when I have clearly pointed out that it comes directly from the Word of God. It is not me that you are calling stupid, but God himself, and He is your judge!
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Re: Polygamy -- continuation of older thread.
I never said that marrying more than one person indicates that you are following the teachings of Jesus. Remaining faithful to all your wives, until death separates you, indicates that you are following the teachings of Christ. This is true regardless of how many wives you take.
I never said that marrying more than one person indicates that you are following the teachings of Jesus. Remaining faithful to all your wives, until death separates you, indicates that you are following the teachings of Christ. This is true regardless of how many wives you take.
Re: Polygamy -- continuation of older thread.
1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach.
1Ti 3:12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
Tit.1:6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
Eph 5:31 Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.
If a man and a woman marries they become one flesh,so if he marries another woman,how can they become one flesh,when he is already one flesh with another woman,for a woman,and a woman,and a man,cannot become one flesh,and if a man marries a woman,and has sex with her,and then marries another woman,and has sex with her,then he committed adultery against his first wife.
Even in the Old Testament when Solomon had many wives,God was not pleased with him,for it appears as if Solomon was having them as property,and Solomon did say that he applied himself to doing wrong that he fell victim to doing wrong,but repented and said all that is vanity,and only serving God is the true benefit.
If a man is in to having more than one wife does it fall under the category of love,or does he want to collect woman like they are a baseball collection,and have many kinds of wives to satisfy his flesh.
The husband of one wife is for a reason,for they are dedicated to each other,and no one else,to care and love each other,like we are the body of Christ,and we only worship God,and dedicated to Him,and no one else.
We are to be committed to one wive,and not collect women,like a car collection,and why would people want more than one wive,when all they do is nag,and complain,and you want more than one doing that in your life,but I joke about that,and say that is what the world says.
1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach.
1Ti 3:12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
Tit.1:6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
Eph 5:31 Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.
If a man and a woman marries they become one flesh,so if he marries another woman,how can they become one flesh,when he is already one flesh with another woman,for a woman,and a woman,and a man,cannot become one flesh,and if a man marries a woman,and has sex with her,and then marries another woman,and has sex with her,then he committed adultery against his first wife.
Even in the Old Testament when Solomon had many wives,God was not pleased with him,for it appears as if Solomon was having them as property,and Solomon did say that he applied himself to doing wrong that he fell victim to doing wrong,but repented and said all that is vanity,and only serving God is the true benefit.
If a man is in to having more than one wife does it fall under the category of love,or does he want to collect woman like they are a baseball collection,and have many kinds of wives to satisfy his flesh.
The husband of one wife is for a reason,for they are dedicated to each other,and no one else,to care and love each other,like we are the body of Christ,and we only worship God,and dedicated to Him,and no one else.
We are to be committed to one wive,and not collect women,like a car collection,and why would people want more than one wive,when all they do is nag,and complain,and you want more than one doing that in your life,but I joke about that,and say that is what the world says.
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Re: Polygamy -- continuation of older thread.
See my earlier response.
How can two people become one flesh in the first place? Paul describes this as a great mystery. Adultery only occurs if the man commits serial monogamy, divorcing his first wife before marrying the second one.
This is a logical fallacy known as Appealing to Extremes.
If he divorces his previous wives to marry the next, then he is doing so to satisfy his flesh, whereas, if he does the responsible thing, and keeps his commitment to all his wives, he is doing so, sacrificially, out of love, knowing full well, that the laws of the land permit him to divorce his other wives, and force them to fight for child support and alimony in the crooked and corrupt justice system that we currently have. I have known one such lady who was the victim of such a selfish greedy man. She would have been much better off married to a polygamist!
You are assuming Paul's motive. Paul himself never indicates why he set forward that qualification. There are multiple motivations one could assume from this passage, and many of them lead to bad doctrine.
That is your personal preference, and as a believer in Christ, we should not impose our own personal preferences on other believers. A godly wife does not nag and complain. Read Proverbs 31; no mention of nagging or complaining. There are other passages in Proverbs that describe the nagging and complaining wife, in not too favorable terms. I don't want any wives that nag or complain; no thank you; however, I will not divorce any wife that I have that does so, because that goes against what Scripture clearly teaches.
See my earlier response.
How can two people become one flesh in the first place? Paul describes this as a great mystery. Adultery only occurs if the man commits serial monogamy, divorcing his first wife before marrying the second one.
This is a logical fallacy known as Appealing to Extremes.
If he divorces his previous wives to marry the next, then he is doing so to satisfy his flesh, whereas, if he does the responsible thing, and keeps his commitment to all his wives, he is doing so, sacrificially, out of love, knowing full well, that the laws of the land permit him to divorce his other wives, and force them to fight for child support and alimony in the crooked and corrupt justice system that we currently have. I have known one such lady who was the victim of such a selfish greedy man. She would have been much better off married to a polygamist!
You are assuming Paul's motive. Paul himself never indicates why he set forward that qualification. There are multiple motivations one could assume from this passage, and many of them lead to bad doctrine.
That is your personal preference, and as a believer in Christ, we should not impose our own personal preferences on other believers. A godly wife does not nag and complain. Read Proverbs 31; no mention of nagging or complaining. There are other passages in Proverbs that describe the nagging and complaining wife, in not too favorable terms. I don't want any wives that nag or complain; no thank you; however, I will not divorce any wife that I have that does so, because that goes against what Scripture clearly teaches.
Re: Polygamy -- continuation of older thread.
Well I am not asking about what you do with your wives AFTER you marry them. Though it does make me wonder if one can really claim they are being faithful to their wife by marrying another. Nevertheless, let's just ignore that for now and operate under the assumption that you are going to marry multiple wives, your aren't going to divorce them, and so forth.
What I am asking is simple. What example are you setting by marrying multiple spouses to begin with?
Well I am not asking about what you do with your wives AFTER you marry them. Though it does make me wonder if one can really claim they are being faithful to their wife by marrying another. Nevertheless, let's just ignore that for now and operate under the assumption that you are going to marry multiple wives, your aren't going to divorce them, and so forth.
What I am asking is simple. What example are you setting by marrying multiple spouses to begin with?
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Re: Polygamy -- continuation of older thread.
A man is faithful when he keeps his promise, "till death do us part."
That question, I have already answered, but you did not like the answer. Assuming, as you have done here, that he will not divorce any of his wives, such a man sets a great example as one who follows the teachings of Christ. That example is contingent upon him remaining with all of his wives until death separates them.
A man is faithful when he keeps his promise, "till death do us part."
That question, I have already answered, but you did not like the answer. Assuming, as you have done here, that he will not divorce any of his wives, such a man sets a great example as one who follows the teachings of Christ. That example is contingent upon him remaining with all of his wives until death separates them.