Sabbath

[BeyondET]

I hear you ....as He did all those things on the Sabbath day. In truth Jesus was resting from His own works in His flesh because He said that it was the Father in Him doing His works. This is what the whole Sabbath rest day is a symbol of.


The irony of this whole thing is that those Judaizers that say we are sinning if we don't keep the law of Moses in relation to the observation of the Sabbath are in fact guilty of this scripture below. All the Law is a shadow of the real thing which is Christ Himself fulfilling all.

Hebrews 4:3-6 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, "AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH, THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST," although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.

[SUP]4 [/SUP] For He has said somewhere concerning the seventh day: "AND GOD RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORKS";

[SUP]5 [/SUP] and again in this passage, "THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST."

[SUP]6 [/SUP] Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience,

Yes I agree and it seems some are still trying to find ways to discredit that.

 

[Grace777x70]

Yes I agree and it seems some are still trying to find ways to discredit that.

Sparkman was right - there are Judaizers amongst us but we will not give place to them for one hour just like Paul said in Gal. 2:5 concerning those that try to get Christians to live by the law now that they have died to the law, been released from the law and are not under the law anymore. The law is not of fait.

 

[prove-all]

This is what the whole Sabbath rest day is a symbol of.

Looking back in time, to remember Gods creation He made.
And Looking forward in time , to the 7th 10000 years of man.

The promised [Rest] when [we] and [the Whole creation] will be delivered from
bondage, when Satan is [forced to rest], from his decieving the nations

 

[JohnTalmid]

Our Sabbath rest is not a day under the new covenant, it is a person. Jesus is our sabbath rest. This may offend some, but any day you pick to go to church is just fine. If you get so focused on a day, you are missing the point of the new covenant.

Now let me caveat this and say, it is very important to gather with believers on a regular basis. But it could be a Tuesday and you would be just fine. Here in America through tradition, Sundays have been the typical day believers come together to worship God in a corporate setting. But the true Sabbath rest is putting your trust and life in the finished work of Christ and establishing a personal relationship with Christ and getting to know God as your Father.

You enter his rest by accepting Jesus as Lord. Everyday is a sabbath rest under the new covenant You can get so caught up in keeping rules and Laws to please God instead of cultivating a relationship with Jesus that you end up falling from Grace as explained in Galatians (which does not mean you are lost) and back into the works of the law and end up trying to serve God via works which brings guilt and condemnation.

if you cannot find a worship center to go to on your days off, look for a home group, or an online service. But try to find a group of believers to meet with on a regular basis to study and disciple one another

Again, do not let a specific day condemn you.

Don't you know that the Lords day referred to by John is the Sabbath?

 

[prove-all]

Don't you know that the Lords day referred to by John is the Sabbath?

Yes Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath- and no way is this sunday today.
John is the only one who mentions the phrase [the Lords day]

He saw or was in a vision, no day of the week was mentioned [was in the spirit]
but in or about [a future event] called many other places as [the day of the Lord]

Shadows of things [to come]

 

[JohnTalmid]

The day of the Lord is different from the Lords day from what I can tell. Yes Yeshua is Lord of the Sabbath however that doesn't mean Sabbath was changed to the first day of the week. The great and terrible day of the Lord vs. The Lords day Sabbath. Anyway your not going to loose salvation by keeping Sabbath what actually happens is a perfection of Faith.

 

[VCO]

Sorry in advance for the rambling.

The subject matter as it reads ...

2Co 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

I would offer it’s what I believe the word of God informs us, hopefully not what I or anyone reads into it. It’s how we express our private interpretations as opinions when we do study His interpretation, the Bible, the letter of His law, as that which we see with our eyes. That law kills showing all men are guilty and have an eternal debt they could never pay by something they could perform. This is unlike the law of faith, as a work of God it heals and creates anew. By it He gives us our spiritual understanding, comparing spiritual things of God not seen, with spiritual things not seen, or called from faith to faith. It is how I believe we can hear Him who has no form.

I agree with that verse which seems you are reading something in to it, as if God was a man as us and does have flesh and blood made after the rudiments of this world.A difference between the things of God not seen, and man seen, as the things of men must be made.It is there that the father of lies tries to get his foothold in the door in order to sell his false gospel .Not distinguishing between the two offends God according to what He reveals, as it is written

Flesh is flesh as that seen the temporal, and Spirit is Spirit the eternal , as the unseen life essence of the flesh.
In that way the life of the flesh is in the blood but the essence of that spirit life is not literal blood without the spirit essence of life.

It’s one of the reasons the Jehovah Witnesses error in and has cost many lives when they refuse blood transfusions. The same with the Catholics who must walk by sight hoping the flesh could profit for something (everything in their case)..

Jam 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

We do not know Christ after the temporal flesh that he put on for a one time demonstration of his unseen work pouring out His Spirit on flesh.

God has no form in respect to flesh. He came and of His own volition put on corrupted flesh that aged in a process leading to death and the destruction of the flesh, just as he promised.



The worldly point of view is that men could see the son of man. natural man with out the Spirit of Christ had no spiritual insight that comes from hearing His voice.

The Son of man used those who walk after the flesh as a demonstration of how not to be faithless by looking to the outward appearance but believe according to the same spirit of faith according as it is written. The Son of man resisted all attempts of making himself equal with God who has no form, even though they were one Spirit.( The father and I are one)

Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and “be not faithless”, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God. Joh 20:27

By faith (the unseen ) Thomas believed.





Again we walk by faith the unseen eternal, not after the three avenues of this corrupted world ...through the lust of the eye, the lust of the flesh as the pride foundation of this short life.They have already received their reward as bragging rights.


Yes we have the mind of Christ, the Holy Spirit of God. It’s why we are called new creatures. If not according to 2 John1:7 the old things would not be gone and men would still be looking for Him to come in the flesh.

God has no beginning of days or end of Spirit life. He came appeared in the flesh for a one time demonstration and disappeared just as he came, without sight. No such things as spiritual flesh as if God had a form.


2John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Is come, past tense. Some are still looking .



It’s my living hope that I do.

Seeing by faith(the unseen) and not by human sight a God who has no form.... therefore we understand he was not made after the rudiments of this world (flesh and blood, dust and water). Then in that way neither you nor I have seen Him. The ones that did, are dead.

He reveals his thoughts by the light his spiritual word; it illuminates our path as the eyes of our new heart. You could say a new soul as a means of having a living hope. He calls that living hope walking/understanding by faith (His) and not by sight.
Image is likeness as a representation of that not seen. It provides the glory of God or the face of God according to His grace, as a glory not seen, but is revealed to us through the Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit of God.. If any man has not the Spirit of Christ they do not belong to Him .

He as a representation was like God who remains without mother and father beginning of days or end of Spirit life. He is not created as if we could now Christ after the rudiments of this world through the philosophies as oral traditions of men..

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: Col 1:15

He created them for Himself. Not leaving us as orphans (fatherless) or widows not having a husband (Christ) He leaves us his precepts as interpretation laws so that we might find Him who is not very far from us, again as our way of hearing Him who remains without form.

While we look not at the “things which are seen”, but at the “things which are not seen”: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal. 2Corinthians 4:18

Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: Act 17:25

If we would destroy the foundation of faith (the unseen) , How could we hear God who remains without form?

Psalms 11:3 If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?

Makes me wonder(a faith principle) that when He does come on the last day will he find faith or a worn out religious book according to the will of natural man?

And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them? I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless “when the Son of man cometh”, shall he find faith on the earth? Luk 18:7

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You say a great many words, garee, BUT you seem to have a great deal of trouble making yourself understood.

I hope your prayers are far shorter than that post.


Ecclesiastes 5:2-3 (NCV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Think before you speak, and be careful about what you say to God. God is in heaven, and you are on the earth, so say only a few words to God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] The saying is true: Bad dreams come from too much worrying, and too many words come from foolish people.

What I was trying to get you to explain, is what you think that older English expression means when it says: "know we him no more"? My take on it is that it is an example of an older English expression, that has LOST it's understandability due to the English language evolving as time passes on. HENCE, I am very thankful for the Newer Translations when it comes to such an expression.


2 Corinthians 5:16 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] From now on, then, we do not know anyone in a purely human way. Even if we have known Christ in a purely human way, yet now we no longer know ⌊Him in this way⌋.


The flesh of Jesus was Purely human, however the Spirit in Jesus was Purely GOD, whereas our human spirit was created in us by HIM.

Jesus did not LEAVE HIS BODY behind when He ascended, however like our bodies will be after we are resurrected, that BODY was changed to a glorified body that no longer needs blood to have eternal life in it. As our High Priest, He would have carried His blood to Altar in Heaven and poured it out around the Base of that Altar, because the Earthly ALTAR was a mirror of what will take place at that Heavenly ALTAR.

The line that I changed to RED, is a major error in understanding.


Philippians 2:5-7 (NKJV)
Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God,
did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation,
taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.

John 14:9 (HCSB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Jesus said to him,“Have I been among you all this time without your knowing Me, Philip?
The one who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

2 Corinthians 5:19 (ASV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] to wit, that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, not reckoning unto them their trespasses, and having committed unto us the word of reconciliation.


You are not considering that GOD is an OMNIPRESENT SPIRIT; always has been, and always will be. He remained OMNIPRESENT even during the 33 Years that part of Himself was indwelling the mortal body of JESUS that was crucified for our sins. Except, maybe for that brief moment just before He died, when all the sins of the World were placed on HIS MORTAL BODY.

But even then, I doubt if GOD actually existed His Body because of HIS OMNIPRESENCE, but rather just CHOSE not to look at that much SIN being placed on JESUS. PLUS it was NECESSARY as a FULFILLMENT of a Messianic Prophecy.


Matthew 27:46 (NASB)
[SUP]46 [/SUP] About the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, "ELI, ELI, LAMA SABACHTHANI?" that is, "MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?"

Psalm 22:1 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] My God, my God, why have You forsaken me? ⌊Why are You⌋ so far from my deliverance and from my words of groaning?


Finally, you made the comment that there is no such thing as a spiritual body. Body is the NOUN, and Spiritual is but the Adjective. So Jesus certainly took HIS spiritual BODY with HIM to Heaven.


1 Corinthians 15:42-44 (HCSB)
[SUP]42 [/SUP] So it is with the resurrection of the dead: Sown in corruption, raised in incorruption;
[SUP]43 [/SUP] sown in dishonor, raised in glory; sown in weakness, raised in power;
[SUP]44 [/SUP] sown a natural body, raised a spiritual body.
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

OH, just so you know, I don't just think I KNOW HIM, I KNOW I KNOW HIM, and I KNOW that my inner personal LOVE relationship with HIM will be with ME through out ETERNITY.


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[VCO]

VCO,
re: "Romans 14:5 (ASV) 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let each man be fully assured in his own mind."
　
With regard to Romans 14:5, the subject of the chapter from start to finish has to do with what people eat. Paul is writing about asceticism. Some in the church at Rome believed Christians should eat only vegetables. Paul calls these people "weak in the faith" (verses 1-2). The stronger in faith knew they could also eat meat. Nothing in the supreme beings's law prescribes vegetarianism. The stronger in faith knew they were free from non-biblical asceticism. A part of the controversy that had sprung up between the weak and the strong Christians was the esteeming of days. In Rome some people had the pagan idea that on certain days certain foods should or should not be eaten. In this whole chapter Paul was just showing that others should not be offended, particularly weak members who have not yet learned the truth about the proper Christian diet and that they should not be judged by the stronger in the faith. This passage has nothing to do with the Sabbath.


The specific reason that Paul wrote the chapter is sumed up in verse 20: "Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food".

But the SAME KIND OF LEGALISM, forces people to THINK THEY HAVE TO KEEP TO SABBATH AND BE A VEGETARIAN TO BE RIGHT WITH GOD. I have a family member who is Seventh Day Adventists, so I have had numerous discussions outside this Website, and what I have observed is it is more for SHOW, than to please GOD.

 

[VCO]

Yes...and why must a person choose ? so we and God can see which side people are on ! of course HE already knows by looking into their heart but people can not always tell the difference because of their hidden agendas and pretense. But the Sabbath is definitely God's 'yardstick that clearly shows people's intent whether they are FOR God or for themselves ! It's similar to 'separating the sheep (obedient one's) from the goats (the disobedient). Nobody escapes God's judgement !
The reason Jesus did not command us to keep the sabbath because it had already been done for thousands of years to no avail....no reason to continue in the same mode. Jesus Himself came as our LIVING example and even that is not bending the knees of the disobedient....guess He will have to break their legs to stop them walking into total destruction...He'd be doing them a favour. God is always concerned for people's spiritual salvation...not willing that any should perish but come to repentance !

 

[VCO]

Yes...and why must a person choose ? so we and God can see which side people are on ! of course HE already knows by looking into their heart but people can not always tell the difference because of their hidden agendas and pretense. But the Sabbath is definitely God's 'yardstick that clearly shows people's intent whether they are FOR God or for themselves ! It's similar to 'separating the sheep (obedient one's) from the goats (the disobedient). Nobody escapes God's judgement !
The reason Jesus did not command us to keep the sabbath because it had already been done for thousands of years to no avail....no reason to continue in the same mode. Jesus Himself came as our LIVING example and even that is not bending the knees of the disobedient....guess He will have to break their legs to stop them walking into total destruction...He'd be doing them a favour. God is always concerned for people's spiritual salvation...not willing that any should perish but come to repentance !

If you think you are KEEPING THE SABBATH, then MAKE SURE YOU KEEP ALL OF IT, not just the part you want to KEEP.


Exodus 35:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] "You shall not kindle a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath day."


OH, and remember you kindle a fire every time you start your car.

Oh, and I hope you do not live up North, last winter we had two straight week when the Temperature NEVER got above 12 degrees F. Several of those nights we had a wind chill factor of down to -45 F. (NOTICE: it does not get that COLD in ISRAEL. The Historical Average for Jerusalem for January is a High 13 and Low of 6 degrees Celcius; 13 Celcius is 55.4 Fahrenheit.) Just more proof that SABBATH KEEPING was for ISRAEL ONLY, REF: Ex. 31'

OH, and remember the Friday that most Churches call GOOD FRIDAY, is also the seventh day of Passover, so it is called PASSOVER SABBATH, in Israel and the same rules apply.


James 2:10 (NIV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

 

[beta]

But the SAME KIND OF LEGALISM, forces people to THINK THEY HAVE TO KEEP TO SABBATH AND BE A VEGETARIAN TO BE RIGHT WITH GOD. I have a family member who is Seventh Day Adventists, so I have had numerous discussions outside this Website, and what I have observed is it is more for SHOW, than to please GOD.

Why do people assume that a sabbath-keeper is SDA and judge you on their performance or
judge you to be a judaizer if you walk with Jesus 24/7 ?
it shows a distinct lack of understanding and they will have to give account to God for their false accusations !

 

[beta]

Sparkman was right - there are Judaizers amongst us but we will not give place to them for one hour just like Paul said in Gal. 2:5 concerning those that try to get Christians to live by the law now that they have died to the law, been released from the law and are not under the law anymore. The law is not of fait.

Is a person a 'judaizer if they follow Jesus ? seems to me that is what you are saying.

 

[Rockrz]

I have a family member who is Seventh Day Adventists

I'm tellin Ellen!

You should say that to 'em next time they go on a rant...

 

[rstrats]

sparkman,
re: "Rules and laws for who?"

You'll have to ask trucker62 since he's the one that brought up the phrase.
　
　

re: "By the way, why are you concerned with this issue?"

I have a lot of time on my hands and not much of a life. Because I was raised going to a Baptist Church and went to a strict Bible centered school (one girl was expelled for having a hole in the knee of her bathing suit) I am familiar with a number of Biblical doctrinal issues. So when I see "discussions" regarding some of these issues, I seem to find it interesting to while away a few hours addressing them.
　



re: "Do you observe the Sabbath and festivals yourself?"

I do not.
　



re: "...why are you preaching continual applicability of something you don't observe?"

I don't see where I've been "preaching continual applicability" of anything in this topic. What do you have in mind?

 

[sparkman]

I don't think God considered it nonsense when He spoke the 10 Commandments to the assembly and added no more - thus separating them from the commandments contained in ordinances which Jesus abolished Deut 5v22 and Eph 2v15. And this separation came about on peoples own say-so when they refused to hear God anymore Deut 5v25, Ex 20v18,19,
So GOD HIMSELF separated the 10 which Jesus still teaches on in the NT - to love God and neighbour !!!
They are also the 'law referred to in 1Joh 3v4 and is 'sin' to transgress. Christians have no other commandments but these.

Read II Corinthians 3..what are the "words on tables of stone", or the "words that are carved in letters on stone"? What does it say about this law in II Corinthians 3?

Also, regarding I John 3:4, the phrase "transgression of the law" relates to the Greek word "anomia" which is more properly translated "lawlessness". I would translate it "rebellion"...so the verse is relating the behavior of sin with the underlying reason..the rebellion that unconverted mankind is in, due to their fallen nature. It is relating motivation to behavior.

However, I wouldn't have an issue with "transgression of the law" referring to God's moral law.

SDAs aren't even consistent with their own position in their arguments about the Ten Commandments. They suggest that sin is defined exclusively by the Ten Commandments, but claim any consumption of alcohol is sin..why do they make this claim if drinking alcohol isn't mentioned in the Ten Commandments in any way? And, why do they claim eating unclean meats is a sin when it is part of the Book of the Covenant? Like I said, they are not even consistent with their own assertions.

 

[beta]

Read II Corinthians 3..what are the "words on tables of stone", or the "words that are carved in letters on stone"? What does it say about this law in II Corinthians 3?

Also, regarding I John 3:4, the phrase "transgression of the law" relates to the Greek word "anomia" which is more properly translated "lawlessness". I would translate it "rebellion"...so the verse is relating the behavior of sin with the underlying reason..the rebellion that unconverted mankind is in, due to their fallen nature. It is relating motivation to behavior.

However, I wouldn't have an issue with "transgression of the law" referring to God's moral law.

SDAs aren't even consistent with their own position in their arguments about the Ten Commandments. They suggest that sin is defined exclusively by the Ten Commandments, but claim any consumption of alcohol is sin..why do they make this claim if drinking alcohol isn't mentioned in the Ten Commandments in any way? And, why do they claim eating unclean meats is a sin when it is part of the Book of the Covenant? Like I said, they are not even consistent with their own assertions.

I wouldn't know what SDA do or don't do seeing I have no contact with them.
I keep the Sabbath because JESUS kept it - that's all I need to know, not what people tell me. JESUS is my example and for that it seems I am denounced by those who don't. What's new !?!
I was not referring to the time God wrote the commandments on stone but when He ACTUALLY SPOKE to the assembly Ex 20, and Deut 5 refers to. There was no 'to-ing and fro-ing with tablets of stone by Moses -- GOD personally interacted with people - but they would not hear...and so today there are those who will only hear Moses and are fixated on the tablets of stone rather than hear God in person.
So I'm not sure we are talking the same thing here.

 

[john832]

Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel that is not applicable to Christians under the New Covenant. Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

Even when Christians set out to worship on the Sabbath, they aren’t truly "keeping the Sabbath." To "keep the Sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament would involve compliance with stringent regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced. If Sabbath-day observances are still required, so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). These were commanded by God to the sons of Israel. If the seventh-day Sabbath is still in affect, then why do not the Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person say he keeps a certain law when he keeps only part of it?

If the Sabbath-day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people. Who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? The Christian Church? The Seventh-day Adventist church? Or the State? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did, no Sabbatarian can live consistently under the Mosaic regulations.

Hmmm, lemmesee here, so you think there is no death penalty for violating one of the Ten Commandments?

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Sin is the violation of the Law, including the fourth one.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Sin brings death. Not just the first death all men are appointed to but eternal death.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

And of course Jesus Christ said...

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

And then He goes on to show that He is speaking of the Ten Commandments...

Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Mat 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

He also says this...

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

So we need to be very careful about dismissing His Laws.

 

[john832]

I wouldn't know what SDA do or don't do seeing I have no contact with them.
I keep the Sabbath because JESUS kept it - that's all I need to know, not what people tell me. JESUS is my example and for that it seems I am denounced by those who don't. What's new !?!
I was not referring to the time God wrote the commandments on stone but when He ACTUALLY SPOKE to the assembly Ex 20, and Deut 5 refers to. There was no 'to-ing and fro-ing with tablets of stone by Moses -- GOD personally interacted with people - but they would not hear...and so today there are those who will only hear Moses and are fixated on the tablets of stone rather than hear God in person.
So I'm not sure we are talking the same thing here.

I'm pretty sure you are dueling with an unarmed man here.

 

[john832]

Think about this...God had to "make" a new covenant with us because we couldnt follow the "old".

Uh, yeah, the problem was not the Law, it was the people. So, to make things right God just did away with the Law? In that case, why did Christ die for us? If the Law is done away, there is no sin...

Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

And if there is no sin, why do we need someone to do this for us?

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Rom 5:11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

Perhaps you should find a church that teaches the truth and go there.

 

[john832]

(Rom 14:6)

He who observes the day, observes [it] to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe [it.] He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks.

I've went through Romans 14 on numerous occasions. Rom 14 is speaking of vegetarianism and fasting. Before you pull a verse out of context read the chapter and then read this...

Luk 18:9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
Luk 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

The Pharisees fasted twice a week, Monday and Thursday, EVERY week. This is what Paul, a former Pharisee, was referencing here when he speaks of regarding the day.