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YES!!!!
And if you deny Jesus. You are an "antiChrist"
And john said you were never saved, End of story..
Those Who Deny Sin in a Believer
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YES!!!!
And if you deny Jesus. You are an "antiChrist"
And john said you were never saved, End of story..
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1 John 2: 18...The antichrist is coming, Even now MANY ANTICHRISTS HAVE COME, by this we know it is the last hour. THEY (antichrists) Went out from us, for (the reason) they were not of us, if the had been of us, they would have continued with us, But they went out, that it might be made manifest (it would be revealed what they truly were) that NONE OF THEM were of us.
An Antichrist was never saved, John said they left to reveal the truth. NONE OF THEM were EVER OF US (saved)
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Does that mean he was ever saved?
I grew up baptist.I know m,any who left along time ago and now never follow God or even admit they ever knew him,
is that because they were4 saved and lost faith? Or never had it to begin with? "A dog returns to his vomit" type of thing...
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I have been to numerous baptist churches all over the United States (retired military). And I have never heard that thought in any of them.
Where do you get your info?
Isn't it wonderful that it is so easy to get saved?
Amen...identified in scripture as the simplicity found in Christ and a child like faith.
SIMPLE-->IT pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
Simple-->He that believes on the SON is having everlasting life.
Simple--->The work of the heavenly Father is to BELEVE on HIM whom HE has sent!
ABSOLUTELY, and NO ONE can call JESUS LORD, CHRIST and SAVIOR without it being revealed form the Heavenly Father dia salvation (PETER and the reference of Jesus)
I am confident just as Paul felt in the Philippines that they would be faithful unto the end. Confident is different than I am certain.
So to answer your question i am confident but I would be foolish to have so much pride to tell God no matter what happens to me I will never deny you or forsake you.
We saw Peter want to say the right things and we saw the other disciples want to say the right things at the last supper. But they spoke confidently only to realize when tested their faith was weak and their hearts where seeking the world as they fled on the eve of Jesus's arrest and trial. Instead of being set on things above one min saying Christ we will follow you anywhere and the very next fleeing for their life. This is how easily if caught off gaurd satin can distract and decieve.
If the disciples had dealt with this being in the very presence of Jesus, I know how much easier it can happen to us.
But we have hope. For we see what the diciples did by returning in faith and living in the Spirit. Thats the answer to any who fall victom to weakness in faith is not to run and worry about worldly flesh but to put our hope in Christ all the more.
Easier said than done when your under trials, tribulations, temptations, lies, and weakness of our fallen human nature.
Jesus asked Peter 3 times do you love me and Peter wept only showing contrast to Peters 3 times denying Jesus. Jesus basically telling Peter look this wont be easy you Peter you will die because of me , take care of my people, lead the church, and have faith in me and what is to come.
I believe this very conversation reminded Peter the rest of his life the feelings he felt that night in denying Christ and Christs forgivness to not only forgive Peter but also trust Peter to carry out his will.
All i can say is im confident just as Paul told the Philippines in 1:8 i believe. Im not certain because I feel it prideful to say things when I do not know what I will face tomorrow. If my government started crucifing Christians of course i can say I will follow all I want but when faced with devastating tribulations and trials, only the heart will show how much true faith we have.
As small as a mustard seed. And do you honesty believe faith never grows weak if not exercised in the renewing of our mind? If faith never grew weak that makes Jesus a liar.
I am speaking of the early Calvinist churches and only implying the false teaching has its remnants from this kind of teaching. Why else would it ignore all the scriptures speaking to believers about remain in faith and be weary not to fall.
Your right to say God reveals himself to all. But thats it! Its our human free will to respond to the call and surrender ALL to God.
God chose all to be saved not a elect few that God reveals himself to and then that person is forced to respond. Basically this is what your saying that to all who hasn't responded has not been called yet.
But Romans 1 God has made himself evident to all since the beginning and therefore without excuse. John 3:16 so that everyone who believes. Saying believes is redundant if we are forced.
The whole tulip concept sounds great in the perseverance of the saints until you actually see what its saying.
You need to re-read pal...I am saying the exact same thing JESUS said concerning PETER....take it up with him cake taker!
dc - cake taker?
The law is our gatekeeper, and I think it will find you failing.
How will you be able to explain away your compromises and abuse of believers and
not facing the obvious realities Jesus spoke about.
You obviously are not like others, as you just use a dismissive approach.
Not exactly convincing rather it indicates you know you do not have an argument.
Either you fulfil the law through obedience empowered by love from the cross or
curtains. From the looks of it, you prefer curtains, as declaring openly who is of
satan and who is not is pretty decisive. It has never ended well for those who take
this road. Even the Lord turns on those who do not take His counsel yet moved in
His power.
When the prophet who had brought him back from his journey heard of it, he said, “It is the man of God who defied the word of the Lord. The Lord has given him over to the lion, which has mauled him and killed him, as the word of the Lord had warned him.”
1 Kings 13:26
huh? why have you developed a new doctrine?
the law is not our gatekeeper - the Spirit is.
We should read scripture as a warning, one deadly and serious.
Now you think from this banter, and people getting heated it is just mild fun.
But the subject is important and the accusation very serious.
Korahs rebellion, Ananias and Sapphira should counsel us all to know our hearts
often rise questioning things, but the will of the Lord is paramount, and when His
word goes forth, our knees have to bow. None of us own this truth, we are all
servants of the King, so we should wonder in fear and trembling, because great is
the things He has performed to bring us to this place.
So let us learn how to bless on another and think the best of those who encourage
us to love Christ and follow in His ways, Amen, and God bless.
Now you think from this banter, and people getting heated it is just mild fun.
But the subject is important and the accusation very serious.
Korahs rebellion, Ananias and Sapphira should counsel us all to know our hearts
often rise questioning things, but the will of the Lord is paramount, and when His
word goes forth, our knees have to bow. None of us own this truth, we are all
servants of the King, so we should wonder in fear and trembling, because great is
the things He has performed to bring us to this place.
So let us learn how to bless on another and think the best of those who encourage
us to love Christ and follow in His ways, Amen, and God bless.
I realised a way of expressing the role of the law in our lives.
And also the problem so many have with abberant emotions and motivations.
Paul expressed his journey from seeing the law as a key to the Kingdom but it failed
him by showing his failure, yet in the Spirit and walking in Christs love, the law showed
him he had arrived because it no longer was condemnation to his soul because he fulfilled
the law.
It is also why our version or depth of understanding of the ways of God so often fail,
because we know the truth of Christ, yet seem to miss applying it to our hearts.
I have seen this first hand in many who would regard themselves as believers, yet
have not actually entered in, but are works salvationists in the the real sense.
My aunt is one, who I had a long conversation with, and her antipathy to my position
of repentance of sin, and conversion was real animosity.
Equally ex-legalists who strove to obey a set of rules or conform to behaviour yet their
hearts always rebelled equally find the law a hard task master. But if you let Christs
love in, and understand He accepts you, warts and all, and will lead you through, then
the first step has begun. But many have no clue what I mean by this.
But I also know those who have heard Jesus know these words and echo my call as it
is not mine, but what the Lord has done in me.
Zone - you know more than the guys you appear to be agreeing with.
When Jesus meets you in your quiet place, in your heart, there is real joy and resolution.
I know many are so scared of this place because of the passions they fear that they have
locked up most of their lives, and following Jesus is some kind of compromise to these
forces. When the inside of who you are is the same as what you show on the outside
resolution has truly begun.
God bless you,
Sticks and stones.....
I am agreeing with what Peter said because that is also what Romans 1 is saying also Peter acted in Faith admiting what God laid into his heart. And then not very long after Peter is also being told get behind me satin because satin also has a voice in our heads too.
This is faith of our own will to accept the truth God lays in us
I find it remarkable that you are preaching these into heaven based on the tense of believed when the context denies your false gospel, along with Chafers, and that Christ claims that these same "are not of God" John 8:47. Christ's words there settle it - they are not converted.
Yours, sir, is a false gospel.
I am wondering, how many are there of whom you attempt to convince as on their way to heaven, while you dismiss their behavior that denies this being true?
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