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M
Sorry but...I would have to categorize that as "false doctrine". The NT does not contradict the OT. God puts His children through innumerable trials and tribulations in this world. That is the whole objective of our life on this earth -- to trust God through all the chastisements, the "scourgings", the trials, the tribulations. There must be a thousand passages in the NT alone, which speak of God preparing the testings and trials for His children.
Okie dokie...you can believe what you want. I believe what you said is "false doctrine" and it can be seen by the life of Christ who showed us the Father. Jesus is the exact representation of the nature and will of the Father. Heb. 1:1-3
I do realize that our religious church teachings have said something different then the revelation of Christ shows but hey - all of us get the knife to the throats of our sacred cows and it upsets us but it's a good thing...
I know it was for the good that my sacred cows had their throats cut with the sword of the truth of Christ.
I do realize that our religious church teachings have said something different then the revelation of Christ shows but hey - all of us get the knife to the throats of our sacred cows and it upsets us but it's a good thing...
I know it was for the good that my sacred cows had their throats cut with the sword of the truth of Christ.
Hi Spokenpassage,
Thanks for posting the video. It was very good and more importantly, it was steeped in Biblical truth, not just steeped but marinated in the wisdom that can only come from God. I pray that many will get the chance to watch it, or study the passage for themselves and learn to live and walk on that narrow, hard road. But what joy for those who do for it is by grace through faith!
Jesus Himself tells us the 'way is hard', very few find let alone stay on it. Many try and say that this only refers to finding the gate (Jesus) and portray the Christian life as a tea party in a rose garden. But this contradicts what God Himself has revealed in His word to us (cf. Acts 14:22; 1 Thess 3:3-4,13; Mark 8:34; 15:18-21).
Christ has indeed set us free from bondage to sin, bondage that captivated our wills, our nature, that held us in spiritual death, where we walked the wide path, gratifying our own desires, navigating our own destiny leading to future destruction. It is this bondage that we are set free from to become 'bondservants of Christ', We can now actively obey our Lord through the regenerating and guiding work of the Holy Spirit. This is what Paul means when he says this:
Paul also reminds us not to misuse our new bought freedom:
We Fulfill the law by the Golden command (and this takes us back to the original Matthew passages that Paul washer is using)-- Love God with all our being and love one another as ourselves... this takes action on our part.
Many seem to want to turn Christianity into the wide gate with even wider path because they do not like our Lord... and that means what He is and what He actually says and commands. Many would agree that scripture teaches that Jesus is called 'Lord' yet deny the efficacy of this title... saviour is ok, but don't dare tell me what Lord will mean to my life!! Remember the message of the wolves (Matt 7:15), may sound attractive, it may sound orthodox, yet they may be the ones denying the way is hard and the way is narrow..?
Phil.
Thanks for posting the video. It was very good and more importantly, it was steeped in Biblical truth, not just steeped but marinated in the wisdom that can only come from God. I pray that many will get the chance to watch it, or study the passage for themselves and learn to live and walk on that narrow, hard road. But what joy for those who do for it is by grace through faith!
Jesus Himself tells us the 'way is hard', very few find let alone stay on it. Many try and say that this only refers to finding the gate (Jesus) and portray the Christian life as a tea party in a rose garden. But this contradicts what God Himself has revealed in His word to us (cf. Acts 14:22; 1 Thess 3:3-4,13; Mark 8:34; 15:18-21).
Christ has indeed set us free from bondage to sin, bondage that captivated our wills, our nature, that held us in spiritual death, where we walked the wide path, gratifying our own desires, navigating our own destiny leading to future destruction. It is this bondage that we are set free from to become 'bondservants of Christ', We can now actively obey our Lord through the regenerating and guiding work of the Holy Spirit. This is what Paul means when he says this:
Paul also reminds us not to misuse our new bought freedom:
We Fulfill the law by the Golden command (and this takes us back to the original Matthew passages that Paul washer is using)-- Love God with all our being and love one another as ourselves... this takes action on our part.
Many seem to want to turn Christianity into the wide gate with even wider path because they do not like our Lord... and that means what He is and what He actually says and commands. Many would agree that scripture teaches that Jesus is called 'Lord' yet deny the efficacy of this title... saviour is ok, but don't dare tell me what Lord will mean to my life!! Remember the message of the wolves (Matt 7:15), may sound attractive, it may sound orthodox, yet they may be the ones denying the way is hard and the way is narrow..?
Phil.
Thank your for this. I was washing dishes, and I tried to listen, but I wasn't even close to being half way through, plus dishes have a way of making you lose your focus! Thanks again!
PS. I do think in light of some of the "lite" gospel that has been going on for so many years in North America, Paul Washer has a very necessary message. For me, though, the tone, and the anger might be toned down a bit? David Platt, the head of the Southern Baptist IMB (International Missionary board) has written a book about this with the same message. But it is a lot more peaceful. (Radical: Taking Back Your Faith From the American Dream)
Still, I have no doubt that Paul Washer is a messenger of God, whether I agree with his delivery style or not!
No, of course not! I meant that certain individuals, known for their strong Word Faith beliefs, immediately jumped on this thread. Which I expected before I opened it up.
I'm not sure how you got that every single other person who posted was included in my statement. I meant "the people who are Word Faith" have come out! Sorry, if I mis-worded that, and apologies to anyone who thought I was mocking them. That was not my intention.
I guess I was just thinking aloud as to how predicable this forum has become! My bad!
S
ok
fair enough
I think it was the way you kind of just expressed your thoughts. that was how I read it
the predictability is no doubt a factor
but I will tell you, I have no problem with a strong message, but not the message brought by Washer and other lordship salvationists
I've looked into it quite a bit and it sounds a certain way, but the intolerance of MacArthur, not to mention the showmanship and the fact that Washer basically tries to have a person believing that salvation is a process, rather than a one time even with sanctification being the process, does no one any favors
of course all are free to follow whatever they believe or not but adding to salvation is never a good thing
S
I will add that Washer and those who teach similar, tell us that they or anyone, can look at someone and judge whether or not that individual is actually saved.
Is that so? or are we told to judge with righteous judgment
saying you know what is in a person's heart and can determine their status with God based on what they do, is not righteous judgement
it is actually the judgement we are told not to make
take a look at Jesus. I doubt He would have passed the Washer test
Is that so? or are we told to judge with righteous judgment
saying you know what is in a person's heart and can determine their status with God based on what they do, is not righteous judgement
it is actually the judgement we are told not to make
take a look at Jesus. I doubt He would have passed the Washer test
M
There is zero "upset". I'm just in wonderment at your willingness to fly in the face of 800 tons of Scripture. To say that God assigns no trials and tribulations to our lives...I mean, that is just wildly, wildly anti-biblical. Don't know what else to say.
It makes me wonder out loud if you've gone through some traumatizing, horrific 'church' experiences which has caused you to over-react and go to the other extreme end of the spectrum, instead of finding biblical balance. Don't know. But saying God doesn't assign corrective 'trials' to our lives...point-blank nonsense. Sorry.
It makes me wonder out loud if you've gone through some traumatizing, horrific 'church' experiences which has caused you to over-react and go to the other extreme end of the spectrum, instead of finding biblical balance. Don't know. But saying God doesn't assign corrective 'trials' to our lives...point-blank nonsense. Sorry.
I find it sad that as soon as there is mention that we are called to do works as the Bride of Christ, people jump all over it as works salvation. Grace is that we are forgiven when we trust that we have been cleansed of our unrighteousness because Christ bore our sins. It is to restore our relationship with the Almighty Creator. The relationship is a family business! We work for Him. Grace gets us hired, works gets us paid. It's really not that difficult to understand. At the judgement, we will all give an account. Some may be rewarded, some may just get by and others revealed as goats. He wants sheep, followers. Not stubborn goats, who do what they want.
Personally I'm constantly moving so I have to be selective about my reading. Listening to a great sermon while I make lunches, fold laundry and exercise is time well spent. If you don't have time to watch the video, don't inject your opinion.
Personally I'm constantly moving so I have to be selective about my reading. Listening to a great sermon while I make lunches, fold laundry and exercise is time well spent. If you don't have time to watch the video, don't inject your opinion.
S
that is a shallow interpretation of what has been said in this thread by those who do not agree with the Lordship Salvation issues
listen to whatever you want but you are doing exactly what we disagree with by saying those who disagree make you sad
that, is judgement in one of it's many subtle forms
the road less traveled is actually the one where Christ is at the center; not the one where people think you are a great Christian because you are so busy
so much Christianese being spoken
I want to say 'yuck' but then I am still human
