DANGER OF A FALSE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE
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This separation of the church and Israel was first invented (as far as I can tell so far) at the Albury prophesy conferences in the late 1820s. John Darby was the one who developed it more thoroughly in order to justify the pre-trib rapture. The most important tenant of Dispensationalism is not the dispensations but this separation of the church from Israel.
There is NOTHING in the Bible that supports this distinction. In fact the Bible contradicts it.
The pre-trib rapture idea came first then John Darby invented Dispensationalism (and the distinction between the church and Israel) in order to support it.
In this case, the egg came before the chicken who laid it.
L
See I put my faith in God and feel I don't need to be a prepper. Are you going to just sit around all by yourself when there are souls that will need to be witnessed to? You know I'm all for preparation but I am in no way a prepper. I would rather be spiritually prepared for the end times than storing up a bunch of items
M
Well but...that is the purpose of a "discussion" board -- people here are interested in going back and forth on these issues. My constant hope is that 2 or 3 or even 5 people will look in on these discussions/debates and be swayed away from this ultra-dangerous "PreTrib" false doctrine. After all, if Jesus taught a post-"great tribulation" rapture to the believers...who are these PreTribbers to contradict Jesus?
Imagine Ahwatackee pulling Peter or James aside a few months after the Olivet Discourse...and trying to tell them "no, you've believe wrongly...you have been taught false doctrine by Jesus". PreTrib couldn't BE any more absurd. It it the very essence of absurdity.
Imagine Ahwatackee pulling Peter or James aside a few months after the Olivet Discourse...and trying to tell them "no, you've believe wrongly...you have been taught false doctrine by Jesus". PreTrib couldn't BE any more absurd. It it the very essence of absurdity.
M
Hey, I have an idea-- you should stop working. Just sit in your backyard and wait for the food and the money to roll in. Now THAT would be really "spiritual".
In other words, Christians should live three-dimensional lives. You don't just sit out on your patio, praying for the grass in your backyard to become shorter. You grab a lawnmower.
In other words, Christians should live three-dimensional lives. You don't just sit out on your patio, praying for the grass in your backyard to become shorter. You grab a lawnmower.
Would you call Noah a prepper?
How about the Jews in Egypt who put the lamb's blood on their doorposts?
God never removes His people from the world's judgment, but He clues them in to what they must do to survive it.
It's just so sad that so many here choose to be clueless.
Not much I can do for those people. 'Cept wish'em good luck and pray for them!
(And you're right, spiritual preparation is just as important. But what's the proper spiritual prep? Taking a tight grip on your get out of jail free card?)
How about the Jews in Egypt who put the lamb's blood on their doorposts?
God never removes His people from the world's judgment, but He clues them in to what they must do to survive it.
It's just so sad that so many here choose to be clueless.
Not much I can do for those people. 'Cept wish'em good luck and pray for them!
(And you're right, spiritual preparation is just as important. But what's the proper spiritual prep? Taking a tight grip on your get out of jail free card?)
Good for you pal....watch your family starve, or get their heads cut off, or get killed in some horrific fashion by ISIS or.......fill in the blank....like Jesus said as God...I will laugh in the day of their derision.....and your wit and humor (along with those who agree) will not be so funny in the very near future!
Hi RickyZ,
The above is not true of the coming judgment. This coming judgment will be unprecedented and will come upon the entire earth. There will be no place to escape from the plagues that will be coming upon the earth, which is why the Lord will be removing his church prior to the on-set of his wrath.
There will be no way to escape when a fourth of the earths population via war, famine and plagues as a result of the first four seals.
There will be no way to escape a third of the earth and trees being burned up, causing many fatalities.
There will be no escape from those who live on the coast of that body of water when that asteroid/meteorite hits, which destroys all of the ships in that body of water and kills all of the creatures in the sea, equaling a third over all the earth.
There will be no escape from the results of the water being contaminated by that star like a torch called wormwood, which falls on a third of the rivers and springs of water, of which many die from drinking.
There will be no escape from the torment of those demonic beings that come up out of the Abyss who will torment the inhabitants for five months with tails and stings like that of scorpions.
There will be no escape from those four angels and their demonic army of 200 million who kill a third of what is left of mankind.
There will be no escaping the results of Satan and his angels being cast to the earth at the 7th trumpet/3rd woe.
There will be no escaping the 4th bowl judgment when the sun is given power to scorch the inhabitants with intense heat. Nor will there be any escaping any of the other bowl judgments.
God is going to remove his church before all of the above begins. Do you really believe that God is going to send his church through the plagues above? Does the wrath that Jesus suffered on our behalf satisfy God's wrath?
I continue to proclaim it: People do not understand the severity and magnitude of God's coming wrath. Nor do they truly understand what Jesus did for us if they believe that God is going to send his church, who have been reconciled and credited with righteousness, through his wrath.
No one is exempt from God's wrath during those days. Only the 144,000 are exempt from the 5th trumpet.
The above is not true of the coming judgment. This coming judgment will be unprecedented and will come upon the entire earth. There will be no place to escape from the plagues that will be coming upon the earth, which is why the Lord will be removing his church prior to the on-set of his wrath.
There will be no way to escape when a fourth of the earths population via war, famine and plagues as a result of the first four seals.
There will be no way to escape a third of the earth and trees being burned up, causing many fatalities.
There will be no escape from those who live on the coast of that body of water when that asteroid/meteorite hits, which destroys all of the ships in that body of water and kills all of the creatures in the sea, equaling a third over all the earth.
There will be no escape from the results of the water being contaminated by that star like a torch called wormwood, which falls on a third of the rivers and springs of water, of which many die from drinking.
There will be no escape from the torment of those demonic beings that come up out of the Abyss who will torment the inhabitants for five months with tails and stings like that of scorpions.
There will be no escape from those four angels and their demonic army of 200 million who kill a third of what is left of mankind.
There will be no escaping the results of Satan and his angels being cast to the earth at the 7th trumpet/3rd woe.
There will be no escaping the 4th bowl judgment when the sun is given power to scorch the inhabitants with intense heat. Nor will there be any escaping any of the other bowl judgments.
God is going to remove his church before all of the above begins. Do you really believe that God is going to send his church through the plagues above? Does the wrath that Jesus suffered on our behalf satisfy God's wrath?
I continue to proclaim it: People do not understand the severity and magnitude of God's coming wrath. Nor do they truly understand what Jesus did for us if they believe that God is going to send his church, who have been reconciled and credited with righteousness, through his wrath.
No one is exempt from God's wrath during those days. Only the 144,000 are exempt from the 5th trumpet.
P
Throughout Jesus's ministry he preformed many signs and wonders. Did this convince the religious leaders of the day? No...in fact today the world still seeks a sign which is why the antichrist comes on the scene. Antichrist in true definition means instead of Christ.
According to scripture no one is put in authority over us except by God. Romans 13:1.
What purpose would it serve God to submit his children under the authority of Satan when he gave his son to ransom us from him?
From the very start of the tribulation to the end God is in control. This is his vengeance, this is his wrath. Vengeance is mine says the Lord I will repay.
Read the scriptures clearly Satan did not have and does not have power to do this. But power was given....by whom? God. This is the Lord's day.
Not that myth that Satan and God duke it out on earth but by the rejection of the gift that was given God sent the gift that the world wants. Antichrist.
Would a loving father who's children ask for bread would he give a stone? A serpent?
If you can answer how this going through the trib sent by God glorifies his son I would be very interested in reading it.
According to scripture no one is put in authority over us except by God. Romans 13:1.
What purpose would it serve God to submit his children under the authority of Satan when he gave his son to ransom us from him?
From the very start of the tribulation to the end God is in control. This is his vengeance, this is his wrath. Vengeance is mine says the Lord I will repay.
Read the scriptures clearly Satan did not have and does not have power to do this. But power was given....by whom? God. This is the Lord's day.
Not that myth that Satan and God duke it out on earth but by the rejection of the gift that was given God sent the gift that the world wants. Antichrist.
Would a loving father who's children ask for bread would he give a stone? A serpent?
If you can answer how this going through the trib sent by God glorifies his son I would be very interested in reading it.
Never had a Latte or what ever that is?>>>It seems you are trying to place God's Wrath as a replacement for Daniel's 70th week. Not so...Daniel's 70th is a specific 7 years of tribulations where upwards to 500 prophecies (given to the prophets by GOD), will happen.
God's wrath on the other hand, can and does happen at any time. Do you not think the destruction of the Temple and the Holy City in 70AD was just the Romans and their puny earthy greed. God uses mankind to dish out his judgement with a few exceptions (i.e. Noah's Flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, Daniel in the Lion's den, etc,,,etc,,,etc,,). Just as he did these, He will judge mankind through the antichrist, the 4 horsemen, 6th seal, the Harlot who rides the beast, etc. followed by the trumpets and the bowls which will follow in quick succession. While the 6th seal, trumpets and the bowls are supernatural, the others are of Man yet they still are part of God's Wrath. Which I might say, The Church does not go through because of the Rapture.
God's wrath on the other hand, can and does happen at any time. Do you not think the destruction of the Temple and the Holy City in 70AD was just the Romans and their puny earthy greed. God uses mankind to dish out his judgement with a few exceptions (i.e. Noah's Flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, Daniel in the Lion's den, etc,,,etc,,,etc,,). Just as he did these, He will judge mankind through the antichrist, the 4 horsemen, 6th seal, the Harlot who rides the beast, etc. followed by the trumpets and the bowls which will follow in quick succession. While the 6th seal, trumpets and the bowls are supernatural, the others are of Man yet they still are part of God's Wrath. Which I might say, The Church does not go through because of the Rapture.
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