Quitting coffee

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JosephsDreams

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Also it was a general question about the issue, as well as a specific one with you. But actually more general.
 

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I asked him that if you, or someone like you, who was on or on something close to the diet you are on could have any hope if you really narrowed your diet, with the petit's.
He said "most probably".
 

blue_ladybug

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Most probably, eh. Tell him he's wrong..lol


I asked him that if you, or someone like you, who was on or on something close to the diet you are on could have any hope if you really narrowed your diet, with the petit's.
He said "most probably".
 

JosephsDreams

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He said "most probably". We only discussed for about 2 minutes.
What that means is that he thinks that "most probably" you would see some kind of improvement if you really tightened up your diet to like 3 or 4 levels above where you are now.
This is a 85 year old nutritionist who has a PHD and has worked with literally tens of thousands of clients over the last 50 years, more then a handful of them having your issue.
 

blue_ladybug

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Well, what does 3 or 4 levels above mean? I can't eat much better than I already do.. lol


He said "most probably". We only discussed for about 2 minutes.
What that means is that he thinks that "most probably" you would see some kind of improvement if you really tightened up your diet to like 3 or 4 levels above where you are now.
This is a 85 year old nutritionist who has a PHD and has worked with literally tens of thousands of clients over the last 50 years, more then a handful of them having your issue.
 

JosephsDreams

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He is not wrong. There you go again with your just jumping to conclusions without the experience or the info...
Are you usually this cynical? Or have your mind so made up without the knowledge?

Maybe just scared to change. I don't know. Just saying...
 

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You can eat better, maybe a lot better, then you are now. This is where you really do not understand this. NO insult intended.
 

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You know how many people tell me they eat well and how many actually do?
Maybe 1%, maybe less even
 

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I became addicted to the taste of coffee and ended up drinking it all day. I loved black strong coffee with no flavor. Now coffee didnt wake me up or give me energy but what is was prone to do was make me jittery, and upset my stomach.

Once i began having anxiety this jitterness and stomach upset didnt help because my anxiety made them two even worse.

I am so thankful for that because now i am in love with green, white, yellow, red, black and assorted green teas.

What I did to quit drinking coffee was started to drink black teas which has the highest caffeine but not as much as a cup of coffee. I drank this for awhile until the point i didnt even like the taste of caffeinated coffee but enjoyed decaf coffee.

So now i have so much tea, loose tea leafs or cheap tea bags. Its now my confort drink. I drink it plain or with honey just how i am feeling.

I no longer miss coffee but now happy to make tea and smell it lol.

Soda is still a problem for me that is my current obligation to try and quit
 

blue_ladybug

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When you've had seizures EVERY DAY, since the age of 5, yes, one does become cynical..So HOW do I eat better than I am right now? Please enlighten me.. :)


He is not wrong. There you go again with your just jumping to conclusions without the experience or the info...
Are you usually this cynical? Or have your mind so made up without the knowledge?

Maybe just scared to change. I don't know. Just saying...
 

blue_ladybug

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And he said probably. Not definitely or absolutely. Just probably. Meaning maybe so, maybe not..
 

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I am not repeating myself anymore. I can see why the prophets and Jesus said and felt some of the ways and things they did about "these people" and "this generation."
I know what works, and what gets results. It is time proven, biblically endorsed and scientifically supported.
I have a deep knowledge about what the bible says regarding diet, since that was my career focus and since I know that Gods natural laws are universal and enduring.

I have said it before, the lack of insight I have witnessed among Christians into what the bible says about our bodies and diet and lifestyle leads me to think that if generally Christians are this dull about this subject, what else are they missing when it comes to biblical understanding? If the principal of application applies here, then the conclusion is not unreasonable that if Christians have such a lack of faith and understanding of Gods word regarding lifestyle then they also have the same issue with other areas of the bible and their Christian walk. If you all are living the same compromised manner spiritually that you are dietary then your walk is compromised. if you believe in moderation about your walk the same way you do about diet and lifestyle then we as a religion have moderate to low power.

I put the info out there. You either have a narrow mindset about it or not. Do your own studying. I am giving you all enough to get started if your interested. If you are not, that is between you and your body and God.

I am not a therapist and have neither the time nor inclination to get into the psychological reasons of why people resist change and/or refuse to take responsibility for their own health, and/or are cynical and skeptical about the things the bible says. If you are sick and refuse to even investigate alternative treatments, then thats your choice. I know if it was me, I would be doing all I could to restore my health in how God designed the body. but that's just me. Some people, for whatever deep reason, protest in words but in deeds become friends with their ailments. I have seen it time and again. There is a profound psychological element to this. I would suggest some of you need to pray more about this before you jump start your mouths.
Ultimately your understanding of the word regarding health is between you and God.

My job is to get the info out there. Those that refuse it, that's fine with me. I am not insulted, not in the least. Those that have the inclination and energy and/or the time and wisdom to investigate it, that's to your benefit, and maybe also to the benefit of loved ones too. We all have our paths and our decisions. Some are destined to remain sick when they need not be. You can make alkl the excuses you want if it makes your rationalization of why you can not accomplish something easier for you to accept. That's just the way of this fallen world.

I am not sick. I am very well at almost 58 years of age. Thanks mostly to the way I eat. My blood work is that of someone in their 30's (and 40's with some things). I recently ran 9 miles. That in itself is not a big deal, but it is if you know that the last time I did any cardio was 10 months previous. These are the things this lifestyle can do. I have the body of an average 30 year old. I could go on, but why bother?

To many of you are firmly set in your ways, God help you/and help us all.
It is a free gift. I am trying to help Christians improve their health through the way God designed for us.
You can either accept the gift or not. The same as any gift from the Lord. I am just the messenger.
Maybe the problem is that because it is free you do not respect the info. If I charged you for it, then you would take it more seriously...

Still I will continue to put the info out there when I can. In the meantime I am currently helping many people in their natural God endorsed healing. And I am actually getting paid from people who appreciate what they hear and who are responding well to the alteration of their lifestyles. Sadly most of these people are not even Christians. Many of them are professionals and well educated. Quite a few make a good income and actually value their health and wellness.

Some of them are even atheists. And even more unfortunate I have observed that the atheists, the younger ones especially, are more receptive and smarter about this then most Christians. I understand now more and more why the bible said my people perish because of lack of knowledge.
Gods way of living works. A unsaved person can apply Godly principals and live a unsaved but a upright and profitable life. This goes for health, relationships, finances, etc.

If anyone has a question i will be happy to answer it. I just can not fritter away my time on people who are not intellectually honest or who have no idea on what a profitable exchange of thoughts. I have noticed it is typical of many people here on this site to ask a question, or make a comment, have it sincerely answered and then they just completely ignore the reply. They just
go on about only their point without acknowledging the other person.
I was not raised like that, and I consider it rude. I find it even more disconcerting that Christians behave like this. Additionally it is a waste of time for those who are sincerely trying to have a honest exchange.


I do not know if the internet chat rooms just draws this type of crowd, or what. This is only the second chat site I have ever been on, the other is a hobby I have. Frankly, generally, the tone of the conversation on the other sight is at a higher and more genuine and intellectual level then it is on this site.

God bless and good luck in your studies and revelations to you all.
 
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blue_ladybug

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The thing is, most people tend to go by what God says is okay to eat, INCLUDING meat. I don't eat red meat, I don't eat pork. But I do eat chicken, tuna fish and turkey. You're always saying, eat nuts and seeds and fruit. Well, aren't coffee beans and cocoa beans considered nuts or seeds? :confused: And why would God give them to us if they're harmful to our bodies? You can't honestly expect people to just give up something they love eating or drinking, just like that. Everyone's interpretation of the bible is different, not everyone is going to agree that stuff like coffee and chocolate is bad for you. Dark chocolate is actually GOOD for you, it's full of bioflavonoids and anti-oxidants..
 
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Some folks simply claim their advice is to help people by educating them about proper dieting. But how effective is that advice if it comes with cutting insults?

Which is worse? A cup of coffee or an onslaught of verbal fiery darts?

Quite mornings with a cup of coffee and the one I love. It's a great way to start the day.

Prayers. Positive thoughts. Lift people up.
 

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The thing is, most people tend to go by what God says is okay to eat, INCLUDING meat. I don't eat red meat, I don't eat pork. But I do eat chicken, tuna fish and turkey. You're always saying, eat nuts and seeds and fruit. Well, aren't coffee beans and cocoa beans considered nuts or seeds? :confused: And why would God give them to us if they're harmful to our bodies? You can't honestly expect people to just give up something they love eating or drinking, just like that. Everyone's interpretation of the bible is different, not everyone is going to agree that stuff like coffee and chocolate is bad for you. Dark chocolate is actually GOOD for you, it's full of bioflavonoids and anti-oxidants..
Well said, Lady Blue. We are not all on the same spiritual plane on our life's journey. I believe that most of us are sincere in desiring a more fulfilling walk with the Lord but often we are led down many different paths to reach where we need to be. It should not be assumed that because our spiritual priorities, as we are led and guided by the Holy Spirit may be different than we must be ignorant or unconcerned about living a proper and decent life in our humble service to the Lord.

Of course we should take care of our bodies and perhaps live a certain way but that does not mean that life should be devoid of any enjoyment whatsoever, especially regarding diet.

What long term studies show that eating like a vegan is really healthful and beneficial? There was once a well known marathon runner that believe in maintaining what he considered a healthy diet and lifestyle. He dropped dead one day at the age of 48. At least if he had taken a little pleasure in the food that God has offered he would have perhaps died with a smile on his face.

Coffee beans and cocoa beans do indeed come from part of the fruit family. There are numerous medical studies outlining the health benefits of consuming both.

I'm glad that I'm not a health snob. I enjoy eating responsibly from God's great bounty. You have quality of life and quantity of life. For our spiritual, physical and mental well-being it is wise to maintain a balance and enjoy the best that we can with what God has graciously provided.
 
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TY, JD,

for CARING through all of the toil and tribulation, we commend you for your tanicity:
we, both of us have learned many years ago how the Truth and REAL living for Jesus
offends most people...

a precious perk of this is, that Loving-others becomes so much more easy, for our hearts remember
what we have done ourselves when we lived in the 'fallen-world' , but most of all, we
can never 'forget' what our Saviour has done for us...

11COR. 5:17.
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away;
behold, all things are become new.
 
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The thing is, most people tend to go by what God says is okay to eat, INCLUDING meat. I don't eat red meat, I don't eat pork. But I do eat chicken, tuna fish and turkey. You're always saying, eat nuts and seeds and fruit. Well, aren't coffee beans and cocoa beans considered nuts or seeds? :confused: And why would God give them to us if they're harmful to our bodies? You can't honestly expect people to just give up something they love eating or drinking, just like that. Everyone's interpretation of the bible is different, not everyone is going to agree that stuff like coffee and chocolate is bad for you. Dark chocolate is actually GOOD for you, it's full of bioflavonoids and anti-oxidants..
I do not expect people to give up or do anything. I can tell by your comments though blue your probably in a state of denial. This is a strong emotional factor in why people have a hard time transitioning into healthy and beneficial habits.
Your whole post is just a denial of the power of God and living in and with the spirit. All your doing is convincing yourself why people, or you, can not do things. Frankly, it is a losing attitude.
Whoever has this same outlook is severely limiting the power of Him in you.

Most people that lead or have radically changed their lives have the opposite paradigm of what you expressed in your post. I will pray for you.

Also, to be very transparent, many of you here remind me of the very same exact attitude of the pharisees. You want the status quo to remain exactly as it s because you have a vested interest in it, i.e., you want to remain stuck in your comfy mediocre and unhealthy lifestyle habits. So when anyone comes along and tells you God has a better way, just like the pharisees, you take umbrage. I am just the messenger.

Let me ask you bunch of cynical unbelievers this: have you prayed about this? I have asked you this before blue, yet you and not also one of you here who has ridiculed me has replied to me. Big surprise ! Have you actually tried doing, even for just a month, what I have put forth here regarding diet? Are you all that undisciplined or dull of spirit? Can any of you find fault in this diet? Does it have side effects you are concerned with? Yet you readily take prescription meds that have horrendous side effects. You eat and drink stimulating things almost every day. But I come along and tell you that according to the bible there is a better way, and you do not even know the scriptures well to even interpret this relatively simple correctly.

You say there is nothing wrong with chocolate. Moire and I see I gave you to much credit; your near clueless about what foods do and diet. your understanding is just a little bit better then the average person. You use the same tired ragged worn argument that "oh, this food has so and so in it that is good for you". Do you not read any of my posts on this subject. Do you not even look a inch below the surface of what you want to see and believe, because of your pleasure principals?
I keep saying it, I will say it again, because obviously some of you need to hear things multiple times for it to sink in, if it ever does: If a food has more chemicals it in that are bad then good (simple addition and subtraction rules here) then it is net minus food. I will say it again. It is then a net minus food. Chocolate and coffee are some of those foods. Very simple - that means it does more harm then good. Got it? Wine is also a net minus food.

But some of you are so anesthetized by the garbage you have been eating all your lives that your body awareness is dull, in fact just about non existent. Your bodies are so overwhelmed by the insults you heap upon it day after day that you would not even be senstive to eat if you ate the seeds from 10 apples. Your saying, what does that mean? Eat the seeds from 10 apples...look it up.

Just about any of you on the SAD that is in the late 30's or older are living a half life in regard to your vital life force. You have depleted your enzyme levels and other critical levels of metabolic so much that your in zombie land with what your body whould be able to do and what it actually can do. What should at the age of 45, 50, 55 and older be among some of the best years of your life is instead the time when many of you begin taking biologically incompatible prescribed drugs for many, actually most, ailments that could be done away by simply altering your lifestyles. Thanks to the type of foods you eat, the hours you eat them, and the way you eat them. Your chewing your way to disease. Yet you persist without a though when the answer is in the very word you cherish but do not apply.

Then to ease your conscience you tell me I am not a doctor and I focus on the flesh. Two inane arguments. i am sometimes incredulous concerning the painlessness of some thoughts expressed here.

First, you should be glad I am not a doctor, for if I was, I would not have the training and open mind to do this. Doctors are taught about 30 hours of nutrition in college. That means for the whole time they are there. Also the focus in those courses is value of foods. They do not afford the bio chemical aspect of food, which is the true key to all this.
I have also said this before, but of course that has been glossed over.

Second, I do not focus on the flesh. In fact I have denied the flash maybe more then any of you. Maybe more then all of you put together. The person who said that, if you have the courage and character to even respond to me in an adult manner:
Have many times have you fasted? How many days or months?

I can tell you I have fasted frequently and for very long durations. And on just water. Or sometimes on just fresh basic vegetable juices. In fact I am amazed how little Christians consider and apply fasting in their lives, for health and spiritual reasons.
 
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I am not repeating myself anymore. I can see why the prophets and Jesus said and felt some of the ways and things they did about "these people" and "this generation."
Still dishing it out!

But your harping on about diet for the flesh is not worthy to be compared to the God ordained work and labor of God's holy prophets who spoke of the salvation of souls.
To compare those who reject your haughty opinion to those who reject the word of God's holy and inspired prophets is out of nothing less than an unmeasurable arrogance and foolishness.
 
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