Daily Repentance Vs. One-time Repentance?

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BillG

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Repentance in a sense is not turning away from sin.

Its turning to God and saying "I need you, without you I am not complete"
 
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I think that acknowledging regret and try to do better would grant me forgiveness.. :) But I've seen people on here say that you need to repent every time. Repent if you swear, repent if you lie, repent if you steal, etc.. That's why I posed the title question and started this thread. :) If you continually sin without repenting, isn't it kind of like you can do what you want, with no fear of retribution from God?
Let's go back to Willie's 1500 pound building. If I try to move it, I can guarantee I would have to acknowledge my regret and have to try harder. Say I started to move that building when I was 47. Well, I'm 61. I'd still be regretting and trying and that building would merely be 14 years older, not 14 feet further away. Is it enough to say I tried and I regret?

Not really. Nothing has changed. I can't. At my best, I couldn't. 20 years from now I couldn't. And does it matter? No. Not only because there was never a need for me to move that building, but because trying and regretting isn't repenting. It's trying and regretting.

Repent means turn from it. To turn from that building would be to recognize I can't to it and walk away in the other direction. Because walking in the same direction means I keep slamming my body into that building.

For Christians, "turn from" means something. We "turn from" sin and turn to the opposite direction. The opposite direction from sin is God! We turn to him!!! No try. Maybe some regret at our incompetence, but HE is our ability, not trying or regretting. Which is why we turn to him.

Repentance is all about direction -- away from sin and to God always. HE is our ability, not trying.
 
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I was under the impression that we should repent for everything. I often repent for things I didn't realize was sinning at the time of doing it. Just to have everything covered. But I also understand that most of us will die without a clean slate. Doesn't that fall under once saved always saved?
How can you turn from something if you don't even see the something to turn from it?
 
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No.


Often, "Yes."

Will either way make any difference in our Salvation?
No.

Does repeatedly telling Jesus we think we are unforgiven, hurt Him?
Probably............................ But He has already forgiven us for that. He knew we would fall back into religion in a lot of areas.... even those we don't recognize.
What is salvation to you if repent isn't connected to it? For that matter, what is repent to you, if all you're doing is asking for forgiveness?
 

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What is salvation to you if repent isn't connected to it? For that matter, what is repent to you, if all you're doing is asking for forgiveness?
He's just playing with words:)
 

BillG

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How can you turn from something if you don't even see the something to turn from it?
I think it's called covering all bases. Just in case
 
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Would there even BE a battle in your mind if you were not aware that something was wrong with the way you are thinking? And when you give in to what you already know is not the right way, then I'm fairly certain you aren't just doing it unconsciously and unaware.
What battle? Sounds like all you want is forgiveness, and since Jesus forgives nothing to battle.

Sounds like...
"Whoops, broke the lamp, Mom."

"That's okay honey."

"Broke the TV."

"That's okay."

Broke Billy's nose."

"That's okay."

"Broke the stool..."

I'm not turning from squat. I am officially able to do whatever I feel like doing. And Mom is merely enabling me to do whatever I feel like doing.

Bad relationship between mother and daughter and bad relationship between us and God. You aren't talking repentance. You're talking spoiled child!
 

Roughsoul1991

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How can you turn from something if you don't even see the something to turn from it?
Its turning from rebellion sin, deliberate sin, sin we do but know to be wrong.

Am i the only one that has ever deliberate sinned against God. Example I was in highschool and i knew what God wanted but i followed my friends advice into fighting another kid who kept messing with me.

And guess what i did. I listened to the flesh and we beated up each others flesh until we was tackled by the staff.

This is deliberate sin. But the difference is deliberately sinning as in continuance in knowing sin.

For many years of my Christian faith i had followed what I wanted but ignored scripture that was too sacrificial to give up.

This way of living led to my revelation of God telling me basically are you going to remain lukewarm or are you going to truly follow me.

I knew at that point in my heart if i had remained lukewarm God was warning me please do not continue down that path. I knew i had two choices to forever make in life as a Christian. 1 be a lukewarm Christian and die eternally or 2 surrender and deny self daily in continuance to live for Christ.
 

Roughsoul1991

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My walk in faith has been rough and have had to learn a lot the hard way. Im stubborn and all too often i put my foot down and tell God im sorry but i have bills and cant afford to give 10% but knowing in my heart i can give ten dollars every week but i many times forget but still no excuse since we have the option to mail our tithes in.

This is me knowing whats right but failing to correct it. We are to give what God lays in our hearts to give. For some thats 10%, 20%, or 2%. But either way i am prone to ignore it when bills get rough.

Knowing when i tithe God blesses me and takes care of me. But my flesh wants control.

Not saying this deliberate sin is making me fall away, because i am acknowledging it and trying to surrender it to Christ to help me.

The difference would be if i ignore it completely and keep living changing nothing. You say thats just one sin but i garuntee this attitude will lead to other rebellious acts only allowing the devil to lie, tempt, and distract you further from God.
 
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Let's go back to Willie's 1500 pound building. If I try to move it, I can guarantee I would have to acknowledge my regret and have to try harder. Say I started to move that building when I was 47. Well, I'm 61. I'd still be regretting and trying and that building would merely be 14 years older, not 14 feet further away. Is it enough to say I tried and I regret?

Not really. Nothing has changed. I can't. At my best, I couldn't. 20 years from now I couldn't. And does it matter? No. Not only because there was never a need for me to move that building, but because trying and regretting isn't repenting. It's trying and regretting.

Repent means turn from it. To turn from that building would be to recognize I can't to it and walk away in the other direction. Because walking in the same direction means I keep slamming my body into that building.

For Christians, "turn from" means something. We "turn from" sin and turn to the opposite direction. The opposite direction from sin is God! We turn to him!!! No try. Maybe some regret at our incompetence, but HE is our ability, not trying or regretting. Which is why we turn to him.

Repentance is all about direction -- away from sin and to God always. HE is our ability, not trying.
Except that 'repent' doesn't mean "to turn from." Jesus was never telling someone to just 'turn from' sin. He was saying to decide to trust in him. The Pharisees were already very practiced and skilled at not breaking the Law... and that was all they knew to be "sin."
 

BillG

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My walk in faith has been rough and have had to learn a lot the hard way. Im stubborn and all too often i put my foot down and tell God im sorry but i have bills and cant afford to give 10% but knowing in my heart i can give ten dollars every week but i many times forget but still no excuse since we have the option to mail our tithes in.

This is me knowing whats right but failing to correct it. We are to give what God lays in our hearts to give. For some thats 10%, 20%, or 2%. But either way i am prone to ignore it when bills get rough.

Knowing when i tithe God blesses me and takes care of me. But my flesh wants control.

Not saying this deliberate sin is making me fall away, because i am acknowledging it and trying to surrender it to Christ to help me.

The difference would be if i ignore it completely and keep living changing nothing. You say thats just one sin but i garuntee this attitude will lead to other rebellious acts only allowing the devil to lie, tempt, and distract you further from God.
With you on this one, we could all express the same for other things in our lives. It's acknowledging it and saying Jesus help me.
That's what Jesus wants from us. He can help us in that state.
 
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My walk in faith has been rough and have had to learn a lot the hard way. Im stubborn and all too often i put my foot down and tell God im sorry but i have bills and cant afford to give 10% but knowing in my heart i can give ten dollars every week but i many times forget but still no excuse since we have the option to mail our tithes in.

This is me knowing whats right but failing to correct it. We are to give what God lays in our hearts to give. For some thats 10%, 20%, or 2%. But either way i am prone to ignore it when bills get rough.

Knowing when i tithe God blesses me and takes care of me. But my flesh wants control.

Not saying this deliberate sin is making me fall away, because i am acknowledging it and trying to surrender it to Christ to help me.

The difference would be if i ignore it completely and keep living changing nothing. You say thats just one sin but i garuntee this attitude will lead to other rebellious acts only allowing the devil to lie, tempt, and distract you further from God.
And this is what not one single person I know is doing. But I do see several people on this forum claiming that not only does anyone they want to slam on here do it, but just about every other Christian walking around (except them) is doing, too.
 
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Sooo, on some of the sin and salvation threads, there is some question/debate about whether we need to repent of our sins daily/when we do them, or if repentance is a one-time occurence after we get saved, since Jesus died for all sin. Some believe we need to repent each time we sin. Others think we don't need to repent time and again, because Jesus paid for ALL sin, past, present and future.. What say you all? Please keep it civil, no fighting or name-calling, and provide scripture to back up your views. :) Thanks..
Every time we begin committing a sin, we need to stop committing that sin, which is repentance.
 
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I think it's called covering all bases. Just in case
Base = cross.
Covered = Jesus' blood to death on that cross.
Proof it was covered = he rose again.
 
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He's just playing with words:)
Willie doesn't play word games. (Well, he does, but it's clear when he is.) I suspect what he means isn't how I'm reading it. To quote an old movie, "What we have here is a failure to communicate." lol
 
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Its turning from rebellion sin, deliberate sin, sin we do but know to be wrong.

Am i the only one that has ever deliberate sinned against God. Example I was in highschool and i knew what God wanted but i followed my friends advice into fighting another kid who kept messing with me.

And guess what i did. I listened to the flesh and we beated up each others flesh until we was tackled by the staff.

This is deliberate sin. But the difference is deliberately sinning as in continuance in knowing sin.

For many years of my Christian faith i had followed what I wanted but ignored scripture that was too sacrificial to give up.

This way of living led to my revelation of God telling me basically are you going to remain lukewarm or are you going to truly follow me.

I knew at that point in my heart if i had remained lukewarm God was warning me please do not continue down that path. I knew i had two choices to forever make in life as a Christian. 1 be a lukewarm Christian and die eternally or 2 surrender and deny self daily in continuance to live for Christ.
Go back. He was turning from sin when he didn't even know he sinned. Can't call that rebellion. I absolutely know when I'm rebelling. I'm pretty sure we all do.
 
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this is a tough one for me.
all I can say is that my understanding of the word repent in the bible means to change ones mind, afterall God repented in Jonah 3:10
 
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Where sin abounds, grace did much more abound.....John covers this topic in 1st John extensively.......using words such as "if" and "when" etc.......applied unto sin in a believer I might add....
 
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Except that 'repent' doesn't mean "to turn from." Jesus was never telling someone to just 'turn from' sin. He was saying to decide to trust in him. The Pharisees were already very practiced and skilled at not breaking the Law... and that was all they knew to be "sin."
Strong's Concordance.

metanoeō
met-an-o-eh'-o
From G3326 and G3539; to think differently or afterwards, that is, reconsider (morally to feel compunction): - repent.
Total KJV occurrences: 34

(I like the "compunction" part.)

Adam Clarke's take:
Repent - Μετανοειτε. This was the matter of the preaching. The verb μετανοεω is either compounded of μετα, after, and νοειν to understand, which signifies that, after hearing such preaching, the sinner is led to understand, that the way he has walked in was the way of misery, death, and hell. Or the word may be derived from μετα after, and ανοια, madness, which intimates that the whole life of a sinner is no other than a continued course of madness and folly: and if to live in a constant opposition to all the dictates of true wisdom; to wage war with his own best interests in time and eternity; to provoke and insult the living God; and, by habitual sin, to prepare himself only for a state of misery, be evidences of insanity, every sinner exhibits them plentifully. It was from this notion of the word, that the Latins termed repentance resipiscentia, a growing wise again, from re and sapere; or, according to Tertullian, Resipiscentia, quasi receptio mentis ad se, restoring the mind to itself: Contra Marcion, lib. ii. Repentance, then, implies that a measure of Divine wisdom is communicated to the sinner, and that he thereby becomes wise to salvation. That his mind, purposes, opinions, and inclinations, are changed; and that, in consequence, there is a total change in his conduct. It need scarcely be remarked, that, in this state, a man feels deep anguish of soul, because he has sinned against God, unfitted himself for heaven, and exposed his soul to hell. Hence, a true penitent has that sorrow, whereby he forsakes sin, not only because it has been ruinous to his own soul, but because it has been offensive to God.

(I like the forsaking part.)

Either which way, I know the Pharisees took the law and changed it to fit them, so they weren't really following it as much as looking like they were. So, I tend to think of it as more of a "What? Are you nuts to keep running into the wall rather than turn to God?" kind of thing.
 
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I wonder if anyone here remembers the story a few years back about the African Pastor who had an argument with his wife and she slapped him, he was furious and I think it was the next day that he was in a car accident and pronounced dead, sometime later he came back with quite a story. He said that he was informed by the Lord that he was headed for hell because he died without forgiving his wife. He claimed that he argued with the Lord and pointed that he was a dedicated Pastor and had lived most of his life for the Lord, according to him the Lord said to him,. you died with the sin of not forgiving your wife. Anyway I bet you can find this story on the net today...I have no opinion about it, just telling folks of the story.