Daily Repentance Vs. One-time Repentance?

[blue_ladybug]

My understanding of the word "repent" has always been, to ask for forgiveness of my sins. But it makes sense that repent can mean to change one's mind, since you have to make the choice to feel sorry enough to ask for forgiveness to begin with.. lol

this is a tough one for me.
all I can say is that my understanding of the word repent in the bible means to change ones mind, afterall God repented in Jonah 3:10

 

[BenFTW]

The consequence of stating that one must confess their sins (as often as they come) in order to receive forgiveness (in judicial standing with God) is that a person then concludes, by implication, that Jesus' sacrifice wasn't enough, and that He needs to get back on the cross for sin. What does scripture state in reference to sin, and forgiveness? Without the shedding of blood there is no remission. So, pray tell me, how does sin confession alone suffice for forgiveness if no sacrifice is made?

We go back to Jesus and consider that His sacrifice is sufficient, His blood sufficient, and that He died once for all sin for all people, once and for all. It is finished. In Hebrews it speaks of Jesus not being like the priests of old, but having an eternal priesthood. They died, but He has resurrected and lives forever. He doesn't need to sacrifice for the sins of the people year after year like the priests of old, but did it once and sat at the Father's right hand. Again, it is finished.

What does this mean? If sin is dealt with by the shedding of blood for remission, then that means all sin has been dealt with by the eternally sufficient sacrifice (bloodshed) of Jesus. Otherwise, as scripture states, He would've had to suffer since the foundation of the world (Hebrews 9:26). But no, as Hebrews continues to state...

[h=1]Hebrews 9:26 King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT=&quot]26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Other verses pertinent to this conversation...

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[h=1]Hebrews 10:10-18 King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT=&quot]10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

The point being that sin has experienced remission, and therefore they do not need dealing with any longer as Christ already paid their price. Why would we seek forgiveness for sins that have already been forgiven, taken away, and experienced remission through the blood of the Lamb?

PS: This isn't to say that we cannot be naked before the Lord, honest and open about our shortcomings and seek Him for sanctification in areas that grieve us. [/FONT]

 

[Willie-T]

I wonder if anyone here remembers the story a few years back about the African Pastor who had an argument with his wife and she slapped him, he was furious and I think it was the next day that he was in a car accident and pronounced dead, sometime later he came back with quite a story. He said that he was informed by the Lord that he was headed for hell because he died without forgiving his wife. He claimed that he argued with the Lord and pointed that he was a dedicated Pastor and had lived most of his life for the Lord, according to him the Lord said to him,. you died with the sin of not forgiving your wife. Anyway I bet you can find this story on the net today...I have no opinion about it, just telling folks of the story.

And I can find a few stories that relate what it was like to be abducted by aliens...... or probably just about any scenario you care to name. Just the mere fact that he claimed before God to be qualified to enter Heaven because of his past works, pretty well negates almost anything else he would say.

If someone believes something, it is likely to be in any story they tell.

 

[Magenta]

I wonder if anyone here remembers the story a few years back about the African Pastor who had an argument with his wife and she slapped him, he was furious and I think it was the next day that he was in a car accident and pronounced dead, sometime later he came back with quite a story. He said that he was informed by the Lord that he was headed for hell because he died without forgiving his wife. He claimed that he argued with the Lord and pointed that he was a dedicated Pastor and had lived most of his life for the Lord, according to him the Lord said to him,. you died with the sin of not forgiving your wife. Anyway I bet you can find this story on the net today...I have no opinion about it, just telling folks of the story.

Why are you telling us this story of delusion?

 

[blue_ladybug]

I know that ALL sin, including past and present, AND FUTURE has been forgiven, but for the life of me, I'm confused as to how FUTURE sin, which has NOT been committed yet, can be forgiven.

Mysterious are the ways of God.. lol

 

[BenFTW]

I know that ALL sin, including past and present, AND FUTURE has been forgiven, but for the life of me, I'm confused as to how FUTURE sin, which has NOT been committed yet, can be forgiven.

Mysterious are the ways of God.. lol

Here is something else for you to ponder. Jesus died for your sin before you even committed it. So before the sin even took place, Christ had already shed His blood for its remission.

 

[Yahshua]

Okay, so here's another question I have. Some believe that only our past and present sins are forgiven, but not any FUTURE sins of ours, since we don't know what they will be or when we'll sin. Did Jesus' sacrifice on the cross, also take care of any future sins that we may do?

I know I sound stupid, lol.. I promise I'm not. It's just that these are the things that my simple brain wonders about.. LOL

Unfortunately, no Christ's sacrifice on the cross did not take care of future sins. Sins are "acts of crime against God"; "works unto death". To have something cover a future crime is creating a license to commit that crime in the future. Christ told folks to stop sinning after they were forgiven of the sins they *previously* committed. Notice the following passages...


John 5:14
Later Jesus found him at the temple and said to him, "See, you are well again. Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you."

John 8:11
She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Matthew 9:6
But that ye may know that the Son of man hath authority on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.

Psalm 103:12
As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.


Also, notice Christ was *already* forgiving peoples' sins personally long before he went to the cross because he was given the authority to do so from the Father as the true high priest. But his sacrifice on the cross provided the blood to accomplished a very important task related to forgiveness of sin...


Leviticus 16:2
2 And the Lord said unto Moses, Speak unto Aaron thy brother, that he come not at all times into the holy place within the vail before the mercy seat, which is upon the ark; that he die not: for I will appear in the cloud upon the mercy seat.


...Because God is holy, the way to his heavenly throne was blocked by us because of our filthiness of sin. So pure blood was needed to cover the throne SO THAT WE COULD APPROACH like only a priest could (once his own uncleanness was covered by the blood, and only on a specific day of the year). Prior to that, we could not BOLDLY approach the throne OURSELVES to do only what the priest could do as our representative, which was "ask forgiveness for sin".

So what Christ was previously doing one...person...at...a...time...could now be accomplished for MANY and WHENEVER necessary because he's now a high priest who's everlasting, in heaven. He offered his blood once for all (people) who would take advantage of it. This did not end the process of a person seeking God's forgiveness for sin. People still have to seek God's forgiveness for their future sins they commit. But what Christ did is streamline the process and open the door for us, so that we no longer had to:

1. Go to the temple in Jerusalem (which many of us today could never afford to do)

2. Offer up a sacrifice (which many of us don't know how to do)

3. Kill that sacrifice as payment (which would turn many of our stomachs)

4. Sprinkle or pour the blood (which was only a placeholder anyhow and could never really cleansed because it's animal's blood)

Again, WE could now BOLDLY COME before the throne to obtain MERCY (for our sins we commit; i.e. forgiveness) and GRACE (i.e. divine empowerment to live righteously to eventually stop sinning). This is why James says...

1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say we have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar, and His word is not in us


The way has been made open by Christ for God to forgive all people's sin in a new and living way; a way to reconcile the world TO him, not him TO the world. We still must reconcile with God (i.e. ask for forgiveness when we do sin). Our slate is cleaned once we first come to him asking for forgiveness in faith, and our slate is cleaned whenever we confess to him any sin we commit. And as we allow God and Christ into our hearts to be sprinkled with his blood, he writes his law on it so that the work Christ begins in us - which is to make our heart like his - he will eventually complete.


Revelation 3:20
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

 

[DustyRhodes]

One time is enough for God...A thousand times is not enough to correct our own behavior.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

And this is what not one single person I know is doing. But I do see several people on this forum claiming that not only does anyone they want to slam on here do it, but just about every other Christian walking around (except them) is doing, too.

Well all i know is I see it. I see people believing lukewarm is okay. That guy i knew in highschool publicly came out saying he was tired of praying away the gay and now will live with his new boyfriend. This guy is preaching at some church near Atlanta.

Sadly out of 100 something comments on his post 98 comments was congratulated him and happy for him. But when 2 of us question his whole ordeal with preaching truth but living in deliberate sin. We get severly attacked by comments from people claiming to be christian and of course non believers.

I see it at my job since i live in the bible belt, its easier to find people who go to church and believe God. But many times i cant hang around these same people by the swearing, god d##g this and that, talking about females so vulgarly.

I rarely see people who are as motivated as some on here. Most church's has a small percentage of participation compared to the people sitting in the seats.

 

[samuel23]

Hi Magenta: This particular post is about the necessity of asking for forgiveness of daily sins or not needing to ask for forgiveness of sins except at salvation. So I related a story that was very well known a few years back about asking for forgiveness of sins. That is why.

 

[truthhurts]

For today, repentance is a Holy Spirit prompted Heart Condition and is ongoing.....The Parable of the Sower illustrates repentance perfectly.....

We do not hear about repentance as a heart condition or ongoing entire sanctification because the USA church is all about grace and benefits minded theologies.....This continual heart condition is not to obtain or maintain salvation in any way, shape or form...Repentance will bear fruit though...

I like to think of repentance as a point of no return with Jesus.....The world behind me, the cross before me, no turning back, no turning back.....

Repentance is partaking of the divine nature and as you walk out repentance you will enter into covenant relationship with Father....


Someone will reply that I am claiming works based salvation in 4...3...2...1

 

[samuel23]

Hi Ben: It is true that Jesus died to forgive all sins of all time, however most people die in their sins and go into Hades. The reason for that is simple, we have to ask for forgiveness of sins. Can I just ask once and that counts for the rest of my life? Of course not, such an idea is absurd. If that were true then the bible would stop after telling us to accept Christ as Savior because we would not need the rest. Most of the NT is about telling us to remain faithful to Christ and the consequences that follow if we do not. The man that took his fathers wife had to repent and be forgiven for the sin he committed. Jesus gave the woman Jezebel a time to repent and if she did not he was going to cast her into a bed of sickness.

 

[BenFTW]

Hi Magenta: This particular post is about the necessity of asking for forgiveness of daily sins or not needing to ask for forgiveness of sins except at salvation. So I related a story that was very well known a few years back about asking for forgiveness of sins. That is why.

It is a fear based ideology, and one that breeds condemnation in the heart. How is it that scripture tells us to come boldly before the Father based upon that our hearts do not condemn us, and then you share a story of condemnation? Doesn't scripture that that there is no condemnation in Jesus Christ?

Why then would you share a story of a person's supposed experience where God is condemning them to Hell for one sin, of not forgiving their wife? This doesn't exalt Christ, or bring glory to God, it actually attempts to supersede the atonement by emphasizing our own ability to forgive others in contrast to Jesus' sacrifice. No longer is salvation through Christ, but one's own ability to forgive others. Jesus isn't the savior, you yourself are. So long as you can forgive others.

Its ever so subtly self-righteous.

 

[samuel23]

Never said I agreed with the story, but maybe instead all this hocus pocus about how it has to be this way or that way, maybe what is really important is to simply obey God, forgive and we will be forgiven and if we do not forgive we will not be forgiven.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

What does the last paragraph in revelations say?

Paraphrasing but if any one should add or take away from this book i will take your name out of the book of life

18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.

Shouldn't this atleast entertain the idea there is one sin that can allow someones on decision to hurt there salvation?

There is only 1 way someone can have their name taken out of the book and thats for their name to be in the book first lol

 

[BenFTW]

Never said I agreed with the story, but maybe instead all this hocus pocus about how it has to be this way or that way, maybe what is really important is to simply obey God, forgive and we will be forgiven and if we do not forgive we will not be forgiven.

Odd, to share a story you don't agree with. What did you think it would add to the conversation?

 

[willybob]

There is a one time repentance wherein the vile sins of the flesh are eradicated and the willful rebellion against God ceases in a season of godly sorrow (2 Cor. 7-11), This is where the guile MUST BE REMOVED no matter how long that may take, and THEN after one is purged and cleansed by the blood they have become a vessel fit for the Masters use, (also known as Paul said; (ye HAVE Crucified the flesh) in repentance.Then we are to do as the apostle Peter says by adding to our faith virtue, knowledge, kindness, patience, temperance, and love etc. (2 Peter 1:5-7)>>> Hence forth growing in the wisdom and love of God moving on to perfection/maturity "telios, throughly furnished unto all good works 2 Tim. 3-13...after that a second repentance from the willful vile sins of the flesh is a very rare occurrence in the bible, whereas the book of Hebrews says its virtually impossible, but all things are possible with God, so I'm of the mind that as long as a person is still breathing its possible..Many have been brought into the kingdom through sorcerers words and sinners prayers having never really repented and come clean with God to begin with. So their is still hope of a clearing and purging in the baptism of repentance in a season of godly sorrow not to be repented of said Paul..

The day of atonement in the OT was for sins of ignorance, mistakes, human flaws, moments of doubt, moments of anger etc. etc. These are the trespasses that are forgiven in the Lords prayer...The apostle John, in his epistles, if examined closely categorizes the two types of sin...Those engaging in the willful vile sins unto death are not even to be prayed for said John..Why? Because prayer wont help them; but rather repentance is the cure..Thus, we are to pray for their repentance that they might be reconciled to God's favour through a season of godly sorrow.

 

[samuel23]

Hi Ben, You usually seem like a reasonable man but enough is enough, the post is about forgiveness of sins and this was a big story about forgiveness of sins. You can look this story up on the net yourself...I think the man was Pentecostal.

 

[preacher4truth]

IMHO true one time repentance results in a lifestyle of repentance for the believer -- 2 Corinthians 7:10.

 

[Grace777x70]

I know that ALL sin, including past and present, AND FUTURE has been forgiven, but for the life of me, I'm confused as to how FUTURE sin, which has NOT been committed yet, can be forgiven.

Mysterious are the ways of God.. lol

I have thought about this and in reality - there is no such thing as future sinning. All sinning is done in the present. All sinning done next year will be done in the present tense when you are doing it.

The forgiveness of sins is because of Christ's work on the cross. Forgiveness of sins because of Christ's finished work on the cross and resurrection is the gospel message. Acts 10 and Acts 31 show this perfectly where we have word-for-word accounts of the true gospel being preached by Peter and Paul.

So, if you throw out your orange tabby tomorrow for a brown dog - you will be doing that in the present tense. ( Christ's blood has cleansed you for all present sin because you are in Him but there are earthly consequences from the cat though )