In Rev 4:3 it states that the one on the throne looks like a jasper stone or a sardius. These are both deep red in colour. Is John stating that Yahweh is....red? Satan is usually depicted as red. Is it possible that Satan mocks the Almighty by injecting the belief that the Devil is red? Im just curious about your thoughts. I understand this flies in the face of accepted beliefs but if anyone else can explain what this means, I'm interested to hear it. Thanks.
Did we get a physical description of God in Revelations?
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In this first chapter, Ezekiel introduces us to God.
"one like unto the Son of man"
First A description of the spectacular vehicle that God rides in. (verses 5-10).
The creatures transporting God were cherubim, and they each have four faces
—one looks like a man;the others look like animals: an ox, a lion, an eagle.
The ordinaryangels apparently resemble men. But cherubim are not ordinary
angels—“every one had four faces.”
(verse 13). This must have been most impressive—living creatures
lit up like fire, and lightning coming out of the fire! -so awesome
Ezekiel saw this great, luminous vehicle with wings and revolving wheels
moving at lightning speed. It never had to turn; it would move instantly in
any direction, it looked like torches or lightning darting around.
The God of Exekiel
“And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when
they stood, and had let down theirwings. And above the firmament that was
over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire
stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was [the likeness as the appearance]
of a man above upon it” (verses 25-26). Sitting upon this vehicle is the God of
Ezekiel—the great God of Israel whom all the world will one day come to know.
This great God of Ezekiel 1, riding atop this awesome transportation system,
looks like a man. in Genesis 1, God created us in His own likeness and image.
That man is the only creature in the world that looks like God! That many
places in the bible he talks about His eyes and ears and hands and such.
“And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within
it, from the appearance of his loins evenupward, and from the appearance of his
loins even downward, Isaw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness
round about. As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain ,
so was the appearance of the brightnessround about. This was the appearance of
the likeness of the glory of the Lord. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I
heard a voice of one that spake” (Ezekiel 1:27-28). Compare this with Revelation 1.
This is what He looks like and how He travels. How many people know this God?
Ezekiel fell over in shock when he saw this vision. He could do nothing but prostrate
himself before this resplendent Being. And it was then that God spoke to him.
This is the God of the Bible. This is not little Lord Jesus in a manger, or Christ
riding on a donkey. This is the God of Ezekiel and Revelation and the whole Bible!
13And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed
with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
14His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were
as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace;
and his voice as the sound of many waters.
"one like unto the Son of man"
First A description of the spectacular vehicle that God rides in. (verses 5-10).
The creatures transporting God were cherubim, and they each have four faces
—one looks like a man;the others look like animals: an ox, a lion, an eagle.
The ordinaryangels apparently resemble men. But cherubim are not ordinary
angels—“every one had four faces.”
(verse 13). This must have been most impressive—living creatures
lit up like fire, and lightning coming out of the fire! -so awesome
Ezekiel saw this great, luminous vehicle with wings and revolving wheels
moving at lightning speed. It never had to turn; it would move instantly in
any direction, it looked like torches or lightning darting around.
The God of Exekiel
“And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when
they stood, and had let down theirwings. And above the firmament that was
over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire
stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was [the likeness as the appearance]
of a man above upon it” (verses 25-26). Sitting upon this vehicle is the God of
Ezekiel—the great God of Israel whom all the world will one day come to know.
This great God of Ezekiel 1, riding atop this awesome transportation system,
looks like a man. in Genesis 1, God created us in His own likeness and image.
That man is the only creature in the world that looks like God! That many
places in the bible he talks about His eyes and ears and hands and such.
“And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within
it, from the appearance of his loins evenupward, and from the appearance of his
loins even downward, Isaw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness
round about. As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain ,
so was the appearance of the brightnessround about. This was the appearance of
the likeness of the glory of the Lord. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I
heard a voice of one that spake” (Ezekiel 1:27-28). Compare this with Revelation 1.
This is what He looks like and how He travels. How many people know this God?
Ezekiel fell over in shock when he saw this vision. He could do nothing but prostrate
himself before this resplendent Being. And it was then that God spoke to him.
This is the God of the Bible. This is not little Lord Jesus in a manger, or Christ
riding on a donkey. This is the God of Ezekiel and Revelation and the whole Bible!
13And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed
with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
14His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were
as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace;
and his voice as the sound of many waters.
One may compare the Four Living Creatures to the Four Forces of Nature...
Lion = Electromagnetism
Ox = Strong Force
Eagle = Gravity
Man = Weak Force
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_interaction
We call these Atoms today...
Lion = Electromagnetism
Ox = Strong Force
Eagle = Gravity
Man = Weak Force
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_interaction
We call these Atoms today...
The Book of Revelation contains a reference to the "Seat of Satan"... a clue...
Revelation 2:13
"I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth"
It is in Pergamos...
Revelation 2:12
"And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges"
Note that the "Sharp Sword with Two Edges" is a reference to DNA.
So why would Satan's seat be in Pergamos?
Because that's where the Temple of Asclepius is...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asclepius
The "Rod of Asclepius" is RNA... aka... Satan's Seat...
Revelation 2:13
"I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth"
It is in Pergamos...
Revelation 2:12
"And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges"
Note that the "Sharp Sword with Two Edges" is a reference to DNA.
So why would Satan's seat be in Pergamos?
Because that's where the Temple of Asclepius is...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asclepius
The "Rod of Asclepius" is RNA... aka... Satan's Seat...
This verse from the NIV is more your style...
Revelation 4:2 (NIV)
"At once I was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it"
See that?
"Someone" was sitting on it.
Who?
I guess we'll never know.
John obviously had no clue, even though John saw Jesus like a bazillion times... so I guess it wasn't Jesus or God or a Lamb since john wouldn't have said "someone".
Now you Locutus can come up with any person you want.
Perhaps it was Helel!
Revelation 4:2 (NIV)
"At once I was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it"
See that?
"Someone" was sitting on it.
Who?
I guess we'll never know.
John obviously had no clue, even though John saw Jesus like a bazillion times... so I guess it wasn't Jesus or God or a Lamb since john wouldn't have said "someone".
Now you Locutus can come up with any person you want.
Perhaps it was Helel!
The book of revelation is chock full of imagery..
Satan does not have a tail long enuff to draw down a third part of the stars of heaven.
1 John 3:1 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Satan does not have a tail long enuff to draw down a third part of the stars of heaven.
1 John 3:1 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
No.
I like to poke fun at the NIV every now and again.
Like this...
Daniel 3:25 (NIV)
"He said, "Look! I see four men walking around in the fire, unbound and unharmed, and the fourth looks like a son of the gods"
Welp... that wasn't Jesus because Jesus is THE Son of God (singular)... not "a son of the gods".
Oh well. I guess it musta been Dr. Ze-us that saved Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed–nego!
A Son of the Gods...
[video=youtube;M2E1m90YSpA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2E1m90YSpA[/video]
I like to poke fun at the NIV every now and again.
Like this...
Daniel 3:25 (NIV)
"He said, "Look! I see four men walking around in the fire, unbound and unharmed, and the fourth looks like a son of the gods"
Welp... that wasn't Jesus because Jesus is THE Son of God (singular)... not "a son of the gods".
Oh well. I guess it musta been Dr. Ze-us that saved Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed–nego!
A Son of the Gods...
[video=youtube;M2E1m90YSpA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2E1m90YSpA[/video]
Young's Literal:
Dan 3:25 He answered and hath said, 'Lo, I am seeing four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the appearance of the fourth is like to a son of the gods.'
Adam Clarke's commentary:
Verse 25
Is like the Son of God - A most improper translation. What notion could this idolatrous king have of the Lord Jesus Christ? for so the place is understood by thousands. אלהין בר bar elahin signifies a son of the gods, that is, a Divine person or angel; and so the king calls him in Daniel 3:28; : "God hath sent his Angel, and delivered his servants." And though even from this some still contend that it was the Angel of the covenant, yet the Babylonish king knew just as much of the one as he did of the other. No other ministration was necessary; a single angel from heaven was quite sufficient to answer this purpose, as that which stopped the mouths of the lions when Daniel was cast into their den.
Dan 3:25 He answered and hath said, 'Lo, I am seeing four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the appearance of the fourth is like to a son of the gods.'
Adam Clarke's commentary:
Verse 25
Is like the Son of God - A most improper translation. What notion could this idolatrous king have of the Lord Jesus Christ? for so the place is understood by thousands. אלהין בר bar elahin signifies a son of the gods, that is, a Divine person or angel; and so the king calls him in Daniel 3:28; : "God hath sent his Angel, and delivered his servants." And though even from this some still contend that it was the Angel of the covenant, yet the Babylonish king knew just as much of the one as he did of the other. No other ministration was necessary; a single angel from heaven was quite sufficient to answer this purpose, as that which stopped the mouths of the lions when Daniel was cast into their den.
It doesn't say on the throne. It states amidst the throne and the living creatures and the elders. Your hypothesis lacks explanation for the Lion of Judah taking the scroll from the One who sits on the throne. It references two persons. All of the responses have really helped, thanks. It would appear that everybody has made up their minds about what to believe and then interpret scripture to match their belief. I'm not excluding myself here. I have my own take on things that is a reflection of my understanding of things and then when I read scripture it all makes sense to me. I'm certain everybody does the same.