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The bold part doesn't make any sense.
No, David could not possibly believe as much about God as we do because he didn't know God iconically, but prophetically.
Christianity is essentially VISIBLE: it's God showing His face in the man Jesus Christ.
Since Jesus Christ commanded us to love our ennemies...
No, David could not possibly believe as much about God as we do because he didn't know God iconically, but prophetically.
Christianity is essentially VISIBLE: it's God showing His face in the man Jesus Christ.
Since Jesus Christ commanded us to love our ennemies...
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Talk about revenge, what about this little tale. Lol
2 Kings 2:23-24 NKJV
[23] Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up the road,
some youths came from the city and mocked him, and said to him, "Go up,
you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!" [24] So he turned around and looked
at them, and pronounced a curse on them in the name of the LORD. And two
female bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths.
Morale of the story, learn to like bald men!
2 Kings 2:23-24 NKJV
[23] Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up the road,
some youths came from the city and mocked him, and said to him, "Go up,
you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!" [24] So he turned around and looked
at them, and pronounced a curse on them in the name of the LORD. And two
female bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths.
Morale of the story, learn to like bald men!
(Serious now) That's one of those things I've had to learn to deal with in the Bible. They do violent well. And it's not always God's people doing the violence. Like in that case, no doubt God brought a couple of she-bears to avenge the bald man.
This might help understand better the account with the bears:
https://www.gotquestions.org/Elisha-baldhead.html
https://www.gotquestions.org/Elisha-baldhead.html
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The bold part doesn't make any sense.
No, David could not possibly believe as much about God as we do because he didn't know God iconically, but prophetically.
Christianity is essentially VISIBLE: it's God showing His face in the man Jesus Christ.
Since Jesus Christ commanded us to love our ennemies...
No, David could not possibly believe as much about God as we do because he didn't know God iconically, but prophetically.
Christianity is essentially VISIBLE: it's God showing His face in the man Jesus Christ.
Since Jesus Christ commanded us to love our ennemies...
Jesus out and out said he is I AM. I AM = I AM that I am = Jehovah.
Do you deny David knew Jehovah? Jehovah talked to him. Jehovah said he was a man after my own heart. Jehovah gave him the crown and kingdom to rule his people. Jehovah told him he would bring a savior and David trusted him. Do you really think the guy who sang Psalm 23 didn't know Jehovah?
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I want to address the bit about Absalom. David was very clear to tell Joab NOT to kill his son. He wanted him captured, but not killed. David's love for his erring boy is much like God's love for us. Even though Absalom had done a lot of evil things, and rebelled against his father, David wanted to have him back with him. When the courier came with good news, David immediately wanted to know if his boy was safe- that would have been good news to him.
II Samuel 18: 28-33 "And Ahimaaz called, and said unto the king, "All is well." And he fell down to the Earth upon his face before the king, and said, "Blessed be the Lord thy God, which hath delivered up the men that lifted up their hand against my lord the king." And the king said "Is the young man Absalom safe?" And Ahimaaz answered, "When Joab sent the king's servant, and me thy servant, I saw a great tumult, but I knew not what it was." And the king said unto him "Turn aside, and stand here." And he turned aside and stood still. And behold, Cushi came; and Cushi said, "Tidings, my lord the king: for the Lord hath avenged thee this day of all them that rose up against thee." And the king said unto Cushi "Is the young man Absalom safe?" And Cushi answered "The enemies of my lord the king, and all that rise against thee to do thee hurt, be as that young man is."
And the king was much moved, and went up to the chamber over the gate, and wept: and as he went, thus he said "O my son Absalom, my son, my son Absalom! Would God I had died for thee, O Absalom, my son, my son!"
I don't think David was much interested for getting vengeance for Absalom's betrayal. He would have rather died than have his precious son die. People ask why David was a man after God's heart. Here is one reason why. How many kings were ruthless when it came to power? Killing relatives willy nilly to retain the crown. David would have rather been defeated and died than to have his son die. Joab even upbraids him for "loving his enemies and hating his friends".
Long story short, I don't believe the imprecatory psalms are against Absalom.
II Samuel 18: 28-33 "And Ahimaaz called, and said unto the king, "All is well." And he fell down to the Earth upon his face before the king, and said, "Blessed be the Lord thy God, which hath delivered up the men that lifted up their hand against my lord the king." And the king said "Is the young man Absalom safe?" And Ahimaaz answered, "When Joab sent the king's servant, and me thy servant, I saw a great tumult, but I knew not what it was." And the king said unto him "Turn aside, and stand here." And he turned aside and stood still. And behold, Cushi came; and Cushi said, "Tidings, my lord the king: for the Lord hath avenged thee this day of all them that rose up against thee." And the king said unto Cushi "Is the young man Absalom safe?" And Cushi answered "The enemies of my lord the king, and all that rise against thee to do thee hurt, be as that young man is."
And the king was much moved, and went up to the chamber over the gate, and wept: and as he went, thus he said "O my son Absalom, my son, my son Absalom! Would God I had died for thee, O Absalom, my son, my son!"
I don't think David was much interested for getting vengeance for Absalom's betrayal. He would have rather died than have his precious son die. People ask why David was a man after God's heart. Here is one reason why. How many kings were ruthless when it came to power? Killing relatives willy nilly to retain the crown. David would have rather been defeated and died than to have his son die. Joab even upbraids him for "loving his enemies and hating his friends".
Long story short, I don't believe the imprecatory psalms are against Absalom.
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It is not useless. We just do not live by its laws and rules anymore.
When we read it, we need to know it was just a shadow, a care-taker of Israel till the Christ came.
You can read about it in the letter to Galatians and in Hebrews, for example
When we read it, we need to know it was just a shadow, a care-taker of Israel till the Christ came.
You can read about it in the letter to Galatians and in Hebrews, for example
Do you deny David knew Jehovah? Jehovah talked to him. Jehovah said he was a man after my own heart. Jehovah gave him the crown and kingdom to rule his people. Jehovah told him he would bring a savior and David trusted him. Do you really think the guy who sang Psalm 23 didn't know Jehovah?
Do you agree that there is a difference between believing in God and knowing him through visions and dreams on one hand, and eating at the same table with God, touching Him and look Him in the eyes, on the other hand???
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Is that what it sounded like with what I said? Oops. Didn't mean that to come out that way. (And now that I can put 2 and 2 together, I see where it did sound like that.
No, I don't think David was talking about his son in Psalm 109. I do, however, think "I've had a lot less people actively trying to kill me than David had."
Someone in my neighborhood keeps using my front "yard" (really just part of the sidewalk next to my steps, rather than the main sidewalk) as a dump site. Whenever they don't think the sanitation workers will pick up what they want to throw out, they dump it in my yard. In my sinful mind, I tend to think that person is "an enemy." No, in reality, that person is pretty much a jerk, not an enemy.
David had real enemies. People trying to kill him. (One was his son. One was a good friend.) He brings the connotation of enemy into focus better than my trifle concept of it. That's the only reason I brought up Absalom.
Sorry 'bout that. I put 1 and 5 together and called it 4.
No, I don't think David was talking about his son in Psalm 109. I do, however, think "I've had a lot less people actively trying to kill me than David had."
Someone in my neighborhood keeps using my front "yard" (really just part of the sidewalk next to my steps, rather than the main sidewalk) as a dump site. Whenever they don't think the sanitation workers will pick up what they want to throw out, they dump it in my yard. In my sinful mind, I tend to think that person is "an enemy." No, in reality, that person is pretty much a jerk, not an enemy.
David had real enemies. People trying to kill him. (One was his son. One was a good friend.) He brings the connotation of enemy into focus better than my trifle concept of it. That's the only reason I brought up Absalom.
Sorry 'bout that. I put 1 and 5 together and called it 4.
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David believed in God like Christians believe in God. Do you believe in God less because you weren't there in person with him yet? You just put David in the same boat as the disciples of Jesus' time on earth, as if that makes us less because we didn't get to see him physically here? (You lost me too.)
Take it seriously, but do not take it literally, but spiritually. Because there was a huge shift from material to spiritual reality when Christ came.
If you will take the OT literally and then read the NT literally, you will get many contradictions like "hate your enemy" in the OT vs "love your enemy" in the NT.
If you will take the OT literally and then read the NT literally, you will get many contradictions like "hate your enemy" in the OT vs "love your enemy" in the NT.
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Is that what it sounded like with what I said? Oops. Didn't mean that to come out that way. (And now that I can put 2 and 2 together, I see where it did sound like that.
No, I don't think David was talking about his son in Psalm 109. I do, however, think "I've had a lot less people actively trying to kill me than David had."
Someone in my neighborhood keeps using my front "yard" (really just part of the sidewalk next to my steps, rather than the main sidewalk) as a dump site. Whenever they don't think the sanitation workers will pick up what they want to throw out, they dump it in my yard. In my sinful mind, I tend to think that person is "an enemy." No, in reality, that person is pretty much a jerk, not an enemy.
David had real enemies. People trying to kill him. (One was his son. One was a good friend.) He brings the connotation of enemy into focus better than my trifle concept of it. That's the only reason I brought up Absalom.
Sorry 'bout that. I put 1 and 5 together and called it 4.
No, I don't think David was talking about his son in Psalm 109. I do, however, think "I've had a lot less people actively trying to kill me than David had."
Someone in my neighborhood keeps using my front "yard" (really just part of the sidewalk next to my steps, rather than the main sidewalk) as a dump site. Whenever they don't think the sanitation workers will pick up what they want to throw out, they dump it in my yard. In my sinful mind, I tend to think that person is "an enemy." No, in reality, that person is pretty much a jerk, not an enemy.
David had real enemies. People trying to kill him. (One was his son. One was a good friend.) He brings the connotation of enemy into focus better than my trifle concept of it. That's the only reason I brought up Absalom.
Sorry 'bout that. I put 1 and 5 together and called it 4.
Of course, you can tell him if he continues, you will alert the police. You can be like God and offer him mercy or justice. If the guy keeps on keeping on, that means he chooses justice instead of mercy and then alert the police with your video evidence.
It's an idea, anyway.
It's alright, I misinterpreted your post.
No...
I believe in God like Christians do, not like Jews do...
I'm not sure what you mean by "make us less".
All I'm saying is that there is a huge difference between 1. believing that Jesus is the Christ based on the confession of His disciples and 2. actually breathing the same air as Jesus Christ.
If you don't see the difference than ... you have a problem.
I believe in God like Christians do, not like Jews do...
I'm not sure what you mean by "make us less".
All I'm saying is that there is a huge difference between 1. believing that Jesus is the Christ based on the confession of His disciples and 2. actually breathing the same air as Jesus Christ.
If you don't see the difference than ... you have a problem.