Give us these kind of men
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Hey Angela!
You do what your led to do. Yeah, I know that's not an original quote from my mom, but I doubt she ever saw Bambi. I believe the principal remains however. Usually, speaking ill of someone else says more about us, than the person being spoken about.
There are thousands of false truths and gospels out there. Everything from Islam to a Christian that gives a mixed gospel message.
I don't think our job is to run around and try and stamp out every person, by name, that engages in a false gospel. Paul almost always spoke in the general when pointing out heresies, and then he would follow with love in giving the TRUE Gospel
Shouldn't that be what we do? After all, isn't it going to be the Holy Spirit that reaches people who hear the true Gospel? We just need to present the the Truth and pray. The LORD will deal with the heretic. He doesn't need us to do His light work.
Peace, Love and Grace to you!
You do what your led to do. Yeah, I know that's not an original quote from my mom, but I doubt she ever saw Bambi. I believe the principal remains however. Usually, speaking ill of someone else says more about us, than the person being spoken about.
There are thousands of false truths and gospels out there. Everything from Islam to a Christian that gives a mixed gospel message.
I don't think our job is to run around and try and stamp out every person, by name, that engages in a false gospel. Paul almost always spoke in the general when pointing out heresies, and then he would follow with love in giving the TRUE Gospel
Shouldn't that be what we do? After all, isn't it going to be the Holy Spirit that reaches people who hear the true Gospel? We just need to present the the Truth and pray. The LORD will deal with the heretic. He doesn't need us to do His light work.
Peace, Love and Grace to you!
I agree...speak the truth as we believe it to be in Christ and His light will dispel the darkness away. Leave the rest in the Lord's hands.
Leave the personal discipline and reproof for those in spiritual authority in the given assemblies as outlined by Paul. Let those who actually have this qualification do the correcting - "You who are spiritual, restore such a one in the spirit of meekness". Gal. 6:1
These personal attacks against those that view things differently can easily escalate into becoming a Westboro Baptist mindset. People are not rejecting God - they are rejecting the "god" that we are projecting to them by our behavior.
It's time for all of us to grow up as none of us know things as we ought to know them.
To keep the slander and malice down to a minimum. I do not believe in the so-called prosperity gospel as some preach it nor do I agree with everything any preacher or denomination preaches.
1 Peter 2:1-2 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore, putting aside all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation,
Leave the personal discipline and reproof for those in spiritual authority in the given assemblies as outlined by Paul. Let those who actually have this qualification do the correcting - "You who are spiritual, restore such a one in the spirit of meekness". Gal. 6:1
These personal attacks against those that view things differently can easily escalate into becoming a Westboro Baptist mindset. People are not rejecting God - they are rejecting the "god" that we are projecting to them by our behavior.
It's time for all of us to grow up as none of us know things as we ought to know them.
To keep the slander and malice down to a minimum. I do not believe in the so-called prosperity gospel as some preach it nor do I agree with everything any preacher or denomination preaches.
1 Peter 2:1-2 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore, putting aside all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation,
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God gives us the light work. He does the heavy lifting.
I believe God wants us to deal with heretics and hypocrites as they cross our path. We don't need to go out and hunt them. They tend to hunt us. That is why they are called wolves in sheep clothing.
Not a hidden jab, because though I don't like Stephen, I believe I read one post about 3 months ago that might have had the gospel message in it.
Since I don't stalk him, I would hope he does more than attack people, though rhats about all I have seen.
Might just be a sheep with scrapie...gonna let God take care of that one.
I believe God wants us to deal with heretics and hypocrites as they cross our path. We don't need to go out and hunt them. They tend to hunt us. That is why they are called wolves in sheep clothing.
Not a hidden jab, because though I don't like Stephen, I believe I read one post about 3 months ago that might have had the gospel message in it.
Since I don't stalk him, I would hope he does more than attack people, though rhats about all I have seen.
Might just be a sheep with scrapie...gonna let God take care of that one.
C
Hey dccontroversal, no offence taken. I agree with you that Islam is not of God and I hope and pray if I was put on a major TV station I would pronounce salvation the way it should be said.
If we look at 1 Corinthians 5:12-13 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church?
[SUP]13 [/SUP] But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES.
I know the chapter refers to immorality, but we can take these two verses and associate them with anything in life. Joel Osteen isn't part of my church and I believe we should allow God to do what He needs to do with him. As far as Islam, well God will judge that faith as well.
I have also seen an interview where Joel did say he believes the only way to heaven is through Jesus. I don't agree or like the way Joel preaches and I would say his theology and some of his statements are way off in left field some where.
I think a lot of people really focus in on Joel because he is wealthy and his name is always out there with him writing books and his church program every Sunday. That interview that was put up is many years old and it is just bringing up old garbage.
As far as the statement from his wife. Yeah I disagree with it as well. But if we are realistic, how many people go to church because they want to feel better? We are humans and many people come to church for selfish reasons. Yes, our main purpose should be the Lord, but that doesn't always happen.
If we look at 1 Corinthians 5:12-13 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church?
[SUP]13 [/SUP] But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES.
I know the chapter refers to immorality, but we can take these two verses and associate them with anything in life. Joel Osteen isn't part of my church and I believe we should allow God to do what He needs to do with him. As far as Islam, well God will judge that faith as well.
I have also seen an interview where Joel did say he believes the only way to heaven is through Jesus. I don't agree or like the way Joel preaches and I would say his theology and some of his statements are way off in left field some where.
I think a lot of people really focus in on Joel because he is wealthy and his name is always out there with him writing books and his church program every Sunday. That interview that was put up is many years old and it is just bringing up old garbage.
As far as the statement from his wife. Yeah I disagree with it as well. But if we are realistic, how many people go to church because they want to feel better? We are humans and many people come to church for selfish reasons. Yes, our main purpose should be the Lord, but that doesn't always happen.
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No, actually what I replied to at that moment was your form of nastiness, so including in this thread.
That's interesting. I have the same nastiness you have. How do you think I notice your form? It's my form.
And calling people who have had positive experiences with Osteen, "Osteen-ites" isn't nasty?
And the standard now is "for whomever preaches truth?" Who does that mean to you, since neither Lawson nor Osteen were preaching at all?
Which do I prefer -- someone who doesn't know the gospel at all or someone who gets his jollies out of being haughty? Third choice: C. None of the above.
Remember edify? To me that means encourage when encouragement is needed, discipline, when discipline is needed, extol, love, correct, and in all things humility.
You and I tend to attack, when that isn't needed. That's not a good thing.
The object is not to hunt heretics but to teach sound doctrine that every believer is equipped to recognize false teachers and heretics because they have a sound knowledge of bible doctrine.
Ro 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Ro 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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I don't know you yet. I take people at their word.
You said you were an independent thinker. So? Did you see what Osteen said, (as compared to what Lawson panned him as saying?) Was Osteen honest? Because the way I heard it he was cloaking God into univeralism. That's either dishonest or deceived. If Osteen is a "life coach," a motivational speaker, or head cheerleader, that's not a problem. As a "Christian pastor?" BIG problem.
This is intentional, you know. The anarchists, (because by now, they aren't liberals either), are truly on a massive scale trying to teach people anything goes by tearing apart the very fabric of what makes civilization civilized -- The Biblical God. (As compared to all the other versions of god they do accept easily.) And Osteen is either a pawn in that game, or a player. He's a pawn, if he is that deceived. A player if he isn't deceived at all. Either way, he is a tool used against God.
There is no third choice. Either we are for God or against him.
So, yes! I am heated. I am very much against toying with who God is. And Osteen is either toying or is one of many toys.
(And, nope. I've got no idea what you were talking about with sock puppets. If you need me to understand that, you'll have to use something else. Might be a regionalism. Might be something commonly said in this century, but I'm still back in the last century, so I'm not up on 21st century. lol)
You said you were an independent thinker. So? Did you see what Osteen said, (as compared to what Lawson panned him as saying?) Was Osteen honest? Because the way I heard it he was cloaking God into univeralism. That's either dishonest or deceived. If Osteen is a "life coach," a motivational speaker, or head cheerleader, that's not a problem. As a "Christian pastor?" BIG problem.
This is intentional, you know. The anarchists, (because by now, they aren't liberals either), are truly on a massive scale trying to teach people anything goes by tearing apart the very fabric of what makes civilization civilized -- The Biblical God. (As compared to all the other versions of god they do accept easily.) And Osteen is either a pawn in that game, or a player. He's a pawn, if he is that deceived. A player if he isn't deceived at all. Either way, he is a tool used against God.
There is no third choice. Either we are for God or against him.
So, yes! I am heated. I am very much against toying with who God is. And Osteen is either toying or is one of many toys.
(And, nope. I've got no idea what you were talking about with sock puppets. If you need me to understand that, you'll have to use something else. Might be a regionalism. Might be something commonly said in this century, but I'm still back in the last century, so I'm not up on 21st century. lol)
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I haven't knifed you. (With my temper, can't promise I never will, but haven't yet, and am trying not to.)
To me, this is about thin ice. Have fallen through a few times myself, so I'm warning people -- THIN ICE OVER THERE! WATCH OUT!
In this case, the name of the thin ice is Joel Osteen. That is very much the reason I'm on this thread.
To me, this is about thin ice. Have fallen through a few times myself, so I'm warning people -- THIN ICE OVER THERE! WATCH OUT!
In this case, the name of the thin ice is Joel Osteen. That is very much the reason I'm on this thread.