Why im not a calvinist (but want to be)
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No, sorry to dismiss your slight readily, but just because one calls another a "Calvinist" doesn't necessitate they "follow Calvin". Many came to the knowledge of the DoG by simply reading Scripture, not by reading Calvin - myself included. By the way, it is carnal to try to cause the schism you're attempting to draw ("You..." "...but I"). Read and obey 1 Corinthians 3:1ff?
Originally Posted by valiant
No you are wrong. A Calvinist is someone who follows Calvin. I do not follow Calvin. I do not even know in detail what he teaches. I believe in election because the Bible teaches it.
LOL you are touchy . I gave no slight. But a Calvinist is by definition a follower of Calvin.
read my note again. That is what I said. So you are not a Calvinist. Well done
LOL you are uppity. I was giving a simple explanation. How is that trying to cause schism? As I see it you are simply out to cause trouble where there was no trouble.
Perhaps YOU need to read 1 Cor 3.1 ff. ?
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Maybe Calvin became a Calvin over time
maybe he just came to understand that though we are called into HIS WORK, HE alone is the ONE who opens the eyes and the ears of the heart so that a man can both see and hear THE GOSPEL, so that THE GOSPEL will be received as it should be received (from GOD and not from men)
i believe that Christians might misjudge Calvin and those who hold to his understanding, thinking that, just as the poster mentioned, "chillax"...like the lazy servant who knows HIS MASTER's WORK and instead of casting the seeds, he hoards the seeds and does not go out
i don't believe that this is what Calvin was saying when he spoke of election. I don't think it stopped him from preaching the GOSPEL. At least, it shouldn't have
maybe he just came to understand that though we are called into HIS WORK, HE alone is the ONE who opens the eyes and the ears of the heart so that a man can both see and hear THE GOSPEL, so that THE GOSPEL will be received as it should be received (from GOD and not from men)
i believe that Christians might misjudge Calvin and those who hold to his understanding, thinking that, just as the poster mentioned, "chillax"...like the lazy servant who knows HIS MASTER's WORK and instead of casting the seeds, he hoards the seeds and does not go out
i don't believe that this is what Calvin was saying when he spoke of election. I don't think it stopped him from preaching the GOSPEL. At least, it shouldn't have
Actually, calvinism is just a name for the branch of protestantism.
In history, the same teaching was taught by Luther, in pre-reformation era by John Huss or in the 3rd century by st. Augustin and then by order named after him.
Before Augustin it was taught by Paul, Peter etc.
So when you call yourself a "calvinist" it does not have to mean you admire John Calvin, the French reformer so much. It only represent some historical summary of this belief.
In history, the same teaching was taught by Luther, in pre-reformation era by John Huss or in the 3rd century by st. Augustin and then by order named after him.
Before Augustin it was taught by Paul, Peter etc.
So when you call yourself a "calvinist" it does not have to mean you admire John Calvin, the French reformer so much. It only represent some historical summary of this belief.
but it defines your teaching by what John Calvin taught whether you like it or not.
I prefer to be judged on the Scriptures.
I prefer to be judged on the Scriptures.
The funny thing is that Paul even uses the term " I am of Christ " too along with all the others that try to bring division amongst the believers because of some doctrinal position that is different.
1 Corinthians 1:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, "I am of Paul," and "I of Apollos," and "I of Cephas," and "I of Christ."
1 Corinthians 1:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, "I am of Paul," and "I of Apollos," and "I of Cephas," and "I of Christ."
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He had a high view of man's depravity and God's sovereignty, even over his conversion. Sadly, if Calvin knew that his name was used for a set of teachings it would have crushed him. I mean, he asked for his body to buried in an unmarked grave in fear that people would venerate him the way the Roman Catholics did to individuals.
This French Theologian simply announced the gospel and the things pertaining to it, including these things.
Besides, if you read his works, he quotes not only Scripture, but even men like Augustine, who taught these same things. Matter of fact, he quotes Augustine more than anyone outside the Scriptures.
This French Theologian simply announced the gospel and the things pertaining to it, including these things.
Besides, if you read his works, he quotes not only Scripture, but even men like Augustine, who taught these same things. Matter of fact, he quotes Augustine more than anyone outside the Scriptures.