Kenneth Hagin and the prosperity gospel

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Ariel82

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Still waiting for you to preach the gospel Stephen, instead of floating about how you got one of your enemies banned.

What is it you are focused on?

Inciting enough bad behavior to get folks banned?

Seems to be what you spend most of your time doing.
 
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sevenseas

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I agree with your posts because sometimes I have to ignore people.

My flesh wants to fight and call names and defend my righteous.

On my own I would be selfish and mean,but God tells me how I should be and only by his power is it possible.

If this was real life bible study or small group, I would have expected the leader of the group to correct their behavior or ask them to leave or have done so if I was leading.


However i am not leading, this is not a bible study or small group.

For me it's more like a coffee house or that place in Athens Paul preached at.

People present their beliefs and folks debate over it.

I just know if you don't display the fruits of the spirit and heavenly wisdom, why should people listen to your rebuke or judgement on spiritual matters?

nothing to disagree with here as far as my thoughts on the matter go

I wonder how many do actually spend time with God before they come on here? there are times I have not and I am definitely more inclined to be sarcastic or loose patience with some

you know, speaking of spending time with the Lord, some people seem to do that but receive nothing but negative messages that they think should be delivered to everyone with a 'thus saith the Lord'. I think some of those 'messages' were probably meant as correction from the Holy Spirit to themselves but they will not receive it

if you have ever been corrected by God, you KNOW it's God because He does not flatter you but at the same time, there is not condemnation, but an 'aha' moment and a desire to surrender whatever it is you have going on that is not right
 
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Ariel82

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Here is another example of the difference between the two aspects of making statments:

Someone can make the statement

" Riches are deceitful and can cause us to trust in them and not in God and it becomes idolatry when we do put riches in that place in our lives and thus in reality we are idolatrous. God is not against His children having things - He is against things having His children"

Here is the malicious, insulting abusive slanderous behavior in action:

This malicious and malice-filled slanderous poster replies to the above statement in brown and says to the poster -

"You are idolatrous and a lover of riches and a false teacher and you preach a false gospel."
And the response could be to simply say "I worship God alone, my riches are in Heaven where my heart resides"

Or I could tell you I disagree with the statement "riches are deceitful" what is wrong is what you consider "riches"

What the world calls riches are just trash and the only true treasure is spiritual wisdom from God.

Yet instead we will just see bickerin and self justification on both sides.
 
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Now you are just poking at her to see if she will growl or bite....do all boys do this or is it just annoying brothers?
I don't know why I have you on ignore, cause from time to time I still read your posts.

I must be a glutton for punishment, lol.

sevenseas succeeded in getting my attention. Well, that's about all she got. She ought to be glad I don't treat her the way she does me..... otherwise she might be crying in the corner.
 
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What is funny, is we are the people of faith, the light and salt in the world.

Not sure many would pass this muster. A simple principle is commenting only on posts
done in a thread, where all can inspect the post and see context etc.
And making wild statements about people outside these contributions is not good behaviour.

It people where in a commercial negotiations, and had to trust all parties, the behaviour shown
here would disqualify the negotiations. Now we want as individuals to walk in Gods will and
bring glory to His name, so is that our heart. I would hope, He looks favourably on my contributions
with integrity, truth and love.

Jesus said it like this
But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken.
Matt 12:36

I am still amazed how I can be told I do not know Christ because I cannot accept
future sin forgiven. Interestingly this question has been a theological one even
debated in the 1600's.
 
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Ariel82

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I don't know why I have you on ignore, cause from time to time I still read your posts.

I must be a glutton for punishment, lol.

sevenseas succeeded in getting my attention. Well, that's about all she got. She ought to be glad I don't treat her the way she does me..... otherwise she might be crying in the corner.
Lol cuz you love me, you just don't realize it yet.
 
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Nope...my thread, I get the blame.

Not too worried about it though, gonna lay it at the foot of the cross in prayer.
Amen, a brilliant response to such an intractable reality. It is at this place everything falls into
place.
 
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Ariel82

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You guys just wait, one of these days Stephen is gonna admit that I am the annoying little sister he never wanted.

Lol, it will be a glorious day.
 
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And the response could be to simply say "I worship God alone, my riches are in Heaven where my heart resides"

Or I could tell you I disagree.

What the world calls riches are just trash and the only true treasure is spiritual wisdom from God.

Yet instead we will just see bickerin and self justification on both sides.
I agree....I was showing the difference between the 2 statements and how one is publicly insulting another with malice, slander and insults.


When one has said these same things continually and they then continue to still be filled with malice and slander -- that is the time to avoid interacting with them and just speak what we believe and leave it there. Romans 16:17 comes into play.

This doesn't mean that we can't post in a thread that these people are in. Just don't interact with them so that we too don't enter into strife and bickering with them.

I was showing how malice, slander and insulting looks like in comparison to speaking out a general truth.

If people "identify" themselves and get offended with what is spoken in a general statement- that is between them and their Lord. He will be faithful to them.
 
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I am still amazed how I can be told I do not know Christ because I cannot accept
future sin forgiven. Interestingly this question has been a theological one even
debated in the 1600's.
I'm amazed that all of them can have their future sins forgiven, but you & I can't be currently forgiven & we're going to Hell.

If that's not conceitedness, arrogance, & pride I don't know what is.:rolleyes:
 
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I agree....I was showing the difference between the 2 statements and how one is publicly insulting another with malice, slander and insults.


When one has said these same things continually and they then continue to still be filled with malice and slander -- that is the time to avoid interacting with them and just speak what we believe and leave it there. Romans 16:17 comes into play.

This doesn't mean that we can't post in a thread that these people are in. Just don't interact with them so that we too don't enter into strife and bickering with them.

I was showing how malice, slander and insulting looks like in comparison to speaking out a general truth.

If people "identify" themselves and get offended with what is spoken in a general statement- that is between them and their Lord. He will be faithful to them.
I'm glad that's not me cause he still interacts with me. Whew! :p
 
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popeye

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Ooooooo.....touchy, aren't we?

you really like Hagin, don't you?

I see your post as evidence that I must be making some inroads here, otherwise you'd just ignore me like others say they do.
:)

No,you are here with nothing better to do than stalk and hate those in the body of Christ that are different than your mental legalistic nasty religion.

Anti Christ.
Anti Holy Spirit
 
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No,you are here with nothing better to do than stalk and hate those in the body of Christ that are different than your mental legalistic nasty religion.

Anti Christ.
Anti Holy Spirit
I see you're not careful how you speak, especially "antichrist" & "anti Holy Spirit", especially since you know about blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

I actually expected more than that outta you..... disappointing.
 
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popeye

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I taught in the bible study I Attend on Wednesdays.

Is is a meeting of businessman.

Only myself and 4 others are saved.

My goal is to inspire them and lead them into a closer intimate walk.

They are all mental,even the saved ones. Mainly Baptist.

I can teach them because when I go into my secret place during the week,I can relate that back to the guys on Wednesday.

What would be fruit of my purpose if I followed the spirit of this thread and became a hired gun to blast Baptists?

I love these guys. Their spiritual advancement weighs on me daily.

The fangs and hate of the charismatic haters are producing fruit. Nothing consumable. Just some nasty stinking goo.

There is no way any of you have a secret place,or intimacy with Jesus.

He does not hate his own body,nor does He direct us to do that.

Paul on the Damascus road is you example.
 
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I see you're not careful how you speak, especially "antichrist" & "anti Holy Spirit", especially since you know about blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

I actually expected more than that outta you..... disappointing.
Sadly I think people type on the internet what they think, when in public they
would never say such things.

People need to imagine they are standing up in the middle of church and reading this
all allowed. Would they be pleased with their words or shock everyone at such a
contribution. I think a lot would be shocked. It is because this environment seems
so private while being so public, unbelievably so. God help us when the Lord calls
us to account for these words...
 
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popeye

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I see you're not careful how you speak, especially "antichrist" & "anti Holy Spirit", especially since you know about blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

I actually expected more than that outta you..... disappointing.
Coming from a man that has never been in those meetings,but has become a self proclaimed expert,you need help sir.

You are so far off you even missed the barn.

I speak from experience,you speak off a YouTube video.

I know what spirit hates the body of Christ.
 
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Coming from a man that has never been in those meetings,but has become a self proclaimed expert,you need help sir.

You are so far off you even missed the barn.

I speak from experience,you speak off a YouTube video.

I know what spirit hates the body of Christ.
I must confess, you don't even sound like yourself today.

For the record, I don't hate charismatics, for I myself am a Pentecostal with 35 years in the ministry.

I don't even know where you're getting all this.
 

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So a false teacher is ANYONE teaching FALSE DOCTRINE.
In I Peter, the false teachers aren't genuine teachers of God's word. They are adulterous, money-motivated men on their way to damnation and leading others in the same direction.
 
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popeye

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Anytime there is revival or a mighty move of God,the attackers come. Believers attacking other believers .

R A Torry vehemently tore into the Asuza St revival. He was wrong. He wrote a Book on the Holy Spirit.

Go figure.

Men are fickle. They follow other men. They are easily moved to turn from the path. I see it over and over. I sit only under the very best. Oswald Chambers,TL Osborne,Smith Wigglesworth,Watchman Nee,RWSchambach,Chuck Missler,etc.

But,I check EVERYTHING against the word,and never,ever follow them,but get nuggets from them all.

I read the word,and get with Jesus and the Holy Spirit every single day. When I share and teach their jaws drop open,not because of me,but what gushes from my belly.

I am guaranteed the real deal,because I petition the throne RELENTLESSLY for what is mine,and that is his mighty mantle for a word and power for all those that depend on me as a minister and man of God.