The Tzniut, Wives and Head Coverings
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How am I given over to sensuality and sexual immorality if I am the one teaching against contraception, against masturbation, and against immodesty of unveiled wives? You are calling what is good evil (what I am teaching, which is scriptural and based on the perfect and holy Law of God), and what is evil good (your own way which is not based on the commands of God).
This is in the scriptures, also
NUMBERS 25:6 Just then one of the Israelite men brought a Midianite woman into the camp, right before the eyes of Moses and all the people, as they were weeping at the entrance of the Tabernacle.
NUMBERS 25:7 When Phinehas son of Eleazar and grandson of Aaron the priest saw this, he jumped up and left the assembly. Then he took a spear
NUMBERS 25:8 and rushed after the man into his tent. Phinehas thrust the spear all the way through the man's body and into the woman's stomach. So the plague against the Israelites was stopped,
NUMBERS 25:6 Just then one of the Israelite men brought a Midianite woman into the camp, right before the eyes of Moses and all the people, as they were weeping at the entrance of the Tabernacle.
NUMBERS 25:7 When Phinehas son of Eleazar and grandson of Aaron the priest saw this, he jumped up and left the assembly. Then he took a spear
NUMBERS 25:8 and rushed after the man into his tent. Phinehas thrust the spear all the way through the man's body and into the woman's stomach. So the plague against the Israelites was stopped,
Mr. Christig
Your real problem is that you haven't been born from above. Ask the Lord what this means...then you will be ok.
~Joh 3:2 He came to Jesus at night and told him, "Rabbi, we know that you have come from God as a teacher, because no one can perform these signs that you are doing unless God is with him."
Joh 3:3 Jesus replied to him, "Truly, I tell you with certainty, unless a person is born from above he cannot see the kingdom of God."
Joh 3:4 Nicodemus asked him, "How can a person be born when he is old? He can't go back into his mother's womb a second time and be born, can he?"
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, "Truly, I tell you with certainty, unless a person is born of water and Spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 What is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:7 Don't be astonished that I told you, 'All of you must be born from above.'
Joh 3:8 The wind blows where it wants to. You hear its sound, but you don't know where it comes from or where it is going. That's the way it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit."
Joh 3:9 Nicodemus asked him, "How can that be?"
Joh 3:10 Jesus answered him, "You're a teacher of Israel, and you can't understand this?
Joh 3:11 Truly, I tell you with certainty, we know what we're talking about, and we testify about what we've seen. Yet you people do not accept our testimony.
Joh 3:12 If I have told you people about earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you about heavenly things?
Joh 3:13 "No one has gone up to heaven except the one who came down from heaven, the Son of Man who is in heaven.
Joh 3:14 Just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
Joh 3:15 so that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.
Your real problem is that you haven't been born from above. Ask the Lord what this means...then you will be ok.
~Joh 3:2 He came to Jesus at night and told him, "Rabbi, we know that you have come from God as a teacher, because no one can perform these signs that you are doing unless God is with him."
Joh 3:3 Jesus replied to him, "Truly, I tell you with certainty, unless a person is born from above he cannot see the kingdom of God."
Joh 3:4 Nicodemus asked him, "How can a person be born when he is old? He can't go back into his mother's womb a second time and be born, can he?"
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, "Truly, I tell you with certainty, unless a person is born of water and Spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 What is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:7 Don't be astonished that I told you, 'All of you must be born from above.'
Joh 3:8 The wind blows where it wants to. You hear its sound, but you don't know where it comes from or where it is going. That's the way it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit."
Joh 3:9 Nicodemus asked him, "How can that be?"
Joh 3:10 Jesus answered him, "You're a teacher of Israel, and you can't understand this?
Joh 3:11 Truly, I tell you with certainty, we know what we're talking about, and we testify about what we've seen. Yet you people do not accept our testimony.
Joh 3:12 If I have told you people about earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you about heavenly things?
Joh 3:13 "No one has gone up to heaven except the one who came down from heaven, the Son of Man who is in heaven.
Joh 3:14 Just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
Joh 3:15 so that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.
I study the holy scriptures only and that is what I base everything I know out of and only what I quote. However, I am indeed knowledgeable in some Islamic teachings, especially concerning usury (reba) and interest, because their teachings concerning this closely align with old testament teachings on usury and interest, which western culture has completely discarded.
Hi Chris,
I guess too many topics in one post.
What I meant about asking it's true because you say so, I was referring to you saying that the covering is a command, even through we don't find it as a command in the OT.
I do acknowledge that 1 Corinthians 11 is confusing. Scholars are divided over the issue of head covering. I also am not positive about whether a woman should have a covering or not.
And then it seems like Paul was speaking about hair being the covering because he ends the whole conversation with this:
Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her? For her hair is given to her for a covering. But if one is inclined to be contentious, we have no other practice, nor have the churches of God.
So with him ending the conversation that way and knowing it's not a command from the OT, it leads me to believe that my hair is my covering.
I thought you might have some Islamic background too. We have had muslims in our home.
I wish you and my husband could meet. He is a Jew also, his father from Germany, his mother from Russia. Both familes comepletely jewish in the lines, no mix until they came to the USA. It's been passed down by word of mouth that they are of Levi.
But, he knows that all these things are of no consequence now. Israel is blessed above all nations for worshipping the Creator of all things. But, Yeshua, His Son had to come to the world as Messiah...not a King to rule this time, but as Saviour of all the world. The only way to save us is to put humanity and all these imperfections brought by the serpent, to death. And a new race started.
The race of all who believe the gospel, and receive it. The gospel is the power to change ones nature. It's the only way a person can change. We can't change ourselves or make ourselves holy in any way. To be like Him, we must be born of Him. He is Spirit, He is love, and our nature is of Him.
No laws needed to control a spiritual creation because we are like Him within.
I wish you and my husband could meet. He is a Jew also, his father from Germany, his mother from Russia. Both familes comepletely jewish in the lines, no mix until they came to the USA. It's been passed down by word of mouth that they are of Levi.
But, he knows that all these things are of no consequence now. Israel is blessed above all nations for worshipping the Creator of all things. But, Yeshua, His Son had to come to the world as Messiah...not a King to rule this time, but as Saviour of all the world. The only way to save us is to put humanity and all these imperfections brought by the serpent, to death. And a new race started.
The race of all who believe the gospel, and receive it. The gospel is the power to change ones nature. It's the only way a person can change. We can't change ourselves or make ourselves holy in any way. To be like Him, we must be born of Him. He is Spirit, He is love, and our nature is of Him.
No laws needed to control a spiritual creation because we are like Him within.
Kinda funny! You say the OT doesn't allow charging interest. Yet, in Europe, where charging interest was forbidden by the RCC for Christians, the Jews were the one who became the "money changers."
Further, your studying the Qur'an shows only one thing - that you have an agenda, a bad theology, and you will even use the completely and utterly demonic Qur'an to support your nonsense.
I think you would make a good Muslim! You do not believe that Christ saves, but works. You have some silly idea about women being covered by veils. Boy, those niqabs must make you drool! You seem to only believe the Torah, as the Muslims do. But you are not above using NT verses to support your deviant doctrines.
It would be great for you to live in Saudi Arabia, among the Wahhabi extremists. You would never have to encounter an unveiled woman (except for some stupid woman tourist, obviously sent by the devil to deceive you with her bewitching sexuality.) You could see that women can't drive, can't go out unless accompanied by a man, including a 10 year old son.
Forget misogyny! You bring a whole new meaning to the Hebrew Roots movement. God says no where to obey the feasts and festivals, but women are equal with men.
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus Gal. 3:28
Well, continue with your ravings, your totally wrong exegesis, and your very own personally created heresy. I admit, I am a bit miffed I wrote a long post, complete with Scriptures in context, and you did not reply!
But then again, if you did not reply because there was no counter defence for the truth of what I posted, I will take that as a compliment.
PS. My hair has grown quite long through benign neglect. Meaning I haven't thought about cutting it. I was thinking of keeping it long, but after your diatribe, I will cut it. I am not going to be associated with this kind of lunacy, that the OP keeps posting! Besides, summer is coming, too, and it will be hot here!
Further, your studying the Qur'an shows only one thing - that you have an agenda, a bad theology, and you will even use the completely and utterly demonic Qur'an to support your nonsense.
I think you would make a good Muslim! You do not believe that Christ saves, but works. You have some silly idea about women being covered by veils. Boy, those niqabs must make you drool! You seem to only believe the Torah, as the Muslims do. But you are not above using NT verses to support your deviant doctrines.
It would be great for you to live in Saudi Arabia, among the Wahhabi extremists. You would never have to encounter an unveiled woman (except for some stupid woman tourist, obviously sent by the devil to deceive you with her bewitching sexuality.) You could see that women can't drive, can't go out unless accompanied by a man, including a 10 year old son.
Forget misogyny! You bring a whole new meaning to the Hebrew Roots movement. God says no where to obey the feasts and festivals, but women are equal with men.
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus Gal. 3:28
Well, continue with your ravings, your totally wrong exegesis, and your very own personally created heresy. I admit, I am a bit miffed I wrote a long post, complete with Scriptures in context, and you did not reply!
But then again, if you did not reply because there was no counter defence for the truth of what I posted, I will take that as a compliment.
PS. My hair has grown quite long through benign neglect. Meaning I haven't thought about cutting it. I was thinking of keeping it long, but after your diatribe, I will cut it. I am not going to be associated with this kind of lunacy, that the OP keeps posting! Besides, summer is coming, too, and it will be hot here!
You've now crossed the line into falsehood and thereby broken the ninth commandment. Off to repentance with you, and don't forget your goat for the sin sacrifice. Oh, wait... that's not adequate; the wages of sin is death, and the blood of bulls and goats can never wash away sin!
Dude, you are way off base, and you have made a beginner's logical error. Not only is your interpretational model deeply flawed, but, unsurprisingly, you are unable to defend your position without attacking your opponent personally.
Dude, you are way off base, and you have made a beginner's logical error. Not only is your interpretational model deeply flawed, but, unsurprisingly, you are unable to defend your position without attacking your opponent personally.
Why do you look to Islamic teachings on interest ? When Jewish law already covers it ? The Talmud in particular the Mishnah covers it well. I can't help to think that you are either ignorant of those laws . Or is it that they don't line up with how you think it should be ? Those laws are very comprehensive forbidding interest , dividends or investment with greater returns than originally invested . What is it you don't want to give up your retirement account. Yes forbidden too .
Cherry picking your way through scripture and religious writings. Not good , well enjoy the cleaning of the outside of your cup .
Bill
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Cherry picking your way through scripture and religious writings. Not good , well enjoy the cleaning of the outside of your cup .
Bill
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