Not By Works

[PeterJens]

Children can not comprehend the law and therefore sin is not held to account and they are alive apart from the law. Proving everyone is chosen to be saved from birth.
Nowhere in scripture does it say God adds a name to the book of life but only can take away a name.

Paul argues that children of believers are made Holy through the believing parent.
He is arguing in a sense a child who dies will go to be with Jesus because of the parent.
With child mortality being 6 children 2 survive, this was an obvious question raised by
believers. You can see how this became child baptism etc.

In faith the idea of eternal torture for a child of two years old is absurd.
If they have tasted life for such a short time, yet deserve an eternity of punishment,
appears unjust. On the other hand the destruction of that which is rebellious
and disfunctional makes perfect sense.

What I do know is what I see in my life is not understanding but observation of
what happens. So grief is like a wave that takes away part of you. You are
disabled and lost, yet you do not choose it, it is very, very real.
So on the day of judgement those who claim so much will discover what they
truly are, and there is no remedy.

If you see people speeding on motor bikes, they know they could
meet a stationary object, but the temptation to go too fast is there, splat.
Jesus calls to all, yet only the elect turn to the invitation.

 

[blue_ladybug]

And God said,

Believe in blue ladybugs, and thou shalt be saved.

 

[PeterJens]

Election

I was born into an emotionally repressed disfunctional family, though loving
they were strangers to each other.

When Christ draws you out of this, builds you and remakes you, takes you
through stunning changes and insights, you begin to ask, what did I do?

A small choice, a listening, a going after something in my heart, a foundation
in strength and truth that spoke to my soul. It is hard to say we are but
lost souls adrift that God reached out to and pulled us home.

But also we responded and believed Christs words, and rested our hope in Him.
This is like falling in love, an interplay, both having a part to create a new whole.

 

[dcontroversal]

And what is Faith dccontroversal? Faith is the substance of the unseen and evidence of what is yet to come. Can you explain faith from scripture? It's not magic or belief. It's not heresy to say faith is what Messiah Yeshua did and the way he walks. To say faith is just to believe is warping scripture to fit our needs and not what God wants of us which is obedience. Don't you see the Father honestly desires us to worship him in spirit and Truth. His word says the law is of the spirit for us in Messiah and His whole word is truth. Your negating the law of the spirit by continued rebellion against the word of YHWH Elohim and as such you are making Messiah to be a lier as well. Taking something by faith is just taking God's word for it...

His name is JESUS and he had no problem with that designation....and I am warping nothing pal....faith = belief...no matter how many times you interject yourself into a working for salvation it will not change the way one is biblically born again....

it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE<-----you should try this instead of conflating like three or four applications of the word....serious

Do you keep the law 100% of the time, 24/7/365.....NO....your adherence to the law and working for pseudo salvation is equated to fools and being bewitched.....see Galatians 1 and 3....

Paul was inspired....you on the other hand...not so much!

 

[dcontroversal]

im not trying to steer anyone off topic but in context what does Jesus mean by raise him up on the last day?

The resurrection/change takes place on the last day.....when the 7th angel begins to sound (7th trump) TIME shall be no more....I.E> the last day

Paul said, "At the LAST trump the dead in Christ shall rise and we which are alive and remain will be changed."

 

[dcontroversal]

By your belief i look at my 2 children and say its poinless to try and raise them up in God if one or both is not chosen or if one or both is chosen then they will by force come to know God and I can rest easy and not try to teach them about God.

Raise up a child in the way they should go, and when they are old they will not depart from it.

 

[dcontroversal]

I've been called everything on here. Demon-possessed, crazy, nuts, loony, idiot, fool, a heretic, pagan, etc.. lol

You can deal with these names, but what if someone called you....

YELLOW LADYBUG

of STINK BUG

HAHAHAAHAH ducks the incoming knives, lead, bat swing, hand grenades and face palms HAHAHHAHHAH

 

[Ariel82]

And God said,

Believe in blue ladybugs, and thou shalt be saved.

Throws cake!!!!

Blasphemy!! And Idolatry!

 

[dcontroversal]

Throws cake!!!!

Blasphemy!! And Idolatry!

Maybe she means to believe on Blue Ladybugs and thou shalt be saved....from being capped in an alley behind the corner bar? HAHAHHAHAHh

 

[Ariel82]

Maybe she means to believe on Blue Ladybugs and thou shalt be saved....from being capped in an alley behind the corner bar? HAHAHHAHAHh

Maybe she means be saved from yellow bugs and stink bugs?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

He still jumps in.

But me thinks a genuine believer would never come to that point anyway.

a genuine believer will always know they need God because even when they wander off the path will seek God and ask "Help me, I need you"

He leaves the flock for the one lost sheep. His sheep KNOW HIS VOICE and they willingly walk after him. We may wonder off. But we can not hide from God, He comes after us, and we follow him..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What about her?

I responded to you quot about the drunk driver with the question you asked.

I said extreme and that God can still step in and gave my experience.

You did not say about the widow being a believer.

So let's assume she is

I ask you what about her?
What does it mean to fall from grace?
What is grace?
What does grace mean to you?

He never answered where you would be after you got killed.

 

[BillG]

He leaves the flock for the one lost sheep. His sheep KNOW HIS VOICE and they willingly walk after him. We may wonder off. But we can not hide from God, He comes after us, and we follow him..

Amen, funny how some choose to ignore that.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I didn't bicker, fight or argue with anyone on this thread today.

*pats self on back for my sinless perfectionism*



LOL

You pharisee you! No cake for you!!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am innocent of all sin, whether real, imagined, or perceived. All people who love orange kitties are innocent. Pottersclay said so...

Your blueness is turning to black pretty quick missy!!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

All of us can be guilty of confirmation bias at some point or another, but in most cases it comes from those who are still spiritually immature. Many will not post on particular subjects that they do not feel confident about adequately defending, while others will jump into the fray without having a clue what they are talking about and are incapable of coherently refuting the opposition.

Opinions are one thing, but again, truth is not a subjective thing when dealing with the Christian worldview. Scripture clearly defines and reveals objective truths of God that cannot be disputed. I understand that there are peripheral subjects that we can agree to disagree on, but then there are other "core" truths that are undeniable and must be defended. This thread is in defense of one of those indisputable truths.

We have to look at scripture as a whole and not a little verse here, a little verse there, just because it looks nice and confirms our presuppositions. We can very easily make scripture contradict itself this way and abuse it. We have to look at the whole picture. Most who want to jump on here and make claims haven't even read through the entire bible once, or at lest the New Testament for that matter. I was guilty of it when I first came here. In fact I wasn't even saved yet when I started here, but felt I knew enough to make claims. Wow, was that an embarrassing and shameful experience.

You yourself have made some pretty bizarre claims but in the light of legitimate opposition resort to "well we all have different opinions" and in several posts imply that some of us only believe what we believe because some man said it, while refusing to address scripture that backs up legitimate opposing views.

What's funny is seeing the people who accuse others of hanging on the words of men as their source of truth, quickly run to websites of people who confirm their own presuppositions and use their material as their defense. If someone doesn't understand the subject being discussed enough to defend their own point of view, it might be a good idea to remain quiet and learn from those who can.

And for the record, I don't identify as a Calvinist for this very reason and prefer the words Monergist or Reformed.

I love it when people go to an "anti-"insert name of doctrine or person" Website to get information to try to prove people wrong about whatever it is they are arguing about. And not the people themselves.

If you want to prove me wrong, Show me in my words, Not on a web page with is biased from people who are against me..lol

I prefer to just be called a christian, Not baptist, Calvanist Arminian or whatever label people want to use. That way people do not make judgments based on what they think that group believes.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I have 9 cats....three of them Orange.....so I can walk on water by your definition...almost cough cough AHAHHA

ok you two. Boasting of all your cats.. Boast in Christ!! REPENT!!!!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And what is Faith dccontroversal? Faith is the substance of the unseen and evidence of what is yet to come. Can you explain faith from scripture? It's not magic or belief. It's not heresy to say faith is what Messiah Yeshua did and the way he walks. To say faith is just to believe is warping scripture to fit our needs and not what God wants of us which is obedience. Don't you see the Father honestly desires us to worship him in spirit and Truth. His word says the law is of the spirit for us in Messiah and His whole word is truth. Your negating the law of the spirit by continued rebellion against the word of YHWH Elohim and as such you are making Messiah to be a lier as well. Taking something by faith is just taking God's word for it...

Faith - Greek pistis - Assurance. Confidence, Trust, Faith, Faithfulness,

What it is not.. Mental ascent.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Pre election, predestination... God in His foreknowledge gave good works for all that believed in Messiah to do. Again it is whether we are obedient or not and that's fine with me. God knows His own and his people know him because they love according to the way.

WHat?

No, God in foreknowledge made us children of God, and predestined us to be conformed to his image.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If God pre elected then non should be accountable to sin because God has already chosen the saved so the damned can live it up i suppose. Or better yet how do you know if your elected?

If God predestined everything then God created sin. Sin and evil is the proof of free will.

this is why fatalism is dangerous.. It puts God in a bad light.