Female pastors, ok or not?

[JaimeMartinez26]

im not able to look at a woman as a spiritual teacher
because what MY bible says and i trust it

but i dont consider any men ive watched videos on or preachers in the churches i have attended my teachers

but in fellowship i really appreciate a womans opinion

and theres an admiration that comes from a woman who knows her bible

since i know of none younger than my grandma in person

 

[JaimeMartinez26]

now if a woman has information and wants to share it
and is blunt and direct instead of meek and silent

sure i notice
and i take note
but its not like my presentations are perfect so id be a hypocrit to not at least listen and converse


unless im missing something and it says somewhere


do not let a women even speak to you about scripture

 

[Grace777x70]

I totally agree with Angela's and others understanding of women in leadership positions including being a pastor in the body of Christ.

I believe there is a progressive revelation of the heart and nature of God and that the Lord used cultural situations at the time things were written. The slavery analogy is applicable here.

I realize there are others that disagree with her and others beliefs in this subject and they are entitled to have that opinion. We do have different interpretations on some subjects amongst us as we are all learning to rely on the Holy Spirit to reveal Christ and the things of God to all of us.

Here is a prime example of how do we now treat those that have a difference of opinion on a subject. Is it ok and right now for those that disagree with Angela and others to call them "heretics"? Are they in dis-obedience because they are not "obeying God's word"? Should we "expose" their error and heresy to the world now?

Do they not have "itching ears" and will not endure "sound doctrine" ( of course all sound doctrine is what "I and my group" believes )? Are they not a sign of the end time apostasy?

Should we publicly insult these women pastors and call them names? Should we have threads made up to show their "heresy" and publicly de-mean them in our malice and slander?

The extreme ones amongst us will put up websites dedicated to their "heresies" and put devil horns on their heads and put a wolf's face in a sheep skin to "show" everyone who they really are.

I for one and I know there are many others that will publicly stand against the behavior of any so-called brethren that insults, de-means and publicly attacks with malice and slander Angela or any other woman pastor because of their belief and opinion on women pastors.

If that makes us "lovers of sin" and a "hater of God's word" and "heretics" in the eyes of some - then so be it.

Another interesting thing here - we have 2 people that have done intermediate Greek studies and they are on opposite sides of this subject. Selah.

 

[dcontroversal]

I see the word "exercise authority" has now been broken down to "to domineer" OK....

what about

I do not permit a woman to teach or<----OR is not AND.....so...grammatically speaking does not the 1st statement stand alone?

Why did JESUS

a. Not have a woman write a book of the bible
b. Pick a woman Apostle

Is there an example of a WOMAN bishop in the N.T.?

 

[John146]

I totally agree with Angela's and others understanding of women in leadership positions including being a pastor in the body of Christ.

I believe there is a progressive revelation of the heart and nature of God and that the Lord used cultural situations at the time things were written. The slavery analogy is applicable here.

Brother, you know that's a dangerous thought. With this thought, one could make Scripture fit the desires of the day instead of sticking with, "What saith the Scriptures." I'm not at all wanting to put down women, but God has given structure and order in the church. Women can and have played huge roles within the church body as servants to the body and teachers to the younger women. Culture never dictates the word of God. The word of God should dictate the culture starting with the church.

 

[dcontroversal]

Brother, you know that's a dangerous thought. With this thought, one could make Scripture fit the desires of the day instead of sticking with, "What saith the Scriptures." I'm not at all wanting to put down women, but God has given structure and order in the church. Women can and have played huge roles within the church body as servants to the body and teachers to the younger women. Culture never dictates the word of God. The word of God should dictate the culture starting with the church.

Yeah, I don't buy progressive Revelation as far as adding new things or new concepts.....the Bible was given, written and finished when John penned Revelation.....the faith (system of teaching) has been delivered once and we have all we need when it comes to the word of GOD.....

Do we have an example of...

a. A woman penning a book of the bible
b. A woman Bishop in the N.T.
c. A woman Apostle

if not, why not........just questions

 

[CeileDe]

Unless they are pastoring an all female convent?

I wouldn't go that far. There are plenty of women teachers and this includes my aunt. She will only teach other women. Now I consider my Aunt my mentor, she has taught me a ton on scripture but she is firm that the bible teaches men are in authority over women and women should not be pastors.

I believe this is a topic that will never get settles, at least not until we get to heaven and even then we aren't going to care what we thought about certain scripture because our focus is going to be on God.

 

[preacher4truth]

Brother, you know that's a dangerous thought. With this thought, one could make Scripture fit the desires of the day instead of sticking with, "What saith the Scriptures." I'm not at all wanting to put down women, but God has given structure and order in the church. Women can and have played huge roles within the church body as servants to the body and teachers to the younger women. Culture never dictates the word of God. The word of God should dictate the culture starting with the church.

You are correct sir.


That's exactly the problem, this finding something new, discovering a "truth" no one else saw in orthodoxy and/or progressive revelation.

Nothing against Angela here (but definitely against her teaching) but will state the facts: Her discovery of something new has lent credibility to those of WoF heresies, those "receiving" new revelation, those who fabricate and say "The LORD spoke to me, personally and said..." because they can now use her words (being she is conservative and sound on other doctrines) of new progressive revelation and apply it to their errors as well. There is now no ground to stand on in order to rebuke other "new discoveries" of other camps.

A bad precedent has been set and that is a fact.

This show's how dangerous it is to depart from orthodoxy and frankly sound doctrine. We must all consider repercussions of this and other actions that deviate from the truths of Scripture. Scripture is clear, God has decreed males as pastors only, but now we have the snowball effect.

 

[Grace777x70]

Brother, you know that's a dangerous thought. With this thought, one could make Scripture fit the desires of the day instead of sticking with, "What saith the Scriptures." I'm not at all wanting to put down women, but God has given structure and order in the church. Women can and have played huge roles within the church body as servants to the body and teachers to the younger women. Culture never dictates the word of God. The word of God should dictate the culture starting with the church.

I disagree with the notion that God doesn't use the cultural aspects in place at the time in dealing with some things and I agree that we shouldn't try to make the scriptures fit what society says is true also. Those are different things in my opinion.

Sometimes "what saith the scriptures" really means "What I and my group" is saying that it means and how we interpret it.

But we are entitled to our own opinions in dealing with some subjects. All is well....



This truth can be used here.

Romans 14:22 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.

 

[hornetguy]

The terms paster, bishop and presbyter are all descriptive terms that apply to those who hold the office of an elder. People commonly misuse the term pastor to refer to a preacher but the two functions are not synonymous. Although an elder can sometimes also be a preacher these represent two completely separate functions and the woman is not permitted to serve either function.

this is why I asked the question.... If we cannot agree on what a "pastor" is, then how can we discuss it? I agree with your understanding of the word..

Unfortunately, MANY people think a "pastor" is a preacher, who is the de facto "leader" of a church. Both of which are scripturally wrong.

I believe women have many roles as Christians.. "teacher" is one of them. I think women are allowed to teach in individual type settings, or even in a small group type of setting. We have scriptural examples of this, with Priscilla. Other women are mentioned as well.

I don't even have much of a problem with a woman addressing the assembly, if it is a specific topic she is a sort of "subject matter expert" in... which is a bit difficult to define, I suppose....

For example, in my younger years, we had a woman social worker speak in our assembly about adoption and ministering to un-married teen mothers. She was unquestionably the most qualified person in our area on that subject, and our eldership asked her to speak. She did so, but she insisted on wearing a hat as a head covering....

I do not, however, see any evidence that women were put in the role of elder (overseer, pastor, bishop, shepherd) I see scripture as being specific about that role being reserved for men.

I believe if there is a discussion going on in the assembly, then women should be able to participate just like the men do. I just don't see any scriptural evidence that points to a woman being the full time teacher/preacher of the assembly....


These are just my thoughts on the subject... I am certainly open to being convinced otherwise, scripturally.. I happen to still be learning, I hope.

 

[BeyondET]

who was the very first person to preach the good news of the resurrection, does anybody know?

 

[CeileDe]

this is why I asked the question.... If we cannot agree on what a "pastor" is, then how can we discuss it? I agree with your understanding of the word..

Unfortunately, MANY people think a "pastor" is a preacher, who is the de facto "leader" of a church. Both of which are scripturally wrong.

I believe women have many roles as Christians.. "teacher" is one of them. I think women are allowed to teach in individual type settings, or even in a small group type of setting. We have scriptural examples of this, with Priscilla. Other women are mentioned as well.

I don't even have much of a problem with a woman addressing the assembly, if it is a specific topic she is a sort of "subject matter expert" in... which is a bit difficult to define, I suppose....

For example, in my younger years, we had a woman social worker speak in our assembly about adoption and ministering to un-married teen mothers. She was unquestionably the most qualified person in our area on that subject, and our eldership asked her to speak. She did so, but she insisted on wearing a hat as a head covering....

I do not, however, see any evidence that women were put in the role of elder (overseer, pastor, bishop, shepherd) I see scripture as being specific about that role being reserved for men.

I believe if there is a discussion going on in the assembly, then women should be able to participate just like the men do. I just don't see any scriptural evidence that points to a woman being the full time teacher/preacher of the assembly....


These are just my thoughts on the subject... I am certainly open to being convinced otherwise, scripturally.. I happen to still be learning, I hope.

I agree with this 100%. You just said it better than I did haha

 

[CeileDe]

who was the very first person to preach the good news of the resurrection, does anybody know?

Does that mean she had authority? No, she just went and told people what she saw. I've seen pastors use this to prove women have authority over men and can be pastors over a church. I think those people are reading into things way to much.

 

[BeyondET]

Does that mean she had authority? No, she just went and told people what she saw. I've seen pastors use this to prove women have authority over men and can be pastors over a church. I think those people are reading into things way to much.

The chosen 12 disciples didn't believe Mary of Magdala either...

Jesus had chosen a woman to appear first too, why didn't Jesus first come to one of the 12 men disciples?? can you answer that question??

Jesus had many disciples, Jesus sent out over 70 disciples, do you know for a fact that all these people were men?

 

[hornetguy]

Brother, you know that's a dangerous thought. With this thought, one could make Scripture fit the desires of the day instead of sticking with, "What saith the Scriptures." I'm not at all wanting to put down women, but God has given structure and order in the church. Women can and have played huge roles within the church body as servants to the body and teachers to the younger women. Culture never dictates the word of God. The word of God should dictate the culture starting with the church.

Oh, my goodness... I agree with you...

 

[Grace777x70]

Oh, my goodness... I agree with you...

View attachment 169377

LOL..that was hilarious!..Thanks for the laugh.

Joy is a fruit of the kingdom on God that is within us.

 

[CeileDe]

The chosen 12 disciples didn't believe Mary of Magdala either...

Jesus had chosen a woman to appear first too, why didn't Jesus first come to one of the 12 men disciples?? can you answer that question??

Jesus had many disciples, Jesus sent out over 70 disciples, do you know for a fact that all these people were men?

It doesn't specifically say so you can't give me a reason either way. So, one of us is just assuming there is a reason why Jesus shown himself to Mary. Now if there is a place in the bible that specifically states why He appeared to Mary first I would like to see it. We do know why the women went to the tomb; because they were going to anoint His body. So the only facts we have is Mary went to anoint the body, Jesus appears to Mary, Mary tells the disciples. This in no way says that Mary had authority over the disciples or over a man.

Jesus had 12 disciples and other followers. Why when Jesus died did the 11 disciples recruit one more? They didn't recruit 59 more.

 

[notuptome]

who was the very first person to preach the good news of the resurrection, does anybody know?

The chosen 12 disciples didn't believe Mary of Magdala either...

Jesus had chosen a woman to appear first too, why didn't Jesus first come to one of the 12 men disciples?? can you answer that question??

Jesus had many disciples, Jesus sent out over 70 disciples, do you know for a fact that all these people were men?

Hate to rain on your parade but Judaism was very male dominate. God structured the family with the man as the leader especially in Spiritual matters. The simple fact of the matter is that men would not listen to women in public discourse.

Today we have a more relaxed society and women enjoy greater liberties but biblically women are not to pastor churches. I trust that God knows something that I do not. Women by nature are much more accommodating then men. Women are under the same admonition from Christ to be witnesses of Gods saving grace but they are not to pastor a church. I do not know of a pastor that does not consider his wife to be a tremendous asset to his ministry but the wife does not endeavor to usurp her husbands authority.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[dcontroversal]

It doesn't specifically say so you can't give me a reason either way. So, one of us is just assuming there is a reason why Jesus shown himself to Mary. Now if there is a place in the bible that specifically states why He appeared to Mary first I would like to see it. We do know why the women went to the tomb; because they were going to anoint His body. So the only facts we have is Mary went to anoint the body, Jesus appears to Mary, Mary tells the disciples. This in no way says that Mary had authority over the disciples or over a man.

Bingo....nor was this in an assembly capacity worship or setting........

 

[hornetguy]

Notice Peter is not in charge, the matter was before the apostle and elders with James making the call.
This thread should not be "Female pastor's, ok or not?

It should be pastors right or wrong? What I've notice when going to a Church where there ism a head pastor, he's always the pope of that fellowship. Sure the people don't see it, but the other pastors, elders and deacons do. The Church with it's movement of not talking about sin and the rest. Have not removed themselves from the RCC doctrine of a superstar pastor that is the final authority. Paul never give instruction on what a pastor should be or instruction on selecting one.

YES... this is called "hitting the nail squarely on the head"....