Why do you hate Muslims? (Yes, I'm aware this only applies to some people on here.)

[Yeraza_Bats]

Also, only talking about the Gospel to them and nothing else is problematic. For anyone that doesnt know what Islam is, it is literally a doctrine that denounces Christianity. It exists to teach people that Jesus was not the Son of God-

Quran 5:75 "Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers who passed away before him"


Quran 4:171 "O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs."


And that Jesus DID NOT die on the cross for our sins-

Quran 4:157-158 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise

So just sharing the Gospel with any Muslim who knows what Islam teaches will be difficult.


They know what the Gospel teaches. Theyve been taught to not believe in it.

You should absolutely know how to debate with a Muslim, and help them see that Muhammad was NOT a prophet of God.

 

[slave]

We might find ourselves surprised at our lack of open and welcoming honesty if someone asked us to provide shelter in our homes for a persecuted Child Molester. The "qualifications" we would immediately put on our answer (before working seriously to find some way to permanently get out of such a thing) just might shame us a little.

God doesn't work with me on the basis of anything short of full honesty. His honesty teaches mine a thing or two called revelations, and mine teaches me what more I need to listen to God about, or proves I am listening. Amen!....

The honesty of the wickedness of my flesh as well as the honesty of His grace in me.I know He can put within me a spirit that can love our enemies. How? Because I love my enemies, and I pray for them not just as I am confronted with them; in other words, to survive them, but when I am alone with God behind closed doors I am genuinely given to them in heart, thus in turn to actions..

God's revelations need to come two-fold in us:

One, and firstly so, in the premise of our wickedness and not in mans inherent worth, which is not honestly true; and two, in His perfect love able to reach me in a transformative change if I remain in Christ and live Him out in my life.

No, I certainly don't house my entire city of Child Molesters, but I would be willing to if God so asked. And I have perfect peace in saying so, and perfect peace in doing so, regardless of the real and actual cost of that to me. The wonderful thing about God is He doesn't take His love of mankind to the extents of mans tests of God, He simply gives both His grace to the one served and gives grace to the one who He asks to serve as He sees fit at the time. He is after all Supernatural right? I have already given testimony in some of my Blogs of how when God was maturing me He had me go as I walked some 12 mile walks in the city and gave me opportunity to offer dinner with homeless men; namely David, and Steve. and developed a report with them befriending them as I raised my Jesus flag, simply loving them, for I have experienced need, as well, in my life.

I am in perfect peace to give to anyone God would ask me to love. Yet, amazingly enough I hate the sin no less, in fact, even more so.

So do you ask yourself, "Am I able to love that Molester?", and "Do I absolutely hate that sin?" These are the gifts God gives you in Jesus. Both His unconditional Agape love, and properly aligned hate of things God hates, and not in what we hate. You see sin doesn't have a "Molester" tag on it, it only has a "Death" tag on it.

Its not just about the belt of honesty its about the belt of truth. And He is the truth, and the way, and the life.

 

[slave]

if you understood what the muslim religion taught you need to be careful

theres a different between culture differences and a belief that tells you to murder man and women who dont obey a false God


i have no problems with the middle east
no problems with russians

no problems with any arabic person


but muslims need to be watched and you gotta be weary around a people that would feel justifed beheading children and worshipping a pedofile

The goodness of God doesn't expect us as mankind to widdle down the evil-doers, and the bad-doers - to apply His grace in us to them. It only requires us to listen to God's perspective on all of mankinds condition, before the grace of God in Jesus Christ. And that we, including you and I, see ourselves and them as so terminally evil, there was no hope to fix us, or therm.. So, you can add to that list not just subtract and limit it. "For all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God." (Romans 3:23).

I do see the point that if some were to visit my house with certain intentions I would protect myself with Gods protections, but let's not let one evil, based on depravity in actions, defeat our position in Christ, causing to leave His post of protection to seek our own.

I am appalled, as you are of the depravity of those Eastern beliefs, but it will get worse in history, so we need to tuck up under God's views and protection all the more over our own - right?!

 

[slave]

Ideology.

Islam is not a people. It is the teachings of Muhammad.

Well then its not a problem. Teachings can't hurt anyone until it is adopted by people. Remember the child phrase: "Sticks and stones can break my bones but words can never hurt me?" Well, truth be told, words not only can hurt, in and of themselves, but they can move people, we as Christians were called to faith thru hearing the Word as well. satan can deploy people as well. So, eventually you need to confront your own beliefs not just on the doctrine but on the people that are moved by them. We can't judge those people based on the argument we are simply judging their doctrine alone, because then you and I would be right to judge it for it is sinful. But there are also people involved here as well. And as such, we need to guard our hearts and minds so that we do not sin against Thee.

 

[slave]

Excuse me.
But you call what Muslim terrrorists do "sin"???

They're, in essense, worshipping satan and serving him.
Am I required to love someone who worships satan and follows his dictates?

Is there a difference between that and an enemy?
Jesus was mad at the pharisees and they didn't even kill anyone.

An enemy, such as Rome in Jesus' day, did terrible things because they wanted to maintain control of a region.
Jesus was teaching people to listen to them and not feel hate for them so they wouldn't end up dead or on a cross along some road.

Muslims do what they do because they're following a false god and a false religion.
They want to eliminate everyone who doesn't agree with them.
Including YOU.

It would be nice if you started to understand the difference.

Yes, we are required to love all that is outside of Christ Jesus who is in the flesh of man. But we are also required to hate sin. So we don't love evil men in their evilness, we love them in the hope of Christ, that if He be lifted up He will draw all men unto Himself. Jesus said, He didn't come to earth to save the righteous, He came to earth to save sinners.

 

[Magenta]

True, you cant say Islam is evil due to the actions of a few.

But, Islam commands violence and subjugation of the unbelievers, and a forced life tax of the Christians and Jews.

So, yes, we can absolutely, 100% call Islam is evil.

Islam is evil.​

 

[Magenta]

Liberals embrace Islam because they are kindred spirits.

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[Magenta]

Miri, this is why Islam is evil-

Quran 8:12 - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

And this is why Christians should be speaking out against it.

You know that Muslims work just as hard as Christians to get the world to come to allah, right? Imagine if the whole world actually KNEW Muhammad, how he lived and what he commanded. There would be less converts to Islam.

Stop looking at this as "hating Muslims", and think about this as an actual salvation issue. Its not about hating Muslims, its about helping others see that Muhammad is not the way.

I know that you understand it because Ive seen you speak out against Mormonism. If we can criticize Mormonism, how is Islam any different?

Also, only talking about the Gospel to them and nothing else is problematic. For anyone that doesnt know what Islam is, it is literally a doctrine that denounces Christianity. It exists to teach people that Jesus was not the Son of God-

They know what the Gospel teaches. Theyve been taught to not believe in it.

You should absolutely know how to debate with a Muslim, and help them see that Muhammad was NOT a prophet of God.

She believes that Muslims already accept the first five books of the Bible and that therefore they have the foundation for accepting Christ. However, what Islam's teaches and Muslims believe are at variance with the Pentateuch right from the creation accounts in Genesis, and it was when I pointed out to her that they reject the foundational Truth of Scripture in Jesus Christ, that she went ballistic on me, falsely accusing me of wanting to prevent the spread of the gospel among other things, while she vehemently adhered to her deception that they believe what the Bible teaches, even though the basis for them accepting Mohammed as a prophet is because he claims he is a descendant of Ishmael's.

This is extremely important because Islam teaches that Ishmael was the child of promise to Abraham and Sarah whose seed was going to bless the whole world, and in this way, Mohammed supplants Jesus Christ in Islam. It seems to me that if you get that part wrong, it is quite big, but no, to her, it seemed a trifling hardly worth mentioning, and she rebuked me for bringing it to her attention.

 

[Miri]

Miri, this is why Islam is evil-

Quran 8:12 - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

And this is why Christians should be speaking out against it.

You know that Muslims work just as hard as Christians to get the world to come to allah, right? Imagine if the whole world actually KNEW Muhammad, how he lived and what he commanded. There would be less converts to Islam.

Stop looking at this as "hating Muslims", and think about this as an actual salvation issue. Its not about hating Muslims, its about helping others see that Muhammad is not the way.

I know that you understand it because Ive seen you speak out against Mormonism. If we can criticize Mormonism, how is Islam any different?

Hi Yer,

I do think Islam is a false religion, I just don't think Muslims are beyond salvation though,
whereas some seem to suggest or imply they are beyond the reach of Christ.
I think it's important to tell Muslims about the salvation of Christ, just as it is with others.

Maybe its just that I've seen Muslims come to Christ in my city and maybe others on here haven't.
We have several in my church who have come to Christ. Is thrilling to see them transformed when the
penny drops, when they throw off the shackles of their own dead religion. To see them
giving testimonies of what Christ has done for them, to see them being baptised.
If you could see the joy these people have, how Christ has changed them, you would
understand what I mean.


I've also heard missionaries speak about the amazing work carried out among
Muslims. I've had opportunities to share the gospel with Muslims myself.

They are living in bondage under deception. Most don't even get an option about it, that's just
the way they are brought up and they don't know any different. But the truth can set them
free just as it can anyone else.

For those who do start to question Islam, they can face all sorts of problems, being cut
off from family, even death threats, persecution. So imagine what it would be like to
question your faith and start looking for answers in the bible but at the same time, trying
not to let your family know. Or even worse if the only people who know the truth which can
set you free, won't speak to you.

Imagine if no Christian was willing to speak to Paul because of his persecution of the church
for example.

Ive also spoken to Mormons and Jehovahs Witnesses too. I find they are harder to speak to
than muslims though. Whereas all the Muslims I have spoken to have been very open
to hearing about Christ. I was just as surprised as anyone when I first realised this! Lol
I do think though that if you are open to spreading the gospel, that God will see that and
bring people across your path to chat to - not just Muslims but others as well.

Ps just to clarify as well, I have never spoken up for Islam, I have however spoken up
of the need to tell Muslims about Jesus and pray for them. They are trapped lost people,
under the bondage and stronghold of Satan, with no hope except that found in Christ.

 

[Magenta]

I do think Islam is a false religion, I just don't think Muslims are beyond salvation though,
whereas some seem to suggest or imply they are beyond the reach of Christ.

Who has suggested this, that any are beyond the reach of Christ? I would like to see it...

 

[Tommy379]

I just wonder, how many have to be murdered, while we wait for muslims to become Christians?

 

[Magenta]

I just wonder, how many have to be murdered, while we wait for muslims to become Christians?

How many child rapes are acceptable? Or even rapes of women?

More than 1,200 women were sexually assaulted or raped by 2,000 Muslim men
on Dec. 31, 2015 in Cologne, Germany. Similar attacks occurred that night in
11 other German cities, as well as in Finland, France, Sweden and Switzerland.

Police said almost all the rapists were refugees from the Middle East
or North Africa who were seeking asylum, and illegal immigrants.

But, political correctness being what it is, you are not really allowed to point out such facts. Pointing out such FACTS gets you called a racist, and hateful, with all manner of other slurs and slanders directed at you, while the perpetrators of such crimes are excused.

 

[G00WZ]

So, I've read a lot of extremely hateful posts about Muslims on here (and if it's not hatred, then they're doing a really good job of disguising it). Not about Islamic terrorists. About Muslims in general. I get not agreeing with their religion; we should never condone a religion that goes against what God has set forth. But I simply don't see the level of hatred directed at Jews or Buddhists as I do towards Muslims. A lot of the posts mention how Islam supports killing Christians; I haven't read the Quran, but from what I can tell from sites written by Islam, the Quran merely says to fight against those who attack them. Maybe it's different in other countries, but I've lived in America my whole life and no Muslim has ever tried to attack or kill me.

I've also had people say that you never hear about Christian terrorists, only Islamic ones, but that's simply not true. We might not call them Christian terrorists, but whenever someone claiming to be a Christian attacks someone because they're gay or not a Christian, that's terrorism. Might not happen as much anymore, but when it does we point out that that goes against God's word and say the terrorists aren't Christian. Likewise, many Muslims say that Islamic terrorists aren't true Muslims.

So why do some people on here hate Muslims (again, I'm not talking about Islamic terrorists; while Christians shouldn't hate anyone, I get angry at murders, too. I'm talking about Muslims who aren't terrorists)?

People are taught to hate Muslims, also they are operating out of the wrong spirit and not doing as Jesus commanded when he said to love thy neighbor as thyself.. it goes deep because how can a person full of hate who cant even see outside of them self attempt to love an enemy as their self.. let alone even dare to empathize with a Muslim, who is a lost brother or sister who needs to learn the truth... Then there are some who just believe that being Christian = free license so that they can belittle/hate on, and argue with Muslims, hoping to get them to convert.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

People are taught to hate Muslims, also they are operating out of the wrong spirit and not doing as Jesus commanded when he said to love thy neighbor as thyself.. it goes deep because how can a person full of hate who cant even see outside of them self attempt to love an enemy as their self.. let alone even dare to empathize with a Muslim, who is a lost brother or sister who needs to learn the truth... Then there are some who just believe that being Christian = free license so that they can belittle/hate on, and argue with Muslims, hoping to get them to convert.

or people are speaking against their evil false religion taking every chance they have by loving them and telling them the truth

never once going after the sinner

but the sin


im assuming you havent read any posts

(because you made so many false assumptions)

 

[NoNameMcgee]

People are taught to hate Muslims, also they are operating out of the wrong spirit and not doing as Jesus commanded when he said to love thy neighbor as thyself.. it goes deep because how can a person full of hate who cant even see outside of them self attempt to love an enemy as their self.. let alone even dare to empathize with a Muslim, who is a lost brother or sister who needs to learn the truth... Then there are some who just believe that being Christian = free license so that they can belittle/hate on, and argue with Muslims, hoping to get them to convert.

title specifically targeting people here

so when you answer and say something as vauge as "people"

youre also saying the people here


which no post ive read was hating an individual sinner


also ive never been taught such a thing
nor do i know anyone who has


maybe im out of the loop having given up TV as a minor for personal reasons

and being raised by a single parent tolerant of EVERY sin

including following the muslim religion

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Hi Yer,

I do think Islam is a false religion, I just don't think Muslims are beyond salvation though,
whereas some seem to suggest or imply they are beyond the reach of Christ.
I think it's important to tell Muslims about the salvation of Christ, just as it is with others.

While there are some people who have mentioned fighting Muslims (though I really believe thats a minority who feels that way), I dont believe anyone here disagrees with you.

I know thats been my point the entire time. We should reach out to Muslims.

My only concern is that Muslims DO know the Gospel, their religion is the reverse of it, and theyre taught to deny Christian doctrine, as Islam exists entirely to deny Christian doctrine : p Thats my big focus on helping both Muslims and the rest of the world see that Muhammad was a false prophet : p And a big part of that is definitely the verses about killing the unbeliever.

Jesus told us to love our enemies, and to pray for those who persecute us. And Muhammad claims to be of the same line as Jesus, that Jesus was a prophet before him. Forgetting that Jesus Himself claimed to be FAR more than a prophet, Muhammad couldnt be farther from being against Christ's teachings. If we could help the world see that, I strongly believe thered be less converts to Islam, and more more converts to Christianity : p

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

I just wonder, how many have to be murdered, while we wait for muslims to become Christians?

For Muslims who are actively killing others, I dont think its wrong for others to kill them in order to protect the lives of everyone else. But for Muslims in general, wouldnt you rather see them come to Christ and out of the lies of Islam?

And if it is the terrorists you are worried about, the best way to combat it is to help others come out of Islam, so that they do not follow an ideology that tells them to kill the unbeliever, but a belief that tells them to love their enemies and to pray for those who persecute them.

Christians should be actively working against Islam, but not through conflict.

 

[G00WZ]

or people are speaking against their evil false religion taking every chance they have by loving them and telling them the truth

never once going after the sinner

but the sin


im assuming you havent read any posts

(because you made so many false assumptions)

What i am saying is that people are taught to hate Muslims because they watch the media or listen to and are reacting the way of the world instead of reacting according to the teaching of Christ."Mark 12:31"
The media has a way of subliminally teaching people to hate by demonizing people. I know brothers in Christ who spend their entire time bashing Muslims every chance they get instead of trying to love them into the Kingdom.. I even know of some who think its funny when Muslims get shot up or die, never getting the chance to repent of what they have done. So yea i have no need for assumptions when i am sitting there listening to their comments.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

or people are speaking against their evil false religion taking every chance they have by loving them and telling them the truth

never once going after the sinner

but the sin


im assuming you havent read any posts

(because you made so many false assumptions)

Haha, yeah I generally assume that anyone who makes posts like these havent read the thread, or have any idea what even started it : p The whole thing started over the Islam thread in the Bible discussion, where a disagreement happened over using the evil of Islam to help others turn from it, due to other people believing that was an act of hate : b

No one actually supports the hatred of Islam, if a Muslim has strong faith in Muhammad as their prophet, seeing that Muhammad "explained" Jesus for them, youre gonna have a hard time getting any Muslim to believe in the Jesus of the Gospel. You know, the historic Jesus that even non- Christian scholars except as the true Jesus (without believing He rose from the dead and was really the Son of God).

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

What i am saying is that people are taught to hate Muslims because they watch the media or listen to and are reacting the way of the world instead of reacting according to the teaching of Christ."Mark 12:31"
The media has a way of subliminally teaching people to hate by demonizing people. I know brothers in Christ who spend their entire time bashing Muslims every chance they get instead of trying to love them into the Kingdom.. I even know of some who think its funny when Muslims get shot up or die, never getting the chance to repent of what they have done. So yea i have no need for assumptions when i am sitting there listening to their comments.

Oh, absolutely. I see it all the time in youtube comments. Anytime I read the comments in David Woods videos on youtube theres all those people who say things like "the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim" ect ect. I also see comments like these about the Jews. And liberals. And even Christians. And the lbgt.

I dont believe the majority of them are Christian, and even the ones who claim to be, Id imagine they are the kind of people who call themselves Christian but dont even come close to living the way Jesus wanted us to (as in fornication, drunkenness, ect). If you actually listen to the Christian speaker who is speaking, you wont hear them say anything along the lines of "kill Muslims", you will hear them working to turn Muslims away from Muhammad, and teach everyone else about how the prophet of Islam has nothing to do with the God of Abraham.

As Christians we should absolutely do whats right. But, love them to Christ. I gotta disagree with this teaching. I had a deep close and personal friend for over ten years, and he was a Christian, and of course he wanted me to come to Christ, too. But even with him being as loving as he was, it wasnt him that brought me to Christ. It was me getting a warning that brought me into fear that brought me to come to Him that made me a Christian.

Im not saying lets bring them fear or any of that, my point is that being nice to people doesnt bring them to Christ. If we know that their prophet was deceived, and has been used to deceive them, wouldnt the loving thing to do be to help them see how their prophet is a false prophet?

This thread isnt actually about people who hate Muslims : p This is all about a few people here who are disliked because they dont agree that the only thing needed to convert Muslims is to tell them that Jesus died for them : p They know that story, and are taught to deny it-

Quran 4:157-158 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise