Why do you hate Muslims? (Yes, I'm aware this only applies to some people on here.)

[oldethennew]

there's an Holy War, and then there is an 'un-holy war'...

it is no secret that islam' is 'moon-worship', but The God of Heaven, Who CREATED
the heavens, the moon, the stars and the earth, well, what He created,
He has the right to destroy, ONLY HE has this right and no other...

worldly speaking, there can be a just 'war', or an 'un-just war'...

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

However back to the title of the thread, it was worded in such a way because some posts
have suggested all Muslims generally are evil.

You know, Ive asked a million times for anyone to show a post that claimed all Muslims are evil.

So far, no one has been able to do it. No ones even tried to do it. They just keep claiming that everyone is saying Muslims are evil.

This is why I continually point out that the people who keep claiming that others are saying this cannot in their minds seperate Islam and Muslims. To them, Islam and Muhammad are Muslims, therefore you cant talk out against them because if you do, you are guilty of hating Muslims.

Of course that rule doesnt apply to anything else. We can speak out against racism and not be guilty of hating all racists. But we cant speak out against a doctrine that claims Jesus was just a prophet of allah, that commands violence against unbelievers, and even allows for its followers to hit their wives. Because if we do, we are saying all Muslims are evil.
NOT that the doctrine they follow is evil, but that they themselves are all murderers and pedophiles.


And you are standing for Islam by shaming those who speak out against it and calling them hateful.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

your post confuses me

since i havent seen hate in the thread

Nah, this has been going on for a while now : p The people who are frustrated arent frustrated because there are people who are saying "lets kill Muslims, guys. Theyre all killers and pedophiles". Its because there are people who tell them that just telling them that Jesus died on the cross is not going to reach many of them, because their prophet already told them that none of that happened, and that Jesus was just a prophet of allah : p

So they equate disproving Muhammad as a prophet of God as hate speech.

 

[Miri]

if the title was

why do people hate pedofiles and rapists and murders of loved ones

it would be very similar...

were answering the initial question


and the reason muslims get so much push back

is what the quran says


only muslims that DONT follow the teaching of quran

arent murdering


so if a women claims to be muslim

and is kind to your aunt who isnt muslim

that woman would kill your aunt with pleasure if she were a true muslim in a territory

or she is a muslim
like a morman is christian


ive never judged a muslim since i posted in this thread


only the teachings

ive shared my food with muslims

ive played soccer with them

i treat them like any non believer

i wont take their council

and the more ive learned of the bible

the more i distance myself from sinners without a new heart

because i dont want to hit a stumbling block while im still so young in my walk

The above in bold - that's understandable God does not send unarmed, unprepared
soldiers into battle. You might find though that God will give you little bits to do
here and there. An opportunity to pray for this person or share a verse with that person.

When you do, your heart will burst with joy because you will then know what it is
like to be about the master's business. There is nothing like it in the world, to
give a word in season, to help another person move a little closer to Jesus. To
see a life transformed. I honestly can see why heaven throws a party (prodigal son).

It could be anyone, that elderly person in your church who goes for the companionship but
doesnt know Christ yet. That teen on a church camp. Even that Muslim who asks you
to pray for him.

The bit about true Muslims, many don't follow the Koran. Many aren't even that bothered
about Islam, they just happen to be born into that culture and don't know how to get out.
I know, I've spoken to many.

But having said that, Ivd heard testimonies from Imans (is that the correct word) who
found Christ. They were persecuted and excommunicated for it. Last weekend I heard
a testimony from a former Muslim who has 3 death threats over him, but who has
planted at least 200 Christian churches in African in Muslim areas.

I cant remember all the stats that were said, but they included that there has been more
Muslim converts to Christianity in the last 30 years than at any other known time.

Where evil abounds, grace abounds even more. We are living in evil times, there is
so much evil going on. Daily the news bombards us with more terror stories and
attrocities.

But remember God is not dead, the Holy Spirit still convicts, the blood of Jesus
can still reach the unreachable.

 

[Willie-T]

Does anyone disagree that if (more like WHEN) our nation becomes largely Muslim, Christians are going to be in a world of persecution, and even mortal danger from almost every single Muslim living here?

No, some may not be willing to kill you, outright, by their own hand, but just like the average German did to the Jews in WWII, they will pick up the phone to report you to the Religious authorities who WILL exterminate you.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Does anyone disagree that if (more like WHEN) our nation becomes largely Muslim, Christians are going to be in a world of persecution, and even mortal danger from almost every single Muslim living here?

No, some may not be willing to kill you, outright, by their own hand, but just like the average German did to the Jews in WWII, they will pick up the phone to report you to the Religious authorities who WILL exterminate you.

I definitely wouldnt be surprised to see Christmas decorations banned due to offending Muslims. Or any Christian ornaments in general.
I do think that there should be a big push for foreign Muslims coming into our country to accept that all beliefs are free to be practiced here, and that they can practice Islam if they want, but they must also be able to accept others practicing theirs, too.
Im sure that there would be people who would go as far as to call that racist though : p

 

[NoNameMcgee]

[/B]

The above in bold - that's understandable God does not send unarmed, unprepared
soldiers into battle. You might find though that God will give you little bits to do
here and there. An opportunity to pray for this person or share a verse with that person.

When you do, your heart will burst with joy because you will then know what it is
like to be about the master's business. There is nothing like it in the world, to
give a word in season, to help another person move a little closer to Jesus. To
see a life transformed. I honestly can see why heaven throws a party (prodigal son).

It could be anyone, that elderly person in your church who goes for the companionship but
doesnt know Christ yet. That teen on a church camp. Even that Muslim who asks you
to pray for him.

The bit about true Muslims, many don't follow the Koran. Many aren't even that bothered
about Islam, they just happen to be born into that culture and don't know how to get out.
I know, I've spoken to many.

But having said that, Ivd heard testimonies from Imans (is that the correct word) who
found Christ. They were persecuted and excommunicated for it. Last weekend I heard
a testimony from a former Muslim who has 3 death threats over him, but who has
planted at least 200 Christian churches in African in Muslim areas.

I cant remember all the stats that were said, but they included that there has been more
Muslim converts to Christianity in the last 30 years than at any other known time.

Where evil abounds, grace abounds even more. We are living in evil times, there is
so much evil going on. Daily the news bombards us with more terror stories and
attrocities.

But remember God is not dead, the Holy Spirit still convicts, the blood of Jesus
can still reach the unreachable.

if im attacked physically i dont want to react by my flesh


i lived a life of violence

im my new heart is truely new

and i may still be a spiritual babe

 

[Jimbone]

Does anyone disagree that if (more like WHEN) our nation becomes largely Muslim, Christians are going to be in a world of persecution, and even mortal danger from almost every single Muslim living here?

No, some may not be willing to kill you, outright, by their own hand, but just like the average German did to the Jews in WWII, they will pick up the phone to report you to the Religious authorities who WILL exterminate you.

Agreed, and I do not think it is hate to look at the places in the world that are Muslim and talk about the "fruits" it brings. Islam teaches fight, kill, slaughter, and dominate, is it hate to point these things out? Muslim believers fight Jews, Christians, Pagans, homosexuals, Atheist, and other Muslims, everyone, just whoever is closest really. These are facts, these things happen in reality every day. Christian are being slaughtered today in numbers greater than anytime in history, yet how often does this information hit our ears?

There is also a pattern you see as the Muslim population of an area grows. It goes from what we see here in America and talking about "peace", and "live and let live", and as Islam grows and they gain power and numbers, so does the aggression until all is under the heel of Islam. It's been seen over and over in history, and ask yourself is that nice Muslim friend you know now, going to jump in front of her brothers and sisters in faith, that now have the majority and have you surrounded, from throwing rocks at you to kill you?

I don't think that any nice Muslim's you know are plotting to kill you now, I also think they can be genuinely nice and good people, but Islam is poison, and Islam is evil and to deny exactly where Islam leads the people has a 1400 year track record of death. I do not think it is hateful to call it that, and to fight zealously for the souls of all these Muslim people. They are just deceived as I was at one point. I am with you and think ignoring the problem and staying quite will do more harm than good.

 

[Willie-T]

I definitely wouldnt be surprised to see Christmas decorations banned due to offending Muslims. Or any Christian ornaments in general.
I do think that there should be a big push for foreign Muslims coming into our country to accept that all beliefs are free to be practiced here, and that they can practice Islam if they want, but they must also be able to accept others practicing theirs, too.
Im sure that there would be people who would go as far as to call that racist though : p

I can't really go along with that. Honor killings, oppression of women.... that is all a very solid and deeply ingrained part of their religion...................... and that is not even mentioning all the stuff where their religion says they have to rule us.

No, that religion cannot be allowed to coexist with ours, because they just will not accept "live and let live." Especially not once they gain the predominance in this country, and we will then be unable to stop their greed for dominance and controlling power.

 

[PeterJens]

I can't really go along with that. Honor killings, oppression of women.... that is all a very solid and deeply ingrained part of their religion...................... and that is not even mentioning all the stuff where their religion says they have to rule us.

No, that religion cannot be allowed to coexist with ours, because they just will not accept "live and let live." Especially not once they gain the predominance in this country, and we will then be unable to stop their greed for dominance and controlling power.

What surprises me is why muslims carry on believing Mo was anything than a nutcase.

The record his wife wanted to know from Mo is an angel was present. So she took off
her veil and asked did it leave. This was the spiritual test was the angel good or evil.

So they accept an invisible being spoke to Mo, put him into fits, in which only he got
the right revelation, and this angel was Gabriel yet no one else ever saw it, and he
showed all the signs of being crazy. After going to Medina and having 10 years of
peace in Mecca, he corrupted himself. He got involved with Aisha, aged 6, and started
sexual activity with her. He then started down the 12 wives root, and lots of twists
and turns to justify his greater self indulgent behaviour and killing anyone who disagreed
with him.

He was quite a nice guy up to this point, and then it went to pot. All the contradictions and
abberations come from this schizophrenic shift, justified as the later writing over turning the
earlier ones, but no real explanation as to why, just they were better. A more plausable reason
is Mo needed to become violent and predatory, but could not withdraw Allahs word, so just say
the later enhances the former. His biggest trick was the psychotic murder who you want for
blasphemy or apostacy, no questions asked. Funny how people started agreeing with him.
Better still if you die doing this you go straight to paradise, no matter how evil you are.

This recruitment of the slime and dross of any society into being the murderers and
enforcers of the faith, is exactly what we are facing today. And the justification for
such terrible behaviour can be upsetting a nutcase by a joke, or a wrong word, or
anything they can twist into an insult. You can imagine the impact this has on most
timid ordinary folk, why pay such a price for nothing, just conform for the sake of
an easy life. So in a society is slowly intimidates by flattery and violence locking
in gains and denying justice or a voice to any opposition. You can see the effect
on the press, on people in the street, everywhere, people walk in fear of these nutters.

 

[Magenta]

Anyone who uses the historically confined violence of OT to justify
defending unconfined present day violence of Islam (such as wwjd did)
while they use false accusations and repeatedly slander Christians
who post FACTS about Islam today, as well as about Islam historically,
and Islam culturally etc, is really grasping at straws, and seeking to
obfuscate the issues. Perhaps they also need to be informed that Islam
is actually partially a bastardization of the Old and New Testament
Scriptures. They ought to be thoroughly ashamed of themselves
for defending such blatant bastardizations. They probably aren't.
That explains their continued slander, also. Unconscionable!

Muslims reject the Bible as being reliable even though their supposed
holy book (which is actually Satanically inspired) tells them that they
are obliged to believe the Bible. However, Mohammed was an illiterate
who did not understand the Bible, and he made many mistakes trying
to interpret what it said, not being able to read it for himself, not to
mention, not having the leading or sanction of the Holy Spirit of God.

Mohammed also borrowed from the NT, twisting the Scriptures quite
a lot, and adding his own little bits of made up of folk and fairy tales,
legends, and myths common in Arabia at the time. Mohammed also had
a tendency to mix people from different eras, which really showcased his
general ignorance. Some of the fairy tales and fictitious fabrications that
made it into the Qur'an are explained in the following video by David Wood.

[video=youtube;Rxj41M-xwa0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxj41M-xwa0[/video]

Islam is a collection of teachings and practices that were common in Arabia
during the time of Muhammad. There were several tribes of Jews preaching
monotheism in Arabia. These Jews had the Torah, along with tons of other
stories that were recorded in the Talmud, and other sources. Many of the
stories in these additional sources were based on Biblical characters, but
they were fictitious. Stories about Abraham being delivered from a fire,
or a bird teaching Cain to bury his brother, or Solomon talking to animals.

Muhammad heard the stories, and now they're in the Qur'an.

There were also a variety of tales about Jesus and Mary, that certain
heretical Christian groups believed, stories about Jesus speaking at birth,
Jesus giving life to clay birds; Mary giving birth under a palm tree, and so on.

No historian on the planet believes that these stories are authentic,
but they were popular in Arabia during the 7th century.

Muhammad heard them, and now they're in the Qur'an.

In Sura 18, Allah tells us that Alexander the Great traveled so far west
he found the place where the sun sets. This was a popular story during
Muhammad's lifetime; Muhammad heard it, now it's in the Qur'an.

The Qur'an even claims that Alexander the Great was a devout Muslim,
when we know historically that he was a complete pagan.

During Muhammad's time, the Sabians, who are mentioned several
times in the Qur'an, recited a creed, "there is no God but Allah."
Muhammad heard this creed and simply added the words, "and
Muhammad is his messenger." The Sabians also prayed at all 5 of
the times Muslims pray during their prescribed daily prayers.

Some of the Persians believed that after death, a paradise of sensual
delights awaited them, complete with houris, the perpetual virgins
Muslims believe they will be awarded in Paradise.

It seems that Muhammad simply took a bunch of the beliefs and
practices the were popular in 7th century Arabia, gave them an
Islamic twist, and incorporated them into his new religion.

The pagans, by the way, thought this was hilarious.
They regularly made fun of Muhammad for believing
everything he heard, so they called him "the ear."

Let's read a passage from Ib'-- about Muhammad
and one of his critics a man named Nabtal bin al-Harith

I have heard that it was of him that the Apostle said, whoever wants
to see Satan let him take a look at Nabtal -- He was a sturdy man
with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks.
He used to come and talk to the apostle and listen to him, and
then carry what he had said to the hypocrites. It was he who said,
Mohammed is all ears. If anyone tells him anything, he believes it.
God sent down concerning him, in Sura 9:61 of the Qur'an, and of
them are those who annoy the profit, and say he is all ears, say,
good ears for you. He believes in God and trusts the believers and
is a mercy for those of you who believe; and those who annoy the
apostle of God, for them is a painful punishment.

So the pagans could tell that Muhammad was simply
adopting stories and practices for Islamic purposes.

Not surprisingly the Hajj, the annual pilgrimage to Mecca, is saturated
in paganism and idolatry. During the Hajj, Muslims walk circles around
the Kaaba, the cubicle shrine that they pray to. They kiss the black stone.
They run back and forth between the hills of Safa and Malwa and so on.

Where do they get these practices? Before Muhammad conquered
Mecca, the Kaaba was a center of pagan worship in Arabia. The
Kaaba was surrounded by three hundred and sixty pagan idols.

24:78 -- Narrated
The prophet entered Mecca, and at that time there were 360 idols
around the Kaaba. He started stabbing the idols with a stick he had
in his hand, and reciting, and say, truth i.e. Islamic monotheism or this
Jihad against polytheists has come, and Satan, or polytheism, has vanished.

This is when Muhammad took control of the Kaaba.

But why would he want to take control of a pagan
temple and make it the center of Islamic worship?

Let's back up a bit. When Muhammad and his followers were in
Mecca years earlier, they prayed facing Jerusalem. The pagans
prayed facing the Kaaba. Muslims prayed facing Jerusalem like
the Jews. You can line up the Kaaba and Jerusalem if you wanted
so that you were facing both, but the direction of prayer was Jerusalem.

When Muhammad was in Mecca he really thought
that the Jews were going to accept him as a prophet.

The Muslim Community eventually moved to Medina, and the Jews
could tell immediately that Muhammad was a false prophet, because
they knew the Torah, and Muhammad only knew stories that he had
heard. He was all ears, remember.

But Muhammad could not even get those stories right, so the Jews
rejected him, and Allah said to Muhammad in Sura 2:144

Now shall we turn thee to a Quibla that shall please thee. Turn
then thy face in the directions of the sacred mosque. (2:144)

So Allah's goal goal in telling Muslims to face the Kaaba, was
to please Muhammad. It's amazing how much of the Qur'an is
dedicated to pleasing the man who is receiving the revelations.

Why would facing the Kaaba please Muhammad? Two reasons:

One~ it was sending the Jews a message: this is what you get for
rejecting me. Two~ Muhammad had grown up among pagans who
prayed facing the Kaaba and all its idols. So praying to the Kaaba
was normal to them; it felt right. But how could Muhammad justify
praying toward a pagan shrine? Well just a few versus earlier,
Allah declared that the Kaaba was built by Abraham and Ishmael.

Now that's interesting. If it was built by Abraham and Ishmael, why
did Muslims spend more than a decade praying facing Jerusalem?
Why does it seem like Mohammed is inventing this as he goes along?

One of life's great mysteries! (haha I know, right?)

3366 narrated Abu Dhar
I said, oh Allah's messenger! Which mosque was first built on the
surface of the Earth? He said, at Makkah. I said, which was built
next? He replied, at Jerusalem. I said, what was the period of
construction between the two? He said, 40 years.

According to Muhammad, there was a 40-year gap between the
construction of the Kaaba and the temple in Jerusalem.

Why is this important? Well, we know when the Jerusalem Temple
was built; Solomon built it in the 10th century BC.

That's more than 1,000 years after Abraham. If Abraham built the
Kaaba, he built it more than a thousand years before Solomon built
the Jerusalem Temple. But Muhammad said they were built 40 years apart.

So we need to ask our Muslim friends, where did Abraham and Ishmael
get their time machine? Because if they didn't have a time machine,
Muhammad was wrong, and we can't trust what he says about the
construction of the Kaaba, and without Muhammad making up
stories about Abraham and Ishmael and the Kaaba, the only
evidence we have tells us that Muslims are bowing down to a
pagan temple and taking a pilgrimage to a pagan temple and
walking circles around a pagan temple.

By the way, why do Muslims walk circles around the Kaaba?
The pagans walked circles around the Kaaba, too.

Why did they do that? This is about half the video transcribed.
I will carry on with the second half at some later time
Thank you for reading and/or listening... Have a great day!

 

[Magenta]

[video=youtube;Rxj41M-xwa0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxj41M-xwa0[/video]

Islam is a collection of teachings and practices that were common in Arabia
during the time of Muhammad. There were several tribes of Jews preaching
monotheism in Arabia. These Jews had the Torah, along with tons of other
stories that were recorded in the Talmud, and other sources. Many of the
stories in these additional sources were based on Biblical characters, but
they were fictitious. Stories about Abraham being delivered from a fire,
or a bird teaching Cain to bury his brother, or Solomon talking to animals.

Muhammad heard the stories, and now they're in the Qur'an.

There were also a variety of tales about Jesus and Mary, that certain
heretical Christian groups believed, stories about Jesus speaking at birth,
Jesus giving life to clay birds; Mary giving birth under a palm tree, and so on.

No historian on the planet believes that these stories are authentic,
but they were popular in Arabia during the 7th century.

Muhammad heard them, and now they're in the Qur'an.

In Sura 18, Allah tells us that Alexander the Great traveled so far west
he found the place where the sun sets. This was a popular story during
Muhammad's lifetime; Muhammad heard it, now it's in the Qur'an.

The Qur'an even claims that Alexander the Great was a devout Muslim,
when we know historically that he was a complete pagan.

During Muhammad's time, the Sabians, who are mentioned several
times in the Qur'an, recited a creed, "there is no God but Allah."
Muhammad heard this creed and simply added the words, "and
Muhammad is his messenger." The Sabians also prayed at all 5 of
the times Muslims pray during their prescribed daily prayers.

Some of the Persians believed that after death, a paradise of sensual
delights awaited them, complete with houris, the perpetual virgins
Muslims believe they will be awarded in Paradise.

It seems that Muhammad simply took a bunch of the beliefs and
practices the were popular in 7th century Arabia, gave them an
Islamic twist, and incorporated them into his new religion.

The pagans, by the way, thought this was hilarious.
They regularly made fun of Muhammad for believing
everything he heard, so they called him "the ear."

Let's read a passage from Ib'-- about Muhammad
and one of his critics a man named Nabtal bin al-Harith

I have heard that it was of him that the Apostle said, whoever wants
to see Satan let him take a look at Nabtal -- He was a sturdy man
with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks.
He used to come and talk to the apostle and listen to him, and
then carry what he had said to the hypocrites. It was he who said,
Mohammed is all ears. If anyone tells him anything, he believes it.
God sent down concerning him, in Sura 9:61 of the Qur'an, and of
them are those who annoy the profit, and say he is all ears, say,
good ears for you. He believes in God and trusts the believers and
is a mercy for those of you who believe; and those who annoy the
apostle of God, for them is a painful punishment.

So the pagans could tell that Muhammad was simply
adopting stories and practices for Islamic purposes.

Not surprisingly the Hajj, the annual pilgrimage to Mecca, is saturated
in paganism and idolatry. During the Hajj, Muslims walk circles around
the Kaaba, the cubicle shrine that they pray to. They kiss the black stone.
They run back and forth between the hills of Safa and Malwa and so on.

Where do they get these practices? Before Muhammad conquered
Mecca, the Kaaba was a center of pagan worship in Arabia. The
Kaaba was surrounded by three hundred and sixty pagan idols.

24:78 -- Narrated
The prophet entered Mecca, and at that time there were 360 idols
around the Kaaba. He started stabbing the idols with a stick he had
in his hand, and reciting, and say, truth i.e. Islamic monotheism or this
Jihad against polytheists has come, and Satan, or polytheism, has vanished.

This is when Muhammad took control of the Kaaba.

But why would he want to take control of a pagan
temple and make it the center of Islamic worship?

Let's back up a bit. When Muhammad and his followers were in
Mecca years earlier, they prayed facing Jerusalem. The pagans
prayed facing the Kaaba. Muslims prayed facing Jerusalem like
the Jews. You can line up the Kaaba and Jerusalem if you wanted
so that you were facing both, but the direction of prayer was Jerusalem.

When Muhammad was in Mecca he really thought
that the Jews were going to accept him as a prophet.

The Muslim Community eventually moved to Medina, and the Jews
could tell immediately that Muhammad was a false prophet, because
they knew the Torah, and Muhammad only knew some stories that
he had heard. He was all ears, remember.

But Muhammad could not even get those stories right, so the Jews
rejected him, and Allah said to Muhammad in Sura 2:144

Now shall we turn thee to a Quibla that shall please thee. Turn
then thy face in the directions of the sacred mosque. (2:144)

So Allah's goal goal in telling Muslims to face the Kaaba, was
to please Muhammad. It's amazing how much of Islam is
dedicated to pleasing the man who was receiving the revelations.

Why would facing the Kaaba please Muhammad? Two reasons:

One~ he was sending the Jews a message: this is what you get for
rejecting me. Two~ Muhammad had grown up among pagans who
prayed facing the Kaaba and all its idols. So praying to the Kaaba
was normal for them; it felt right. But how could Muhammad justify
praying towards a pagan shrine? Well, just a few versus earlier, (2:127)
Allah declared that the Kaaba was built by Abraham and Ishmael.

Now that's interesting. If it was built by Abraham and Ishmael, why
did Muslims spend more than a decade praying towards Jerusalem?
Why does it seem like Mohammed is inventing this as he goes along?

One of life's great mysteries! (haha I know, right?)

But what evidence do we have that the Kaaba was built by Abraham and
Ishmael? Absolutely none apart from the fact that Muhammad said it.
That's good enough for Muslims, but it shouldn't be. Muhammad had
absolutely no clue what he was talking about, and I can prove it.

3366 narrated Abu Dhar
I said, oh Allah's messenger! Which mosque was first built on the
surface of the Earth? He said, at Makkah. I said, which was built
next? He replied, at Jerusalem. I said, what was the period of
construction between the two? He said, 40 years.

According to Muhammad, there was a 40-year gap between the
construction of the Kaaba and the temple in Jerusalem.

Why is this important? Well, we know when the Jerusalem Temple
was built; Solomon built it in the 10th century BC.

That's more than 1,000 years after Abraham. If Abraham built the
Kaaba, he built it more than a thousand years before Solomon built
the Jerusalem Temple. But Muhammad said they were built 40 years apart.

So we need to ask our Muslim friends, where did Abraham and Ishmael
get their time machine? Because if they didn't have a time machine,
Muhammad was wrong, and we can't trust what he says about the
construction of the Kaaba, and without Muhammad making up
stories about Abraham and Ishmael and the Kaaba, the only
evidence we have tells us that Muslims are bowing down to a
pagan temple and taking a pilgrimage to a pagan temple and
walking circles around a pagan temple.

By the way, why do Muslims walk circles around the Kaaba?
The pagans walked circles around the Kaaba, too.

Why did they do that? This is about half the video transcribed.
I will carry on with the second half at some later time
Thank you for reading and/or listening... Have a great day!

My apologies, as I had left out a paragraph, the one now directly
following (haha I know, right?); other slight corrections made

 

[Socreta93]

we hate muslims? Maybe that Sarsour chick but not everyone

 

[Magenta]

Pagan practices proliferate in Islam.

Picking up again where we left off, @ 7:48

By the way, why do Muslims walk circles around the Kaaba? The
pagans walked circles around the Kaaba too. Why did they do that?

The Muslim scholar and Qur'an translator Yusaf Ali, in his
commentary on the Qur'an, has an appendix on ancient forms
of pagan worship. He writes, It will be noticed that the Sun and
the Moon and the five planets got identified each with a living
deity, god or goddess, with characteristic qualities of its own.

The ancients knew about the stars and constellations, but they also
knew about seven heavenly objects that seemed to have their own motions:
the sun, the moon, Mercury Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. They
didn't have telescopes yet so they didn't know about the other planets.

According to the pagans, each of these seven heavenly objects was
orbiting the earth, and each was associated with a particular pagan deity.

Why did the pagans of Mecca circle the Kaaba seven times? To honor
and worship the seven planetary deities that they believed were circling
the Earth. This is as pagan as you can possibly get, and now this thoroughly
pagan practice is one of the five pillars of Islam. But let me guess: if it
looks like paganism, and walks like paganism, and talks like paganism,
it must be pure monotheism in disguise, right?

When they visit the Kaaba, Muslims do their best to kiss the black stone.
That's funny! The pagans of Arabia used to worship stones, too.




4376 Narrated Abu Raja al Utaridi: we used to worship stones, and
when we found a better stone than the first one, we would throw
the first stone and take the latter, but if we could not get a stone, then
we would collect some earth (meaning soil), and then bring a sheep,
and milk that sheep over it, and perform the Tawaf around it. When
the month of Rajab came, we used to stop the military actions, calling
this month the iron remover, because we used to remove and throw away
the iron parts of every spear and arrow in the month of Rajab.

What did the pagans worship? A stone. And they would trade that
stone for a better stone to worship. When does that process stop?

When you get to the best stone, the black stone, at the Kaaba.
That's what the pagans did. What do Muslims do when they get
to the Kaaba? They kiss the black stone. It's as if Muslims are saying,
we want to be as idolatrous as possible, but we're still not idolators.

​

Interestingly, even Muhammad's companions understood that kissing
the black stone was idolatry, but they kept doing it anyway, because
Muhammad had done it. 1597 Narrated Naris bin Abis we read:

Ramar came near the Black stone and kissed it and said, no doubt
I know you are a stone, and can neither harm any one nor benefit
anyone. Had I not seen Allah's messenger kissing you,
I would not have kissed you.

This is Umar, the second rightly guided Caliph, saying that he
knows he shouldn't be kissing a pagan idol like the black stone,
but he does it anyway, because Muhammad did it.

But there is more idolatry during the Hajj. When the pagans took
the pilgrimage to Mecca, they would run back and forth between
the hills of Al-Safa and Al-Marwah. They ran back and forth between
them to honor the pagan idols. Yusaf Ali comments on Sura 2:158
of the Qur'an: The virtue of patient perseverance in faith leads to the
mention of two symbolic monuments of that virtue. These are the two
little hills of Safa and Marwah now absorbed in the city of Makkah
(Mecca) and close to the well of Zamzam. Here, according to tradition,
the lady Hagar, mother of the infant Ishmael, prayed for water in the
parched desert, and in her eager quest round these hills, she found
her prayer answered, and saw the Zamzam spring. Unfortunately the
pagan Arabs had placed a male and a female idol here, and their gross
and superstitious rites caused offense to the early Muslims.

Now, how do we know that Hagar and Ishmael were ever at these hills?
Because Muhammad said it, right? And Muhammad's the guy who
thought that Abraham and Solomon lived forty years apart, and that
Alexander the Great was a Muslim: least reliable source of historical
information ever. But what do we actually know here?

We know that pagans used to run back and forth as part of
their idol worship, and the early Muslims knew this as well.

3847 narrated by Ibn Abas: To run along the valley between the two
green pillars of As-Safa and Malwara (mountains), was not Sunna, but
the people in the pre-Islamic period of ignorance used to run along it and
used to say, "We do not cross this rain stream except running in great haste."

Now, this is devastating to Islam, because Ibn Abas says this practice
was just a pagan practice. It wasn't part of the sunna of Muhammad.

Notice the commentary at the bottom: This statement of Ibn Abas
is wrong, as most of the religious scholars consider it As-Sunna
of the prophet. Most of the religious scholars, in order to rescue
Islam, have to throw Ibn Abas under the bus. This is getting ridiculous!

(2574) Narrated 'Asim bin Sulaiman: I asked Anas bin Malik about Safa
and Marwa. Anas replied, "We used to consider (i.e. going around) them
a custom of the Pre-islamic period of Ignorance, so when Islam came, we
gave up going around them. Then allah revealed" "Verily, Safa and Marwa
(i.e. two mountains at Mecca) are among the symbols of allah. So it is not
harmful (sin) of those who perform the Hajj (pilgrimage) of the House
(Kaaba) at Mecca - or perform the Umra to ambulate (Tawaf) between
them." (2.158) (Book #60, Hadith #23) [video said 4496]

[video=youtube;Rxj41M-xwa0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxj41M-xwa0[/video]

Hear again the early Muslims understood that it was a pagan practice.
They sad that they stopped doing it when they became Muslims, but
Muhammad liked it, so it ended up in the Qur'an.

How much paganism can you fit into one religion?

Quite a bit, it seems. And two things are amazing here:

First, it's amazing that Muslims who are swimming in a sea of pagan
practices are deluded enough to think that they're the true champions
of monotheism. They're doing everything the pagans did.
They are just rename it, monotheism.

Second, the pagans of Arabia were local groups. They weren't going to spread
their pagan practices around the world, but Islam has taken the same idolatrous
pagan nonsense practiced by the Meccans and spread it around the world.

This means that Islam is the greatest source of idolatry and paganism
in history. Now to you Muslims who insist on taking the pilgrimage
to Mecca, in spite of its pagan roots, I make a simple request: watch the
video where I talk about the Kaaba, and how you can convert your false
pagan worship into something that actually involves God. I'm not sure
you'll like it, but it will definitely be an improvement over spending your
lives kissing a pagan rock, and running around a pagan cube, and
celebrating the seven false planetary deities, and having no idea that
you've been duped. The chief export of Saudi Arabia is not oil, it's
paganism, and terrorism... off topic but I couldn't resist.

David gets a lot of comments from people who practice this peaceful
pagan religion, many of them death threats. Thank you Lord for providing
teachers who stand up for Truth despite the bullies and hate filled liars.

 

[Magenta]

we hate muslims? Maybe that Sarsour chick but not everyone

She has been proven to be a liar. They call it taqiyya in Islam, which is officially encouraged, so they can dupe people into accepting their false, violent death cult as a harmless religion of peace.

 

[Angela53510]

So, I've read a lot of extremely hateful posts about Muslims on here (and if it's not hatred, then they're doing a really good job of disguising it). Not about Islamic terrorists. About Muslims in general. I get not agreeing with their religion; we should never condone a religion that goes against what God has set forth. But I simply don't see the level of hatred directed at Jews or Buddhists as I do towards Muslims. A lot of the posts mention how Islam supports killing Christians; I haven't read the Quran, but from what I can tell from sites written by Islam, the Quran merely says to fight against those who attack them. Maybe it's different in other countries, but I've lived in America my whole life and no Muslim has ever tried to attack or kill me.

I've also had people say that you never hear about Christian terrorists, only Islamic ones, but that's simply not true. We might not call them Christian terrorists, but whenever someone claiming to be a Christian attacks someone because they're gay or not a Christian, that's terrorism. Might not happen as much anymore, but when it does we point out that that goes against God's word and say the terrorists aren't Christian. Likewise, many Muslims say that Islamic terrorists aren't true Muslims.

So why do some people on here hate Muslims (again, I'm not talking about Islamic terrorists; while Christians shouldn't hate anyone, I get angry at murders, too. I'm talking about Muslims who aren't terrorists)?

Back to the OP. And a grave language misunderstanding!

The OP asked a simple question. Why do Christians, hate people? (Because Muslims are people!)

Because Muslims are the people who follow Islam. There is no Muslim religion. Period! There are followers of Islam, whom we call Muslims. I think they call themselves something else. Correct me if I wrong.

So, this post was to find out why Muslims are hated more than Jews or Buddhists, for example, she says.

Instead, what we get is 12 pages, so far, of why people hate Islam, but then, extending it to all people who follow Islam.

I don't think one post on here disagrees with Islam being evil, and that the jihadists who are terrorists are bad news for the west. I will go a step farther, and say, there are expansionist tendencies, on a political level, which are frightening.

Islam = bad
Muslim = needs Christ.

God saved Paul, who was persecuting Christians, he can even save radical Islamic or radical Hindus (they are persecuting people in India right now, in case anyone missed that!) or radical Buddhist, etc. Yes, even Buddhists have a history of violence, don't believe what the media says about this faith.


So, one more time:

Who needs Jesus? Everyone, including Muslims, followers of Islam

Who is charged with taking the gospel to everyone? We are! Matt. 28:18-20!

Who is charged with taking the gospel to Muslims? We are! Matt 28:18-20


Stop confusing the evil religion of Islam with the billion+ people who need Christ! Muslims, atheists, agnostics, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, tribal religions, pagans! They all need Christ!

What is Islam? An terrible religion enslaving billions of Muslims that we are charged to preach to and rescue!

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Back to the OP. And a grave language misunderstanding!

The OP asked a simple question. Why do Christians, hate people? (Because Muslims are people!)

Because Muslims are the people who follow Islam. There is no Muslim religion. Period! There are followers of Islam, whom we call Muslims. I think they call themselves something else. Correct me if I wrong.

So, this post was to find out why Muslims are hated more than Jews or Buddhists, for example, she says.

Instead, what we get is 12 pages, so far, of why people hate Islam, but then, extending it to all people who follow Islam.

I don't think one post on here disagrees with Islam being evil, and that the jihadists who are terrorists are bad news for the west. I will go a step farther, and say, there are expansionist tendencies, on a political level, which are frightening.

Islam = bad
Muslim = needs Christ.

God saved Paul, who was persecuting Christians, he can even save radical Islamic or radical Hindus (they are persecuting people in India right now, in case anyone missed that!) or radical Buddhist, etc. Yes, even Buddhists have a history of violence, don't believe what the media says about this faith.


So, one more time:

Who needs Jesus? Everyone, including Muslims, followers of Islam

Who is charged with taking the gospel to everyone? We are! Matt. 28:18-20!

Who is charged with taking the gospel to Muslims? We are! Matt 28:18-20


Stop confusing the evil religion of Islam with the billion+ people who need Christ! Muslims, atheists, agnostics, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, tribal religions, pagans! They all need Christ!

What is Islam? An terrible religion enslaving billions of Muslims that we are charged to preach to and rescue!

the real question is WHO hates muslims

or people

 

[Socreta93]

the real question is WHO hates muslims

or people

A lot of right-wing conservatives do. I used to be a member of those conservative facebook groups and they have this ultra hatred for Islam and Muslims

 

[NoNameMcgee]

A lot of right-wing conservatives do. I used to be a member of those conservative facebook groups and they have this ultra hatred for Islam and Muslims

how daaaaare you




just playin
haha im glad you dont anymore


to be honest

i DO know of one man who seems to have a hatered for muslims

hes someone who used to try to get me to talk about my beliefs when i was agnostic

i love him


but i can see what youre saying

because the title

i was expecting people in here to currently hate muslims

we cant say WHY individuals who love Jesus or claim to can hate muslims more than normal non believers

so this thread is mainly people explaining the evil of the quran

looking for WHO hates to ask why


and people saying its wrong to not care for them the same level as other servants of sin


you and 1 other i saw only people to give their understanding as to WHY


last guy suggested media.... i kinda agree

now you say for political reason which i can also see

ty for the honesty

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Muslim = needs Christ.

No one, no one, no one, no one says any differently. The thread topic was literally a question to the members of this site. We all know who it was referring to, it was referring to the members here who are the most outspoken about the false prophet Muhammad.

Also, about all the others that need Christ, you are absolutely right. But, the reason why Islam is more important is for this one reason here-

Quran 5:75 "Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers who passed away before him"

It goes out of its way to deny Christ, and it has a bigger following than any other religion other than Christianity. So we absolutely need to prove to everyone that Muhammad was a false prophet and did not know what he was saying.