Why do you hate Muslims? (Yes, I'm aware this only applies to some people on here.)

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I can't really go along with that. Honor killings, oppression of women.... that is all a very solid and deeply ingrained part of their religion...................... and that is not even mentioning all the stuff where their religion says they have to rule us.

No, that religion cannot be allowed to coexist with ours, because they just will not accept "live and let live." Especially not once they gain the predominance in this country, and we will then be unable to stop their greed for dominance and controlling power.
Well, thats what I mean by taking a strong stance with them : p There should be absolutely no way that anyone should get away with breaking the law, it doesnt matter what their culture permits.

I dont disagree that Islam cant fit with the western world, their own doctrines goes directly against ours. They can believe what they want to believe, but I think we should be firm that all must follow our laws.

I know that there are alot of people who think this is racism somehow, but I dont think its so wrong to let every immigrant into the US know that we enforce our laws here, and that everyone must obey them. They should share the same rights we do of course, freedom of religion and freedom of speech, but they have to accept that all others share those freedoms too.

Western Muslims of course accept that, but Muslims from nations ruled by Islam generally have a harder time accepting it, I hear.
 

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Agreed, and I do not think it is hate to look at the places in the world that are Muslim and talk about the "fruits" it brings. Islam teaches fight, kill, slaughter, and dominate, is it hate to point these things out? Muslim believers fight Jews, Christians, Pagans, homosexuals, Atheist, and other Muslims, everyone, just whoever is closest really. These are facts, these things happen in reality every day. Christian are being slaughtered today in numbers greater than anytime in history, yet how often does this information hit our ears?
According to Jesus, you are not wrong : p

Matthew 7:15-23
15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

Islam leads to many evil things, and if we look into Islam and its teachings we can very easily find the reason why. If we were to judge Muhammad by the fruit he produced, it is clear to see he was not a prophet of God.
 
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Wow! I've been busy for the past few days (crunch time at work) so I haven't been on here. Didn't think there'd be quite so many posts! I haven't had time to read every one yet, but just wanted to thank the people for replying.
The posts about Islam have convinced me to go read the Quran (Thank you for the information from everyone that posted; Magenta, I do plan to look at the links and videos you posted, they're much appreciated). American Muslim sites I've looked up say one thing, and then these posts are saying another. Thank you for the verses from the Quran; I just would rather read them in context, since the argument I've seen is that in context they are speaking about self-defense.

I do want to point out though, that I never said Islam wasn't evil; but all religions that go against God are evil, but I don't see a lot of posts directing hate towards Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, etc. I do see a lot of fear and loathing towards Muslims. For those of you wanting examples, it's just something I've noticed scattered in different threads; I'll go back and look when things die down a bit at work.
 

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Magenta, I do plan to look at the links and videos you posted, they're much appreciated.
You are welcome :) Not everyone here is obviously as open minded as you are, since we have a few who insist on labeling bringing information to the table with hating all Muslims and wanting to stop the spread of the gospel and fear mongering etc etc and every single one of these people (three specifically) have told multiple lie after lie and refused to acknowledge that they are the haters and being hypocritical. That is on them. I have seen no move on their part to apologize for their slander, they just keep doing it and rationalizing it.

[video=youtube;xPU7zs9Cyh0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPU7zs9Cyh0[/video]

Here is a video of what it is like growing up in an Islamic nation under Sharia law. Muslims are taught from a young age (six or seven) that the highest good and the ultimate dream they could attain in life is to die for the cause of the spread of Islam. She was forced into marriage and raped for five years, or she would have lived under house arrest for the rest of her life.
 

Magenta

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I do want to point out though, that I never said Islam wasn't evil; but all religions that go against God are evil, but I don't see a lot of posts directing hate towards Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, etc.
Keep in mind that Jews, Hindus, and Buddhists etc are not being forced into migration where they then attempt to have their way of life take precedence over the values of the countries where they end up. Some Muslims have no intention of integrating, and they make plain that their aim is the institution of Sharia law. Bringing this to people's attention is NOT fear mongering. It is happening all over the world. If you watch or read the one video where I have broken down the three things you need to know about Islam, point number two talks about how Sharia is their only form of acceptable government. They consider all others sin. We should not sit back and idly dismiss the fact that the stated aim of Islam is world wide domination through forced submission and explicitly mandated violence through their holy books.
 

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Also Rosella, if you do read the Qur'an, please keep in mind the principle of abrogation. The principle of abrogation dictates that any earlier written verse that might seem to contradict a later verse is not to take precedence over the later verse. The Qur'an is not in historical order; the verses are ordered by length. It seems easy for a Muslim or anyone else for that matter, to quote a peaceful verse from the early parts of the Qur'an while, by following the principle of taqiyya, neglecting to mention the fact that it has been officially abrogated by later more violent verses. The later verse (historically) is what they are to follow, because it has abrogated the earlier verse.

 

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TY so much Magenta for the invaluable information that you have provided and keep providing...
You are such a blessing, and not in disguise!:):)

sometimes it's hard to remember that the majority of people in this world truly believe what they
are saying is 'the God's Honest Truth' - most of the other 'self-appointed are simply 'money-mongers',.
and of course, always there are the true satan worshippers...,because God/Jesus is NOT their Truth...

trouble is, it is really 'their-own' un-honest thoughts that this old-world-has-taught-them, =
un-godly-worldly-truth, that 'the-wiley-one' has convinced them of and has them in a
hopefully-prayerfully, temporary-holding-pattern - 'hostage bondage'...
fervent prayer is essential here!

JOB 36:18.
Because there is wrath, beware lest He take you away with stroke:
then a great ransom cannot deliver you.

PS. 6:4.
Return, O LORD, deliver my soul: oh save me for Thy mercies' sake.

17:13.
Arise, O LORD, disappoint him, cast him down: deliver my soul from the wicked, which is Thy sword:
14.
From men which are thy hand, O LORD, from men of the world, which have their portion in this life,
and whose belly Thou fillest with Thy hid treasure: they are full of children,
and leave the rest of their substance to their babes.
15.
As for me, I will behold Thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with Thy likeness.

MATT. 6:13.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil:
For Thine is the Kingdom, and the Power, and the Glory, for ever. Amen.

it happens to all of us before' 'conversion', when our Saviour begins to bring us out
of the pervading wickedness of this 'fallen-world'....DELIVERANCE!!!

there are NEVER any 'compromises' with our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ,
it is and ALWAYS will BE, His Way, or the hw...

hub and I did our each alone and for a while the way of the hw,
but not, it is ONLY HIS WAY for us, now and for ever after...
Thank you so much for your lovely post :)

I don't think I have ever seen one so long from you, ever!

Here is another video of the same woman who was telling us what it is like living under Sharia law. She says she was brainwashed from an early age with the messages of hate, and all the information that they got about Christians from the Qur'an and from the teachings. She began to rebel against the god of Islam due to his hateful character, and was put under house arrest for not submitting. She was led through her search for truth to read the Bible after emigrating to Canada, and has now converted to Christianity through the leading of the Holy Spirit of God :)


[video=youtube;R5AtMRQT0t4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5AtMRQT0t4[/video]
 
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There are extremists in all religions and faiths and Christianity has had its fair share. You need only to read about the Crusades or the Holocaust to see that. Even Buddhists who are considered to be the most peaceful of people have been known to use violence against other religious communities.

Excuse me? I refuse to be lumped in with the Roman Catholics who were responsible both for the Crusades and for harbouring Nazi war criminals.Roman Catholicism is not Christian - it never was and never will be.It is a pagan belief system with a lightly sprinkled veneer of pseudo Christian terminology and like its pagan cousin, Islam, it continues to trap its devotees in a damning belief system.

I could expand on that by saying that many true believers were persecuted and indeed martyred by this wicked tool of satan.So , do us a favour and check your facts - take a closer look at history before accusing Christians of past astrocities!
 

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[TD="align: center"]Comparing Islam and Christianity[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Muhammad...[/TD]
[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Jesus...[/TD]
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Stoned women for adultery.
(Muslim 4206)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]"Let he who is without sin
cast the first stone."
(John 8:7)
[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]"I have been commanded to fight
against people till they testify that there
is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad
is the messenger of Allah"
(Muslim 1:33)

[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]"He who lives by the sword
will die by the sword."
(Matthew 26:52)

[/TD]
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Permitted stealing from unbelievers.
(Bukhari 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]"Thou shalt not steal."
(Matthew 19:18)
[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Permitted lying.
(Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]"Thou shalt not bear false witness."
(Matthew 19:18)
[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Owned and traded slaves.
(Sahih Muslim 3901)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Neither owned nor traded slaves.[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Beheaded 800 Jewish men and boys.
(Abu Dawud 4390)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Beheaded no one.[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Murdered those who insulted him.
(Bukhari 56:369, 4:241)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Preached forgiveness.
(Matthew 18:21-22, 5:38)
[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]"If then anyone transgresses
the prohibition against you,
Transgress ye likewise against him"
(Quran 2:194)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]"If someone strikes you on the right
cheek, turn to him the other also."
(Matthew 5:39)
[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one's position in Paradise by a hundred fold.
(Muslim 4645)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]"Blessed are the peacemakers, for
they will be called Sons of God"
(Matthew 5:9)
[/TD]
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Married 13 wives and kept sex slaves.
(Bukhari 5:268, Quran 33:50)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Was celibate.[/TD]
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Slept with a 9-year-old child.
(Sahih Muslim 3309, Bukhari 58:236)
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[TD="align: center"]Did not have sex with children.[/TD]
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Ordered the murder of women.
(Ibn Ishaq 819, 995)
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[TD="align: center"]Never harmed a woman. [/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]"O you who believe! Fight those of the
unbelievers who are near to you
and let them find in you hardness."
(Quran 9:123)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]"Blessed are the meek, for
they shall inherit the earth."
(Matthew 5:5)
[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Ordered 65 military campaigns
and raids in his last 10 years.
(Ibn Ishaq )
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Ordered no military campaigns, nor
offered any approval of war or violence.
[/TD]
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Killed captives taken in battle.
(Ibn Ishaq 451)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Never took captives.
Never killed anyone.
[/TD]
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Encouraged his men to rape enslaved women.
(Abu Dawood 2150, Quran 4:24)
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[TD="align: center"]Never encouraged rape.
Never enslaved women.
[/TD]
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Demanded captured slaves and
a fifth of all other loot taken in war.
(Quran 8:41)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]"The Son of Man came not
to be served, but to serve."
(Matthew 20:28)
[/TD]
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Was never tortured, but tortured others.
(Muslim 4131, Ibn Ishaq 436, 595, 734, 764)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Suffered torture, but never tortured anyone.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]"And fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah"
(Quran 8:39)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]"Love your enemies and pray
for those who persecute you"
(Matthew 5:44)
[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Blessed the brutal murder of a half-blind man
(al-Tabari 1440)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Healed a blind man
(Mark 8:28)
[/TD]
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Ordered a slave to build the very pulpit
from which he preached Islam.
(Bukhari 47:743)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Washed his disciples feet.
(John 13:5)
[/TD]
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]What are the Greatest Commandments?
"Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause"
(Muslim 1:149)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]What are the Greatest Commandments?
"Love God and love thy neighbor as thyself."
(Matthew 22:34-40)
[/TD]
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Demanded the protection of armed bodyguards, even in a house of worship
(Quran 4:102)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Chastised anyone attempting
to defend him with force.
(John 18:10-12)
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Died fat and wealthy from what was
taken from others in war or
demanded from others in tribute.
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Demanded nothing for himself.
Died without possessions.
[/TD]
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Advocated crucifying others.
(Quran 5:33, Muslim 16:4131)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Was crucified himself.[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]According to his followers:
Had others give their lives for him.
(Sahih Muslim 4413)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]According to his followers:
Gave his life for others.

(John 18:11 and elsewhere)[/TD]
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Muhammad vs. Jesus: Judging Religions by Their Central Figures

[video=youtube;Uem_0GQP-zY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uem_0GQP-zY[/video]

Every time I post a video about Jihad, several Muslims, and some non Muslims, send me messages saying, David, why are you judging an entire religion by the actions of a few people? These messages are confusing, because nowhere have I ever said, look, some Muslims carried out a terrorist attack, therefore Islam promotes terrorism.

Instead I go through Islam's most trusted sources, showing them Muhammad's teachings promote jihad. So I am not judging Islam by the actions of a few Muslims, I am explaining what it teaches
(haha boy can I ever relate to this because the haters here have been ridiculous!)

I can only assume that the people who tell me not to judge an entire religion by the actions of a few aren't saying this because they have thought carefully about any points I have made. They are saying it because this is just what they have been trained to say whenever someone criticizes Islam. There is no actual thought involved
(beyond wanting to kill the messenger!). It is now an automated response.

But since I am getting bored pointing this out every time I talk about jihad, I decided to make a short video clearly stating my position on judging religions.

My official position on judging Islam is this: we don't judge Islam based on the actions of Muslims who slaughter unbelievers in the name of Allah, or rape their female captives, or beat their wives into submission, or murder cartoonists. We don't judge Islam by Isis or
Al-Qaeda
or the Taliban or Boko Haram or Al-Shabaab or any of the other terrorists groups who want to violently subjugate the entire world to Islam.

Instead we judge Islam based on the teachings and example of Muhammad, a man who
A was convinced at one point that he was demon possessed
B tried repeatedly to commit suicide
C admittedly delivered revelations from the devil
D complained that he was a victim of a magic spell that
gave him delusional thoughts and false beliefs

E supported his religion by robbing people
F started a war with Mecca when he had a chance to live in peace in Medina
G had people assassinated for criticizing his religion
H beheaded hundreds of Jews for trying to defend
themselves once they realized he was eliminating them

I ordered his followers to execute anyone who leaves his religion
J commanded his followers to violently subjugate the entire world
K tortured people for money
L bought, sold, owned, and traded black African slaves
M called Ethiopians raisin heads and claimed that Satan looks like a black man
N had sex with a nine year old girl
O had at least nine wives at one time even though his own revelations only allowed four
P married the wife of his own adopted son after causing the divorce by lusting after her
Q had sex with his slave girls
R broke the promise he made to his wives that he would stop having sex
with his slave girls after he got caught with a slave girl in the bed of his wife

S allowed his followers to rape their female captives
T took the most beautiful captives back to his own tent
U told his followers they could beat their wives into submission
V declared that women are stupid and that their testimony is unreliable
W promoted idolatrous pagan practices like kissing the black stone and bowing down to the Kaaba
X repeated stories based on forgeries and passed them off as revelations from God
Y portrayed God as deceptive and Jesus as a complete failure
Z has kept more people from knowing the true God than any other false prophet in history

So, if we judge Islam by Muhammad, what can we conclude?

Worst religion ever!

But we need to be consistent here, which means that we shouldn't judge Christianity based on the actions of Christians who invented hospitals to care for the sick, invented orphanages to care for unwanted children, pioneered the western education system by starting universities like Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard, Yale, and Princeton, led the scientific revolution, ended slavery in the west, and so on. We don't judge Christianity by all the Christians who changed the world. We judge Christianity by the teachings and example of Jesus, Who

A created the universe
B sustains the universe and existence
C laid aside His glory so that He could enter creation as a human being to suffer for our sake
D as to His human nature, was born of a virgin
E fulfilled dozens of Old Testament prophesies
F miraculously fed thousands of people on more than one occasion
G walked on water
H could calm storms by speaking
I healed the sick
J cleansed the lepers
K cast out demons
L raised the dead
M made the lame walk
N gave sight to the blind
O gave hearing to the deaf
P gave hope to the oppressed
Q confronted and rebuked their oppressors
R broke down the barriers that kept people divided by race, class, and gender
S ordered His followers to love everyone including their enemies
T commanded His followers not to use violence in His name
U endured torture and death for our sins
V told the Father to forgive those who crucified Him
W rose from the dead
X gives us His righteousness so that we can know God
Y intercedes with the Father on our behalf
Z will eventually judge the entire world

So if we judge Christianity by Jesus, what can we conclude?

Best message ever!

To all the Muslims
who sent me messages pointing out that we should not judge Islam by the actions of Muslims? Thank you for the comments, I agree with you completely. We don't judge religions by their adherents. We judge religions by their central figures and teachings.
 
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I've also had people say that you never hear about Christian terrorists, only Islamic ones, but that's simply not true. We might not call them Christian terrorists, but whenever someone claiming to be a Christian attacks someone because they're gay or not a Christian, that's terrorism. Might not happen as much anymore, but when it does we point out that that goes against God's word and say the terrorists aren't Christian. Likewise, many Muslims say that Islamic terrorists aren't true Muslims.
Are you aware that in saying this you are towing the popular PC party line , which is that evangelicals and fundamentalists (those who hold to the fundamentals of the Christian faith) are terrorists?The department of Homeland security and the PC poilce will love you for that !
As it is well documented, they have been using cardboard cut outs of pregnant mothers, the elderly and children for their target practice and we see more and more of a push in the U.N. and other world leaders to demonize bible believing Christians.

Let me make it quite clear that under no circumstances are Christians to physically attack any people group unless their lives are in danger ...but to say that Christians are terrorists for exposing evil and even daring to speak up - well that is scapegoating your own.
Should Christians be civil toward those they disagree with? Yes.Should Christians be benevolent towards those who are opposed to them? Absolutely!But when we speak out against wickedness and corruption and sin - that does not make us terrorists!We speak the truth in love , to warn , encourage and admonish our hearers.

[video=youtube;Bpd5bhPuB9E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bpd5bhPuB9E[/video]
 

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If you prefer reading the text that I provide with the videos (by painstakingly transcribing the videos) please be advised that for the most recent video, when David Wood goes through his ABCs for Muhammad and Jesus respectively, in the video he shows the sources for each of the points he is making. This may be helpful to you if you wish to do any more research on either in regards to any of the points made :)
 

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Just cause I think islam should be wiped from the Earth, doesn't mean I hate anyone.
 

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What happens in America matters to the entire free world, and these days, America, like most places, is infested with Islamic pressure groups falsely claim to speak for all Muslims, and who spend their time playing the professional victim, pestering politicians and enforcement agencies with their constant whining and complaining and belly aching and kvetching and demanding special treatment.

One of these groups, the ludicrously named Council on American Islamic Relations, has been quite busy recently setting up a new department dedicated to, guess what? Islamophobia. Who would have predicted that? They'll be looking for Islamophobia everywhere in America, and you know they're going to find it because they see it everywhere. My bet is it is only a matter of time before they contrive find right in the Oval Office. Obama is already on one knee to Islam, it it shouldn't take much to get get him down on two.

Islamophobia is a word that says a lot more about the person using it than the one that it is directed at, so if you are ever tempted to throw it at somebody, try to bear that in mind. When I hear the word, I know I am listening to someone whose intelligence and judgement have been corrupted by the cultural Marxism of political correctness, and whose opinions need no longer be taken seriously.

What amazes me is that anyone takes this phony word seriously. Young people can be forgiven for thinking it's always been part of the language, but the truth is this word did not even exist just a few years ago. It was deliberately invented by Islamic supremacists and their left wing enablers, as a way to silence critics of Islamic brutality, intolerance, misogyny, homophobia, and anti-antisemitism, and to stigmatize those who oppose religious fascism by inferring that they have a mental disorder.

Of course there are only so many times you can tell someone who doesn't want to hear it, that a phobia is an irrational fear, and that there is nothing even remotely irrational about fearing Islam, especially, if you happen to be female or Jewish or gay, or all three.

What is irrational is indulging Islam and pretending it's just another religion. That's more than irrational, it's downright stupid. It's as foolish as keeping a large predatory wild animal as a pet; sooner or later you will be he eaten, and you will deserve it.

People who oppose Islam are not Islamophobic, they are Islamo-realistic. They have had years of abundant and consistent evidence and they see the religion for what it is: a supremacist totalitarian ideology using its peaceful followers as a shield to exploit religious freedom for political ends.

And Islamophobia is all part of a scam, but Islamophobia doesn't exist, especially not in America, and recent figures prove it. According to the FBI, there are ten times more hate crimes against Jews and gays in America than there are against Muslims, and the same thing applies in figures compiled by individual states: California, New York... way more crimes against Jews and gays.

How unfortunate for the
Islamo fascists that these cold hard facts should emerge just as they have set up their shiny new department dedicated to finding evidence of this mythical crime.

Do you think these liars will now shut down this department and apologize for lying, or do you think they will carry on lying, complaining, whining, bellyaching, kvetching, and demanding special treatment? Tough call, isn't it. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

It must be galling for these guys to realize that, although people may resent Islam, and who can blame them for that, they don't resent Muslims, as two young Muslim men just found out a few months ago, when they when they drove 13,000 miles around America, and were welcomed wherever they went.

The biggest hate crime against Muslims in America is the existence of the Council on Islamic American Relations. If you are a Muslim American who wants to live in peace and freedom, and presumably that's why you're in America in the first place, these people are your worst enemy. They are parasites on your identity. They don't represent you, they claim ownership of you. Everything they do and say reflects back badly on you, yet you are the only thing giving them a veneer of respectability. Without you these fanatics would be standing on street corners shouting at people.

They invoke the phony lie of Islamophobia in order to marginalize and to ghettoize you, and to make you feel like a victim, because their whole existence depends on you being a victim. They claim to challenge the stereotyping of Muslims, and how do they do it? By stereotyping Muslims as professional complainers and malcontents who always want special treatment, who can't take the slightest criticism, and who are aggressively litigious to the point of obsession.

These people are the problem, they're not the solution. If they could they would rule you with a rod of iron. You know they want to impose Sharia. Everybody does. And you also know if you've got any sense, the no Muslim in the United States, would be better off under Sharia. So I have to ask you, why you left and go on National Television time and time and time again, claiming to speak for you, and why you let the TV networks, get away with treating them as if they do.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations has had a lot of mileage out of its phony bologna Islamophobia. It must be quite devastating for them to be confronted with concrete proof that this thing is entirely imaginary, when they've staked so much on it.

Now if you insist on believing in Islamophobia, you'll have to do so despite all the evidence. You'll have to take it on faith, as Mark Twain might have put it, you'll have to believe what you know ain't so. Islamophobia ain't so and you know it. The Islamo-fascists have done their very best to talk it into existence and to wish it into existence, but try it as they might, they just can't persuade Americans to hate Muslims.

Isn't reality grand? Transcribed from Pat Condell's
American Islamophobia,
Uploaded on Jan 11, 2011
 

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[TD="align: center"]Differences Between Early Muslims and Christians[/TD]
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Muhammad's
Companions...
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Jesus's
Disciples...
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Lived as warriors.[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Lived like harmless hippies.[/TD]
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Slew and persecuted religious minorities.

(In the early days of Islam you
could be killed for not being Muslim)
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[TD="align: center"]Were slain and persecuted
as a religious minority.

(In the early days of Christianity you
could be killed for being Christian)
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Emphasis on Jihad (the way of Muhammad)

"He who fights that Allah's word should
be superior fights in Allah's cause"

(Bukhari 53:355)
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[TD="align: center"]Emphasis on Evangelism (the way of Jesus)

"Go ye into all the world and preach
the gospel to every creature"

(Matthew 15:16)
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Attacked and conquered the populations in
parts of 28 modern countries in just the first
three decades following Muhammad's death.
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Did not resort to violence of any sort,
despite tremendous persecution.
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Declared holy war on the people of five
major world religions in just the first
100 years following Muhammad's death.
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Went centuries without declaring 'holy war'.[/TD]
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Plundered and lived off the wealth of others.[/TD]
[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Gave away their possessions to those in need.
(Acts 2:44-45)
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Captured and enslaved non-Muslim people.[/TD]
[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Considered themselves to be slaves of others.[/TD]
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Waged war to keep members from leaving
the religion. Put apostates to death.
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]No record of aggression toward apostates.[/TD]
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Muhammad's own family members quickly
fell into armed warfare against each other.
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Jesus' disciples never resorted to violence
against one another (or anyone else).
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]First 240 Years:
11 of the first 32 caliphs were
murdered by fellow Muslims.
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]First 240 Years:
14 of the first 25 popes were martyred by
pagans (none by fellow Christians).
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Caliphs were polygamous and maintained harems of hundreds of captured sex slaves.[/TD]
[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Popes were expected to be celibate.[/TD]
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Islamic mosques sustained by taxes forced from subjugated non-Muslims (the jizya).[/TD]
[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Christian churches sustained
by voluntary tithes from Christians.
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From http://www.thereligionofpeace.com, and I must apologize, for I have given info from this site
in earlier posts, but the source did not show up in one post, and in another I simply forgot to include it.
 
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Magenta, this is the best comparison I have ever seen, fantastic.
 
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Back to the OP. And a grave language misunderstanding!

The OP asked a simple question. Why do Christians, hate people? (Because Muslims are people!)

Because Muslims are the people who follow Islam. There is no Muslim religion. Period! There are followers of Islam, whom we call Muslims. I think they call themselves something else. Correct me if I wrong.
From what I know, you are born Muslim the same way you are born a Jew. Faith / doctrine or not.
 

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Wow! I've been busy for the past few days (crunch time at work) so I haven't been on here. Didn't think there'd be quite so many posts! I haven't had time to read every one yet, but just wanted to thank the people for replying.
The posts about Islam have convinced me to go read the Quran (Thank you for the information from everyone that posted; Magenta, I do plan to look at the links and videos you posted, they're much appreciated). American Muslim sites I've looked up say one thing, and then these posts are saying another. Thank you for the verses from the Quran; I just would rather read them in context, since the argument I've seen is that in context they are speaking about self-defense.

I do want to point out though, that I never said Islam wasn't evil; but all religions that go against God are evil, but I don't see a lot of posts directing hate towards Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, etc. I do see a lot of fear and loathing towards Muslims. For those of you wanting examples, it's just something I've noticed scattered in different threads; I'll go back and look when things die down a bit at work.
That is the best thing we can do is learn what the Quran actually says, that is what makes a Muslim a Muslim, living by the teachings of the Quran, so we need to read it to see what it teaches and why so many think it commands them to kill. Same with the Bible, we need to read it to see what it teaches, how does Jesus command His followers to behave? If someone kills in Christ name are they following His example and teachings, if a Muslim kills are they following what allah commands? You will be amazed, I know I was, but try to look up any verse about peace, or any verse about love, see what you come up with from the Quran and then the Bible and compare. There is NO comparison.