Why do you hate Muslims? (Yes, I'm aware this only applies to some people on here.)

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Magenta

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Mohammed was a brutal, tyrannical conqueror who gained worldly political power in his lifetime and used it to persecute opponents and impose his religion. It’s absurd to equate Islam and Christianity. Pointing to the Spanish Inquisition tends to undermine the point rather than confirm it: if you have to look back five hundred years to find atrocities, it’s because there are so few of them today. The mass crimes committed under the name of Islam, by contrast, are fresh and openly boasted about it.

The news is constantly bringing us a story of some imam somewhere declaring it consistent with Islam for a man to beat his wife, and the rise of the Islamic State in Syria has provided us current examples of Islam sanctioning slavery, including the capture and systematic rape of sex slaves. This is a religion that is still very much in the “rights of the conqueror” mode, in which the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.
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All religions have had their fair share of violence and intolerance towards the "other." Whether this violence is ordained by God or whether warlike man merely wished it thus is the all-important question.

Old Testament violence is an interesting case in point. Yahweh clearly ordered the Hebrews to annihilate the Canaanites and surrounding peoples. Such violence is therefore an expression of God's will, for good or ill.

Regardless, all the historic violence committed by the Hebrews
and recorded in the Old Testament is just that-history.

It happened; God commanded it. But it revolved around a specific time and place and was directed against a specific people. At no time did such violence go on to become standardized or codified into Jewish law (i.e., the Halakha).

This is where Islamic violence is unique. Though similar to the violence of the Old Testament-commanded by God and manifested in history-certain aspects of Islamic violence have become standardized in Islamic law (i.e., Sharia) and apply at all times.

Thus while the violence found in the Koran is in fact historical, its ultimate significance is theological, or, more specifically, doctrinal. Consider the following Koranic verses, better known as the "sword-verses":

Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the pagans wherever you find them-take them [captive], besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due [i.e. submit to Islam], then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful (K 9:5).

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger [i.e. do not adhere to Islamic law], nor acknowledge the religion of Truth [i.e. Islam], from the people of the book [i.e. Jews and Christians], until they pay tribute with willing submission, and feel themselves utterly subdued (K 9:29).

As with Old Testament verses where Yahweh commanded the Hebrews to attack and slay their neighbors, the sword-verses also have a historical context. Allah first issued these commandments after the Muslims under Muhammad's leadership had grown sufficiently strong enough to invade their Christian and pagan neighbors.

But unlike the bellicose verses and anecdotes of the Old Testament, the sword-verses became fundamental to Islam's subsequent relationship to both the "people of the book" (Christians and Jews) and the "pagans" (Hindus, Buddhists, animists, etc). For instance, based on 9:5, Islamic law mandates that pagans and polytheists must either convert to Islam or be killed, while 9:29 is the primary source of Islam's well-known discriminatory practices against Christians and Jews.

In fact, based on the sword-verses (as well as countless other
Koranic verses and oral traditions attributed to Muhammad),

Islam's scholars, sheikhs, muftis, imams, and qadis throughout the ages have all reached the consensus, binding on the entire Muslim community, that Islam is to be at perpetual war with the non-Muslim world until the former subsumes the latter.
[FONT=&quot]Judeo-Christian Violence versus Islamic Violence

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Children
4 out of 5 Middle-Eastern women are sexually abused
between the ages of 3 and 6 by family members.

More than half of all Yemeni girls are married before reaching puberty.

About 1 in 10 pregnancies in the Arab world ends in
abortion. In Pakistan every 6th pregnancy is terminated.

94% of Yemeni children (2-14 yrs) subjected to violence from a parent or guardian.

Crime & Prejudice
2011 Pew study finds Muslims are more "phobic" of non-
Muslims than the non-Muslims are "Islamophobic" of Muslims.

According to FBI 2008 statistics, anti-Muslim incidents in the
US are dropping and only account for 1.3% of all hate crimes.

Jewish victims of hate crimes in the US
outnumber Muslim victims by a 10-1 ratio.

Anti-Christian hate crime incidents outnumber
anti-Muslim incidents in the US.


Free Speech
Turkey has more journalists in prison than any other country
in the world, almost double that of China and Iran.

40% of Indonesian Muslims say they would use
violence against those blaspheming Islam.

78% of British Muslims support punishing people who
publish cartoons mocking the Prophet Muhammad.

Since 1990, 52 people accused of blasphemy in Pakistan
have been extra-judicially killed by lynch mobs.


Homosexuals
Homosexual relationships, acts or behavior illegal in 36 Islamic
countries. 10 impose the death penalty for homosexuals.

As of 1999 in Iran, more than 4000 lesbians and gays
had been executed since the 1979 Islamic revolution.

Two thirds of all reported incidents of anti-gay
violence in Amsterdam are by Muslim youths.

A 2009 Gallup survey could not find a single
UK Muslim who approved of homosexuality.

Honor Violence
91 percent of all honor-related killings around the world
are carried out by Muslims (84% in US, 96% in Europe).

The number of honor killings in Pakistan are estimated
to be around 2,500 to 3,000 cases every year.

Nearly 3,000 honor attacks mainly carried out against
Muslim women were recorded by British police in 2010.

More than two-thirds of all murders in the
Gaza Strip and West Bank are honor killings.


Marriage
The Maldives, an Islamic country with a 100% Muslim
population, has the highest divorce rate in the world.

Turkey tops Europe and US for incidents of violence against
women, with 4 out of 10 women beaten by their husbands.

Divorce rates among Muslims in Malaysia is
five-times higher than among non-Muslims.

91% of Jordanian university students approve of wife
beating. Acceptable reasons include burning a meal.

Persecution
There are 13 countries in the world where the state can execute
you for being atheist. Every single one is officially Islamic.

9 of the top 10 persecutors of Christians are Islamic countries.
Of the top 50 countries, only 12 have a source other than Islam.

Turkey tops list of countries violating the European Convention
on Human Rights (ECHR) for 3 consecutive years.

As of 2010, Indonesia had over 150 religiously
motivated regulations restricting minorities’ rights.

Shari'ah
1 out of 3 British Muslims aged 16 to 24 believe
that Muslim apostates should be executed.

Majority of world's Muslims favor changing laws in their countries
to allow stoning/amputation for "crimes", and death for apostasy.

Only 26% of Muslims in Turkey say they would adhere to
laws passed by Parliament if it contradicted religious laws.

Poll finds neither education nor age explains
attitudes toward the role of Shari’ah in legislation.

Scripture
There are 164 Jihad verses in the Qur'an & nearly 500
verses (roughly 1 out of every 12) that speak of Hell.


Practicing Muslims recite anti-Semitic & anti-Christian
rhetoric at least 17 times a day, and over 5,000 times a year.

Compared to Mein Kampf, the non-abrogated Medinan verses
of the Qur'an contain more than 2x the amount of anti-Jewish text.

122 peaceful Qur'anic verses have been abrogated
by the Sword verse (9:5) and Fighting verse (9:29).


Slavery
Africans taken (or died in the process of being taken) as slaves
by Muslims is estimated to be higher than 140 million.

1.25 million white European Christians were captured and sold
into the Muslim slave trade between the 16th and 19th century.

The Islamic slave trade still flourishes in Muslim countries.
There are over half a million slaves in Mauritania alone.

Christian Solidarity International (CSI) has liberated over
80,000 Sudanese slaves taken captive by Arab Muslims.


Terrorism

2012 report finds the majority of world's terrorism committed
by Muslims. Almost 9000 deaths caused by Sunni terrorists in 2011.

Esposito/Mogahed find almost 4 out of 10 Muslims worldwide are
extremists who think 9/11 was totally/partially/somewhat justified.

More than 95% of all suicide bombing attacks
conducted worldwide are carried out by Muslims.

2011 Study finds no link between poverty and
support for militant Islamic groups.


Women
In terms of cultural/tribal/religious danger to women,
4 of the 5 most dangerous countries are Muslim majorities.

Egyptian women are sexually harassed 7 times every 200 meters
and well over two-thirds are harassed on a daily basis.

All 10 countries with the worst gender gaps are countries
where Muslims are the majority or Islam is the largest religion.

Egyptian study contradicts widely held belief that unveiled women
are more likely to suffer harassment than veiled ones.
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Okay so the Qu'ran is a controversial subject to talk about. I do not see anyone mentioning the Book of Mormons teachings. For example, no one talks about the Angel Moroni and how the angel revealed the Book of Mormon to Joseph Smith. There is a Mormon temple in SLC, Utah. No one brings up that subject. No one ever talks about Jehovah's Witnesses belief that Saint Michael is more powerful than Jesus Christ. All emphasis is about the Qu'ran.

Well I am not Muslim. I am Christian. I wanted to bring a point out. People should be focusing on what is going on with Christianity more than what is going on with the Muslim religion.
 
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Here is what I read in the Book of Mormon.

The Words of Mormon


Chapter 1

Mormon abridges the large plates of Nephi—He puts the small plates with the other plates—King Benjamin establishes peace in the land. About A.D. 385.

1 And now I, Mormon, being about to deliver up the record which I have been making into the hands of my son Moroni, behold I have witnessed almost all the destruction of my people, the Nephites.




 

Magenta

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Okay so the Qu'ran is a controversial subject to talk about. I do not see anyone mentioning the Book of Mormons teachings. For example, no one talks about the Angel Moroni and how the angel revealed the Book of Mormon to Joseph Smith. There is a Mormon temple in SLC, Utah. No one brings up that subject. No one ever talks about Jehovah's Witnesses belief that Saint Michael is more powerful than Jesus Christ. All emphasis is about the Qu'ran.

Well I am not Muslim. I am Christian. I wanted to bring a point out. People should be focusing on what is going on with Christianity more than what is going on with the Muslim religion.
First of all, you are wrong, those things ARE talked about, but this thread is not about them. If you want to talk about other cults, start another thread instead of hijacking this one, thank you :)
 

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Nobody forgets. We did this? No, someone in the past did those horrible things. Are we as Christians told in our Holy Book to do such things? No, we most definitely are NOT instructed in our Scriptures to do any such thing! Don't get confused and think that Christians doing horrible things in any way equates to Muslims doing the very things their books instruct them to do. It is not so fine a point it needs to be kept being made, is it? Can you really not see the difference?
I feel this is another argument born of ignorance, just not having all the facts behind it. First off what were the Crusades's in response to? Islam was taking over areas fast by killing, raping, and plundering. By the sword. 2nd and even deeper point in my opinion, Christians weren't labeled "killer's" until hundreds and hundreds of years after Christ started the church. For the first 300 years there was nothing but the slaughter of Christian's. Then what? The Roman Empire that dealt with all problems by the sword, then emperor get's a vision and "converts" to Christianity, now all of a suddenly the "Christian" Roman Empire deals with all problems as they always had, with the sword, yet I'm supposed to believe these were truly Christians? By the way the "holy roman church" killed more true Christians as heretics after they took it over than before. And again NOTHING at all like the situation we see with Islam, and honestly I don't think Christians should take Jesus being blamed for these wicked things, even though the Crusades are why all Europe isn't already Islamic already.
 
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Okay so the Qu'ran is a controversial subject to talk about. I do not see anyone mentioning the Book of Mormons teachings. For example, no one talks about the Angel Moroni and how the angel revealed the Book of Mormon to Joseph Smith. There is a Mormon temple in SLC, Utah. No one brings up that subject. No one ever talks about Jehovah's Witnesses belief that Saint Michael is more powerful than Jesus Christ. All emphasis is about the Qu'ran.

Well I am not Muslim. I am Christian. I wanted to bring a point out. People should be focusing on what is going on with Christianity more than what is going on with the Muslim religion.
title of thread didnt bring that section of the lost into question

so i didnt
 
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Okay so the Qu'ran is a controversial subject to talk about. I do not see anyone mentioning the Book of Mormons teachings. For example, no one talks about the Angel Moroni and how the angel revealed the Book of Mormon to Joseph Smith. There is a Mormon temple in SLC, Utah. No one brings up that subject. No one ever talks about Jehovah's Witnesses belief that Saint Michael is more powerful than Jesus Christ. All emphasis is about the Qu'ran.

Well I am not Muslim. I am Christian. I wanted to bring a point out. People should be focusing on what is going on with Christianity more than what is going on with the Muslim religion.
I've never heard of an Mormon terrorist.
 

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In answer to the OP..... I don't hate Muslims.

I DO, however, take a dim view of ANYONE who believes that they are called to murder those who do not share their faith.

In fact, I could get downright medieval about it....

I'm more of a live and let live kind of guy.
 

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Okay so the Qu'ran is a controversial subject to talk about. I do not see anyone mentioning the Book of Mormons teachings. For example, no one talks about the Angel Moroni and how the angel revealed the Book of Mormon to Joseph Smith. There is a Mormon temple in SLC, Utah. No one brings up that subject. No one ever talks about Jehovah's Witnesses belief that Saint Michael is more powerful than Jesus Christ. All emphasis is about the Qu'ran.

Well I am not Muslim. I am Christian. I wanted to bring a point out. People should be focusing on what is going on with Christianity more than what is going on with the Muslim religion.

Well, not on THIS THREAD, no. But this site has talked about it before.

If youre asking why people dont talk about Mormonism as much as Islam, its probly because more people laugh at Mormonism than they take it seriously, meanwhile Islam is the second largest religion in the world.

But I agree, the story of Joseph Smith and the start of the Mormon church is alot like Muhammad and the start of Islam, both were visited by an angel masquerading as an angel of light, and both were deceived.
 

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Why do people forget that us Christians did the same stuff that the Muslims are doing in our conquest of the world?

We literally boiled humans alive to convert them to our beliefs,my elderly relatives remember being beaten for speaking their own language.
Jesus never commanded His followers to kill in His name, and very few Christians have went out killing in the name of Jesus.

Since the start of Islam, countless people have been killed in the name of allah. In fact, Muhammads death was the result of a Jewish woman poisoning him for killing her family in his attack on Khaybar.
 

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This thread is becoming quite strange. I haven't seen anyone standing up for
Mohammed, or saying Islam is good at all, (though by all means point out the
relevant posts if I have got this wrong).


I have seen several people saying we need to pray for Muslims and share the gospel
with them when the opportunity arises and that they do not hate them - that's good and
biblical isn't it?

However back to the title of the thread, it was worded in such a way because some posts
have suggested all Muslims generally are evil. The bible says all men have sinned, none is
righteous no not one. All are lost without a Saviour, that includes atheists, Muslims,
mormond, Hindus etc.

If all the posts on this thread had been about how wrong and deceptive Mohamed was and how
he has led millions of people into bondage, how wrong the Koran is. Then I whole
heartedly agree with that. As I say, I haven't seen one single post where anyone disputes that.

What I don't get is the blanket anger and hated against all Muslims - many I've come across
have been very nice, honest decent respectful people. I have yet to meet any of the extremist
type - thankfully.


I'm currently working on one of the Carer's who comes to see my elderly aunt. The career
is a Muslim. She is so patient and kind with my aunt and nothing is too much trouble for her.
But what an opportunity to have a Muslim lady coming regular to a Christian house. Lol :D

Are they following a false teaching and religion - yes
Are they destined for eternity in hell - yes
Do they need a Saviour - yes
Do we have the words of eternal life - most certainly we do
AMEN Sista- I wonder if this thread was entitled: "Why do we love Americans ( Yes, I am aware this only applies to some people on here)," how the tables would turn in our base of thinking. Yet, How do you think God judges the United States verses the American? The world system is satans government, satans rule - despite God having all things in His control. but all sinners in it across the planet are wrong rights, not wrong wrongs. Do we see all people thru the eye lens of God? Meaning God created man, so it is a right thing gone wrong; or a wrong right. Jesus has the ability to make all wrongs right. ALL WRONGS, with the exception of satan and his minions; they are the only wrong wrongs..

Muslims are human beings. Muslims are God's Children, Muslims are lost sheep (unless they are not), Muslims are not the principalities of darkness, but are flesh and blood, to whom we are not in battle with..

As my spirit reminds me of Ephesians I think of how Paul is giving a revelation of newness in Christ in both human rights and in government in contrast to that days experiences. What a great new inclination of hope, I thought, for that day. Their whole world was based on factions of peoples who we in disarray with one another, and I think how wonderful a news that must have been - Unity under one heading; namely Jesus Christ. But we forget their were some who despised the idea of losing their upper position to share with the lower ranks in file, in their minds.

The United States is no less evil than the Muslim governments, for a world system is what Jesus is coming back to judge. And I do not hate Americans, but I use this comparison to point out nor am I to love Muslim's any less. Think of the Gentiles of Paul's day - oh what great news! The Messiah! And think of the Jews of Paul's day - Oh? We must share this with them? God has put us all on the same playing field as simply In Christ, and out of Christ. We have to move toward Unity now opening up the door for God to call all men to Himself.

Each of the following virtues reflects a Christlike spirit and characterizes a "worthy walk" which contributes to the unity of the body.Humility means humiliation of mind, lowly thinking, a humble attitude, modesty (modesty = unassuming in the estimation of one’s abilities) or without arrogance. It is the opposite of pride. Contemplating what we were before grace lifted us from the miry clay should cause us to have a humble attitude

In a word humility is "low mindedness", an attitude that one is not too good to serve. Humility is that grace that, when you know you have it, you have lost it. Humility means putting Christ first, others second, and self last.
The word indicates that one esteems (not makes) themselves as "small" and lacking sufficiency to walk worthy while at the same time also recognizing the power and sufficiency of God to enable a worthy walk because Paul knows that humility promotes unity but that pride promotes disunity.

Paul is saying believing Jews are to lay aside their former "religious" pride and humbly regard their Gentile counterpart as their equal and not as their spiritual inferior.Humility is not thinking less of ourselves but is really not thinking of ourselves at all. This supernatural attitude in believers has its source in our association with the Lord Jesus and the enablement of His Spirit. Humility makes believers conscious of their own nothingness and enables them to esteem others better than themselves, a good antidote for a spirit of disunity in the body. The opposite attitudes of conceit and arrogance, on the other hand promote disunity.

We need to get our head out of this game of debate and get our spirit in the game of reconciliation wrapped in love! If, by me saying this your spirit wants to hurry up and respond with, "what evils Muslims have done in comparison to the love God asks us to become," you are thinking with your (soulish)-head and not your (spirit-filled)-heart.
 
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i hearby close this thread on the authority of an ignorable equal
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Some people here (if they are young enough) should do their relatives a favor, and complete all their funeral arrangements now. Because Islam will see you either changed or dead within 30 or 40 years. There is no point in trying to kid yourself about that.
 
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NoNameMcgee

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Some people here (if they are young enough) should do their relatives a favor, and complete all their funeral arrangements now. Because Islam will see you either changed or dead within 30 or 40 years. There is no point in trying to kid yourself about that.
dont you think Jesus is coming sooner than that?

maybe its because im young

but i feel like i have a decade tops to learn more about him and repent and let him do works in me before he returns
 

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everyone can plan their own funeral too

Some people here (if they are young enough) should do their relatives a favor, and complete all their funeral arrangements now. Because Islam will see you either changed or dead within 30 or 40 years. There is no point in trying to kid yourself about that.
 
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dont you think Jesus is coming sooner than that?

maybe its because im young

but i feel like i have a decade tops to learn more about him and repent and let him do works in me before he returns
I honestly don't see His return for many, many years. Certainly not in the lifetime of anyone on here.
 

Demi777

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u wont see him because of your eyesight maybe :p just kidding. Im just open. I dont think he will come today, but i dont underestimate God. I think more has to be fulfilled

I honestly don't see His return for many, many years. Certainly not in the lifetime of anyone on here.
 
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dont you think Jesus is coming sooner than that?

maybe its because im young

but i feel like i have a decade tops to learn more about him and repent and let him do works in me before he returns
Your profile says you are already a Christian. Please try hard to never repent of that decision.
 
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NoNameMcgee

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Your profile says you are already a Christian. Please try hard to never repent of that decision.
i still smoke cigarettes sometimes....
i still play games once in awhile and maybe eat too much on purpose
get mad at someone im supposed to treat with love
even if this happens once a week or once a month
when i say repent and do works in me

i mean stop these things not do them anymore at all

so i can be used to glorify him before he returns
 

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Some people here (if they are young enough) should do their relatives a favor, and complete all their funeral arrangements now. Because Islam will see you either changed or dead within 30 or 40 years. There is no point in trying to kid yourself about that.
Fear has proven to motivate people; and 'facts' stated to plant fear is manipulation in sheeps clothing. God's love has proven to conquer evil. Where is the Gideon story? Our spoken truth can be angled in different directions planting what it is within our heart and spirit to mean. "Greater is He that is in you; than he that is in the world," Do our facts aim to plant Jesus? Every word we speak is either planting Jesus or it is going outside of that premise to reason apart from Him. Every word we speak is seed being planted. "What seed say you?"