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(I realized I missed a few pages, after I thought I caught up, so I'm now back further catching up to what I missed.)
Ariel was talking to Forth here. Just wanted to add that I haven't, (yet), had a single day when I didn't like you, Forth. (That is not to say it will never come. Just hasn't come yet. lol) I also agree with her that you are a walking dictionary in a good way.
There are only a handful of people on here that give me a headache because they think and write in ways above my common-speak brain works. I love those people because they press me further than is comfortable. (Make me think hard. I hate thinking hard, but it's like exercise -- good for me, and benefits me in the long run.)
You are one in that handful. You make me think higher thoughts, and I love that about you. (Angela is another one, but, truthfully? When she starts talking in foreign languages -- even if they're dead foreign languages -- it is so far removed from my abilities I can't do it without two aspirins and lying in bed for a while until that headache passes.)
You are appreciated, Forth, even if we disagree.
Ariel was talking to Forth here. Just wanted to add that I haven't, (yet), had a single day when I didn't like you, Forth. (That is not to say it will never come. Just hasn't come yet. lol) I also agree with her that you are a walking dictionary in a good way.
There are only a handful of people on here that give me a headache because they think and write in ways above my common-speak brain works. I love those people because they press me further than is comfortable. (Make me think hard. I hate thinking hard, but it's like exercise -- good for me, and benefits me in the long run.)
You are one in that handful. You make me think higher thoughts, and I love that about you. (Angela is another one, but, truthfully? When she starts talking in foreign languages -- even if they're dead foreign languages -- it is so far removed from my abilities I can't do it without two aspirins and lying in bed for a while until that headache passes.)
You are appreciated, Forth, even if we disagree.
If a person has his back turned and the voice of another turns them in time he can comfort himself by repenting, moving out of the way.
No voice to turn to...... crash .He has come to gve spiriutl sight to the blind and ears to hear what the Spirit says to the churches, to spiritualy deaf.
I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the LORD my God.Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, (disaplined)I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth.Jer 31:18....The childish things
He displines those he loves they trun when thye hear his and then rspnt to Him and not speaking to the air.
No voice to turn to...... crash .He has come to gve spiriutl sight to the blind and ears to hear what the Spirit says to the churches, to spiritualy deaf.
I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the LORD my God.Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, (disaplined)I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth.Jer 31:18....The childish things
He displines those he loves they trun when thye hear his and then rspnt to Him and not speaking to the air.
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A Christmas Story. Ralphie and the Red Rider Range 200 shot BB gun. Surely you remember the bullies who kept making the boys scream, "Uncle." lol
Rumor has it that movie played straight through on Christmas day for anyone who could get Ted Turner's station. (No cable, so we bought the DVD. lol)
Rumor has it that movie played straight through on Christmas day for anyone who could get Ted Turner's station. (No cable, so we bought the DVD. lol)
We walk or understand God by faith, His... the unseen glory and not by sight as that seen, this faith is not that of our own selves, the new faith we have has been freely given to us a eternal gift. Turning the work of His faith(belief) or labor of His love, upside down..... would be like a person getting into a car accident and when the insurance investigator showed up the person in the accident would take a piece of paper, a pencil and two pencil erasers. Having drawn a cross as an intersection the person explaining, saying; this is my car and sets it down and takes the other eraser and sets it down and says; this is the other persons car, starting to move the erasers ,the insurance investigator interrupts and says; those are not cars they are pencil erasers. Not mixing faith in that seen to be used to represent the unseen.
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Lets play count the insults to others....and the post about how wonderful you are...,
1. (the logical conclusion is that anyone who disagrees with you is "ridiculing" you).
. so 2 new disciples for P4T?
. implying folks who don't agree with you, don't have the grace of God?
. 2. Can't preach the,gospel when you are attacking others...
. yeah you just lie and continue to lie about others...easily shown in this very post...
. Yeah it's a lynch job for poor poor p4t. Who is totally innocent, right?
Maybe everyone sees your bad behavior and out of love is trying to get you to stop being nasty?
Except you don't take correction. You just get offended and attack...and attack....and attack.
. yeah , he is the most awesomely "yes, man" I have see to date. Bet he won't even tell you that your comments about the mods can cause a justified ban. But the mods are much kinder and have more grace then you have ever displayed. If you had the power, how many people would be members? 3?
. still a lie and slander....seriously HATE THE GOSPEL? Why do you even stay?
. ...you are hearing this from many people...ever wonder if God maybe telling you something?
. works salvationist,yeah and lots of people are against this false doctrine.they just don't get nasty like you do and give evil motives to everyone that doesn't worship the ground you walk upon.
. so those are the only type of people who oppose you? And you talk about character assassination and harming YOUR ministry?
. Here's another insult pretending to be wisdom.
. another lie..lost count of how many.
. is this another lie or the continuation of the same lie?
. in other words, if you don't light a torch and burn the witches, you are being weak?
. Relentless to protect the Truth or his favorite preacher?
Jesus taught what Heavenly wisdom is and you don't display an ounce of it.
1. (the logical conclusion is that anyone who disagrees with you is "ridiculing" you).
. so 2 new disciples for P4T?
. implying folks who don't agree with you, don't have the grace of God?
. 2. Can't preach the,gospel when you are attacking others...
. yeah you just lie and continue to lie about others...easily shown in this very post...
. Yeah it's a lynch job for poor poor p4t. Who is totally innocent, right?
Maybe everyone sees your bad behavior and out of love is trying to get you to stop being nasty?
Except you don't take correction. You just get offended and attack...and attack....and attack.
. yeah , he is the most awesomely "yes, man" I have see to date. Bet he won't even tell you that your comments about the mods can cause a justified ban. But the mods are much kinder and have more grace then you have ever displayed. If you had the power, how many people would be members? 3?
. still a lie and slander....seriously HATE THE GOSPEL? Why do you even stay?
. ...you are hearing this from many people...ever wonder if God maybe telling you something?
. works salvationist,yeah and lots of people are against this false doctrine.they just don't get nasty like you do and give evil motives to everyone that doesn't worship the ground you walk upon.
. so those are the only type of people who oppose you? And you talk about character assassination and harming YOUR ministry?
. Here's another insult pretending to be wisdom.
. another lie..lost count of how many.
. is this another lie or the continuation of the same lie?
. in other words, if you don't light a torch and burn the witches, you are being weak?
. Relentless to protect the Truth or his favorite preacher?
Jesus taught what Heavenly wisdom is and you don't display an ounce of it.
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Break it down for me...
James 3
3Who is wise and understanding among you? By his good conduct let him show his works in the meekness of wisdom. 14But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast and be false to the truth. 15This is not the wisdom that comes down from above, but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic. 16For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there will be disorder and every vile practice. 17But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial and sincere. 18And a harvest of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.
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1.what does meekness mean in terms of CC forum conduct?
2. Pure?
3. Peaceable?
4. Gentle?
5. Open to reason?
6. Full of mercy and good fruits?
7.impartial?
8. Sincere?
9. Is it wrong to seek to live peaceably with all men as much as it's in our power?
What do reformed people teach about Heavenly Wisdom?
James 3
3Who is wise and understanding among you? By his good conduct let him show his works in the meekness of wisdom. 14But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast and be false to the truth. 15This is not the wisdom that comes down from above, but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic. 16For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there will be disorder and every vile practice. 17But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial and sincere. 18And a harvest of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.
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1.what does meekness mean in terms of CC forum conduct?
2. Pure?
3. Peaceable?
4. Gentle?
5. Open to reason?
6. Full of mercy and good fruits?
7.impartial?
8. Sincere?
9. Is it wrong to seek to live peaceably with all men as much as it's in our power?
What do reformed people teach about Heavenly Wisdom?
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Titus 3 versus 2...does "all" actually mean all of humanity or just the elect?
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Titus 3
1Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work, 2to speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people.
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Apparently some,Calvinist see "all" and change it to "God's elect". Why in other verses and not this one?
Or do you change it in this one too?
If so it might explain a lot.
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Titus 3
1Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work, 2to speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people.
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Apparently some,Calvinist see "all" and change it to "God's elect". Why in other verses and not this one?
Or do you change it in this one too?
If so it might explain a lot.
I understand that the context of those being addressed are the beloved, but the context of what is being addressed is judgement. Which begs the question, do you believe in double predestination? Here's what happens with this verse is those that hold to Biblical election read as to the beloved, which is truth. Those that believe God died for everyone and is waiting for them to repent use this verse to prove that point of free will, which is not the point either. It's in the middle. Verse one sets up the context of who it's addressed to, verses 2-3 is the context of what is being addressed. Verse 4 they mock, verses 5-7 the facts they overlooked. Verse 8 what the beloved should not overlook, that the Lord is outside of time, a thousand years ago is the same as today.
Verse 9 has three parts of the overall context, the Lord, the beloved and the mockers. Look at how Peter addresses the hears, beloved, you, the mockers, they. Verse 11 he addresses the beloved again as you. Why would the Holy Spirit change the direct reference of you and beloved to any and all? Why didn't He keep with the context and say "towards you, not wishing that you would perish, but that you would come to repentance." The general terms of any and all is referring to they, not you or beloved, how He has always addressed in that manner in this context. I understand that the immediate context seems to be all to the beloved, but the context of the chapter help understand that, all references to the hears are beloved and you, the subject of the context are referred to as they, any and all.
Does this mean that any and all can come to the Lord? No, unless the Father draw them, because it's His desire, not His will. His will is always brought about. If you take II Peter 3:9 and I Timothy 2:4 to read about the elect, are you trying to show that the Lord predestines for hell? Because He had no desire that the wicked be saved. Not very verse in an English translation is going to be a clear reference to election, because it's a translation and it's in English one of the driest languages there is on earth. Angela reads Greek and she believes in election, so why would she say it about the mockers and not the elect, if she believe in election? We can't read the Bible with glasses of election on, we believe what we read, we don't read what we believe, that's not good.
Believe me I read this verse and I Timothy 2:4 as being about the elect or all types of people being elect. When a sister here said that those verses did nutmeat that I did a full study on both in the immediate context and in the overall context of the Bible. That's when I realized that I was viewing these wrong and with the Ezekiel verses it confirmed for me that, God's desire is that all come to repentance, but His will is that the elect will come to repentance. There's no desire, willingness, wanting, wishing or any of the sort when it comes to the elect, because He is going to bring it to pass, because it's the will of His purpose, not something that He would like to happen, it will happen, because He will bring it to pass.
Verse 9 has three parts of the overall context, the Lord, the beloved and the mockers. Look at how Peter addresses the hears, beloved, you, the mockers, they. Verse 11 he addresses the beloved again as you. Why would the Holy Spirit change the direct reference of you and beloved to any and all? Why didn't He keep with the context and say "towards you, not wishing that you would perish, but that you would come to repentance." The general terms of any and all is referring to they, not you or beloved, how He has always addressed in that manner in this context. I understand that the immediate context seems to be all to the beloved, but the context of the chapter help understand that, all references to the hears are beloved and you, the subject of the context are referred to as they, any and all.
Does this mean that any and all can come to the Lord? No, unless the Father draw them, because it's His desire, not His will. His will is always brought about. If you take II Peter 3:9 and I Timothy 2:4 to read about the elect, are you trying to show that the Lord predestines for hell? Because He had no desire that the wicked be saved. Not very verse in an English translation is going to be a clear reference to election, because it's a translation and it's in English one of the driest languages there is on earth. Angela reads Greek and she believes in election, so why would she say it about the mockers and not the elect, if she believe in election? We can't read the Bible with glasses of election on, we believe what we read, we don't read what we believe, that's not good.
Believe me I read this verse and I Timothy 2:4 as being about the elect or all types of people being elect. When a sister here said that those verses did nutmeat that I did a full study on both in the immediate context and in the overall context of the Bible. That's when I realized that I was viewing these wrong and with the Ezekiel verses it confirmed for me that, God's desire is that all come to repentance, but His will is that the elect will come to repentance. There's no desire, willingness, wanting, wishing or any of the sort when it comes to the elect, because He is going to bring it to pass, because it's the will of His purpose, not something that He would like to happen, it will happen, because He will bring it to pass.