Son's of God Genesis 6:1-8

followjesus · May 16, 2017

regarding what subject ?

Hosea 11:1 , " when isreal was a child, i loved Him, and led my son out of egypt" ( also a prophecy of Jesus)

isaiah 43:6 He says speaking of isreal " bring my sons from afar from the ends of the earth. "

exodus 4:22-23 "And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn: 23And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn."

deuteronomy 14:1 "Ye are the children of the LORD your God: ye shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness between your eyes for the dead. ( children would be sons and daughters)

psalm 82:6 "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.,....

theres a sample what others would you like?

Denadii · May 16, 2017

followjesus said:

regarding what subject ?

Hosea 11:1 , " when isreal was a child, i loved Him, and led my son out of egypt" ( also a prophecy of Jesus)

isaiah 43:6 He says speaking of isreal " bring my sons from afar from the ends of the earth. "

exodus 4:22-23 "And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn: 23And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn."

deuteronomy 14:1 "Ye are the children of the LORD your God: ye shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness between your eyes for the dead. ( children would be sons and daughters)

psalm 82:6 "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.,....

theres a sample what others would you like?

I'm sorry. I'm new to this format. I was asking for scriptures concerning who the sons of God were.

followjesus · May 16, 2017

Denadii said:

Isreal lol read those scriptures above

what version do you study?

Niv refers to angels presenting themselves in Job, Kjv never makes that distinction. again ...isreal is refered to as Gods children in the Law, and isreal came from the line of seth through abraham who was a descenfdat of seth. seths line is found in Genesis 4 from seth to noah, and noah was abrahams grandfather, in Genesis 15:13 God tells abraham His descendants will be enslaved 400 years and then delivered. isreal is delivered after 400 years of slavery, and then Given the Law where they are called the sons of God repeatedly.

There is no scripture to say " the sons of God are men, or angels" but there are none (to my knowledge) refering to angels as children of God. isrealites were definately men, and they are referred to several times as Gods Son, or chidlren of God.......as the samples i left 2 times are pretty clear.

it matters which translation a person reads.

jaybird88 · May 16, 2017

Denadii said:

im pretty sure there is no scripture that says men are sons of the Most High. we have scriptures that make it clear they are angels. and others that are not specific that the sethite group input "mankind". if one follows this sethite theory you would have to ask yourself why in the world would an inspired scripture writer use a specific term "sons of the Most High" to have two very different meanings. it makes no sense at all. its a common sense thing to me.

followjesus · May 16, 2017

jaybird88 said:

we have scriptures that make it clear they are angels. ...what are those scriptures ? im not sayong they arent there, but i cant remember a single one refering to angels as Gods children. isreal is many times called His children though, His Son, His first born....

" when isreal was a child, i loved Him, and led my son out of egypt" ( also a prophecy of Jesus)

isaiah 43:6 He says speaking of isreal " bring my sons from afar from the ends of the earth. "

exodus 4:22-23 "And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn: 23And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn."

deuteronomy 14:1 "Ye are the children of the LORD your God: ye shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness between your eyes for the dead. ( children would be sons and daughters)

psalm 82:6 "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.,....

all of these are references to isreal, but again niv and kjv are worded differently.

Johnny_B · May 16, 2017

Will you take the challenge? Because that's not what Genesis 6:2, 4 are saying, it in not in the context. So your Old Covenant theory is not true. Can you contextually exegete Genesis 4:11-24 and show who they are and their relationship to the Lord. Then go from Genesis 4:25-5:32 and show who they are and their relationship to the Lord, then who Genesis 6:1 are. Then show how Genesis 6:2, 4 are fallen angels and why the Lord past the judgements of Genesis 6:3, 5-7 man, if those of Genesis 6:2, 4 are fallen angels?

I would love to read it and I'm sure others would too. Stay in the context of Genesis 4:9-6:1 to show that 6:2, 4 are fallen angels and how the Lord past judgement on man in Genesis 6:3, 5-7 because of those in Genesis 6:2, 4. You can use one charter of that book in the Bible and a dictionary on proper names in the Bible to prove you point, like I have done in my contextual exegete of Genesis 4:11-6:1, 3, 5-7.

You can read the contextual exegete of Genesis 4:11-6:1, 3, 5-7 in post #337 if you can follow that line of contextual exegete and show how the sons of God are fallen angels, I'll will repent of saying that the sons of God in Genesis 6:2, 4 are the genealogy of Adam. May the Lord be glorified.

Denadii · May 16, 2017

followjesus said:

Isreal lol read those scriptures above

what version do you study?

Niv refers to angels presenting themselves in Job, Kjv never makes that distinction. again ...isreal is refered to as Gods children in the Law, and isreal came from the line of seth through abraham who was a descenfdat of seth. seths line is found in Genesis 4 from seth to noah, and noah was abrahams grandfather, in Genesis 15:13 God tells abraham His descendants will be enslaved 400 years and then delivered. isreal is delivered after 400 years of slavery, and then Given the Law where they are called the sons of God repeatedly.

There is no scripture to say " the sons of God are men, or angels" but there are none (to my knowledge) refering to angels as children of God. isrealites were definately men, and they are referred to several times as Gods Son, or chidlren of God.......as the samples i left 2 times are pretty clear.

it matters which translation a person reads.

I read the Complete Jewish Bible I'm aware that the sons of God in the Old Covenant are angels Perhaps I replied to the wrong post?

jaybird88 · May 16, 2017

another thing that makes no sense with the sethite view. they keep saying sons of Most High have to be sons of seth as Jesus comes from seth. either way Jesus is still gonna come from seth, so it would make no difference. and either way they both produce offspring with the daughters of men.

followjesus · May 16, 2017

Johnny_B said:

im not sure if you are talking to me, but im open for the scriptural proof that angels are refered to even once as Gods children, if its there id like to Know, always willing to learn something new. I know for sure the isrealites are refered to as Gods children, because the scriptures say so. what you are saying could be true if so ill accept it, just the thing is with me i need the scripture to say it like the ones i left. to be honest i dont think anyone can prove what the ops reference is concretely, but im correctable if a person has scripture

jaybird88 · May 16, 2017

followjesus said:

Job 1.6 and 2.1

IMO children and "sons of" are two different things. Valiant i think explained that earlier in the thread.
some claim that Ps 82 are men but i fully believe they are angels/heavenly beings. divine councils dont take place on this world.

followjesus · May 16, 2017

Denadii said:

im honestly not trying to argue with you at all i was actually responding to the op

and like i said translations matter whether hebrew, kjv, niv ect, they have the same overall message but the details have differences which leads to confusion and disagreements. i havent read the Hebrew bible i have read the niv, and kjv and looked through some other versions, i have ended up on kjv to my own satisfaction of a good clear translation for myself. i think alot of the disagreements on sites lijke this, comes from different translations being wuoted or studied over the years. i do not trust the modern nivs, i found recently that they are constantly revised and i do not like that idea.

followjesus · May 16, 2017

jaybird88 said:

everyone is entitled to thier beliefs

Johnny_B · May 16, 2017

jaybird88 said:

That's because you you will not follow the context to comet your conclusion. You cherry pick verses to prove your point, when if you simply read the context it shows who the sons of God are, I agree with Missler on what he said about the contextual interpretation of these Scripture, if you can't get these are you won't be able to get the proper meaning of other Scripture right. To bad he has failed his own plumb line.

Come jaybird88 since you are so confident in your belief contextually exegete Genesis 4:11-4:24 show who they are and the relationship to the Lord. Then go to Genesis 4:25-5:32 showing who they are and their relationship to the Lord, who the daughters in Genesis 6:1 are being born to and hoe fallen angels fit into the context of Genesis 4:11-6:1, 3, 5-7. So you can have a Scriptural exegete of those Scripture to prove your point.

But let's be honest you would rather hold to your view of Genesis 6:2, 4, then hold to the true of the contextual exegete of those Scriptures. Other wise you would of already taken my contextual exegete apart to prove me wrong a shut me up. No name calling, just stating the obvious.

Post #337 have at it, there are two mistake that I've updated for the next time someone starts a thread on this again, but I've left them here so someone will have some fuel for their theory. Let's do it, no rabbit trails, just straight contextual exegete of the Scripture. I keep repeating that so there so no misunderstanding as to what the challenge is about.

followjesus · May 16, 2017

jaybird88 said:

niv says this

job 1:6 "One day the angels[SUP]a[/SUP] came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan[SUP]b[/SUP] also came with them."

Kjv job 1:6 "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them."

see what i mean? two different details one calls them angels, the other says " sons of God"

its a confusing point wich is probably why the op was asked to begin with, and several translations are bound to cause disagreements in understanding

followjesus · May 16, 2017

jaybird88 said:

exodus 4:22 "exodus 4:22-23 "And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn."

so if isreal is the firstborn son, wouldnt seths line be who is refered to in gen? it makes sense to me because Gods people didnt come from cains line, nor abels, but whenb seth is born we get the lineage from seth to abraham, to moses on and on to the Only begotten Son Jesus. in a way to me its a prophetic point of scripture as well pointing to Jesus.

Johnny_B · May 16, 2017

followjesus said:

That is exactly why we need to go from Genesis 4:11-5:32 to determine who the daughters are being born to in Genesis 6:1 and in tht context who the sons of God are in Genesis 6:2, 4 and how it caused the Lord to pass judgement on man in Genesis 6:3, 5-7. Other wise it just speculation and not the truth of who 6:2, 4 are.

followjesus · May 16, 2017

Johnny_B said:

lol bro make your point like you said, im open to it, show the scriptures in the "context" you are proclaimimg you can do, im open to it, im always looking to learn something new but im looking for scripture i was reading earlier many saying " man is never referred to as children or sons of God, obviously they are i gave like 5 examples of it. im open to what ur saying so......show me with scripture what you are saying i love to learn new things from the word.

jaybird88 · May 16, 2017

Johnny_B said:

That's because you you will not follow the context to comet your conclusion. You cherry pick verses to prove your point, when if you simply read the context it shows who the sons of God are, I agree with Missler on what he said about the contextual interpretation of these Scripture, if you can't get these are you won't be able to get the proper meaning of other Scripture right. To bad he has failed his own plumb line.

Come jaybird88 since you are so confident in your belief contextually exegete Genesis 4:11-4:24 show who they are and the relationship to the Lord. Then go to Genesis 4:25-5:32 showing who they are and their relationship to the Lord, who the daughters in Genesis 6:1 are being born to and hoe fallen angels fit into the context of Genesis 4:11-6:1, 3, 5-7. So you can have a Scriptural exegete of those Scripture to prove your point.

But let's be honest you would rather hold to your view of Genesis 6:2, 4, then hold to the true of the contextual exegete of those Scriptures. Other wise you would of already taken my contextual exegete apart to prove me wrong a shut me up. No name calling, just stating the obvious.

Post #337 have at it, there are two mistake that I've updated for the next time someone starts a thread on this again, but I've left them here so someone will have some fuel for their theory. Let's do it, no rabbit trails, just straight contextual exegete of the Scripture. I keep repeating that so there so no misunderstanding as to what the challenge is about.

sorry im not going down this road again. i already bent over backwards trying to explain this to you, you ignored every point i made, every question i asked, and all the scriptures i presented.

dcontroversal · May 16, 2017

The logical conclusion of the farse labeled the Sethite Lineage.....

A saved man should be able to have sex with a lost woman and it produce a child that grows as tall as the cedars or like Og 12 ft tall....

Denadii · May 16, 2017

dcontroversal said:

Huh? Why is that, my friend? Two humans mating would produce human offspring. Not Nephilim monstrosities

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