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1 Corinthians 1:18-31
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.” Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called. But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, that no flesh should glory in His presence. But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption— that, as it is written, “He who glories, let him glory in the Lord
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.” Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called. But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, that no flesh should glory in His presence. But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption— that, as it is written, “He who glories, let him glory in the Lord
Fran.....
Since the scriptures say that one cannot enter the Kingdom unless they are born again, I'm curious to know your belief as to how a person is born again (John 3:1-8)
Since the scriptures say that one cannot enter the Kingdom unless they are born again, I'm curious to know your belief as to how a person is born again (John 3:1-8)
My friends liars lie. The truth is they cannot answer morality because they have none.
There are morality lists throughout scripture, but they are missing from the preaching
of these pastors, because they believe that is law and not grace.
To be lawless does mean you can do what you like. As some say, you will be spiritual
so your will want to do the right thing, except one is an unrepentant sinner, so you will
live like the world.
This is just the same as any religion of the world, the broad way to hell.
I will paraphrase some comments:
You are the lion of Judah, fighting the enemy.
I will never compromise with these legalists
Satan has blinded you
You are going to hell and taking others with you
Your good works are disgusting
All sin is forgiven in the world
You only repent once when coming to faith
Once counted saved whatever you do it can never be lost
Emotional ethics run groups. So good works, evil. Righteousness evil,
Conviction of sin, evil. The law, evil. How long before worldly behaviour
is good, ie greed, self indulgence, having your own success dreams,
wow, already there.
How many will actually read scripture? Very few, just to confirm what the preacher
says.
And the real success is to make this into a money machine.
There are the totally naive, who will assume the best.
People play on assumption. This is why I laugh after providing a
detailed statement of faith, silence on morality, says everything.
Ariel said it has been repeated about morality, but not by dc.
Why is he so so so silent.
There are morality lists throughout scripture, but they are missing from the preaching
of these pastors, because they believe that is law and not grace.
To be lawless does mean you can do what you like. As some say, you will be spiritual
so your will want to do the right thing, except one is an unrepentant sinner, so you will
live like the world.
This is just the same as any religion of the world, the broad way to hell.
I will paraphrase some comments:
You are the lion of Judah, fighting the enemy.
I will never compromise with these legalists
Satan has blinded you
You are going to hell and taking others with you
Your good works are disgusting
All sin is forgiven in the world
You only repent once when coming to faith
Once counted saved whatever you do it can never be lost
Emotional ethics run groups. So good works, evil. Righteousness evil,
Conviction of sin, evil. The law, evil. How long before worldly behaviour
is good, ie greed, self indulgence, having your own success dreams,
wow, already there.
How many will actually read scripture? Very few, just to confirm what the preacher
says.
And the real success is to make this into a money machine.
There are the totally naive, who will assume the best.
People play on assumption. This is why I laugh after providing a
detailed statement of faith, silence on morality, says everything.
Ariel said it has been repeated about morality, but not by dc.
Why is he so so so silent.
Let me be brutal. Repentance is about sorrow for sin, brokenness, desiring to walk righteously.
So this in the grace world is apologize for reproach brought on the church.
Your a nice guy. That is not following Jesus. Picking up your cross daily and following Jesus
is, with a loving open heart. It is obvious to me being nice and having faith in Christ the nice
God is enough for heaven.
Pass the bucket please.
So this in the grace world is apologize for reproach brought on the church.
Your a nice guy. That is not following Jesus. Picking up your cross daily and following Jesus
is, with a loving open heart. It is obvious to me being nice and having faith in Christ the nice
God is enough for heaven.
Pass the bucket please.
The new righteousness.
I am a thief, it is a hard life, but you got to make a living.
I am an adulterer, but the girls are so cute who can resist.
Wow that car, I just love it, I will just take it, I am only human.
It is confessing sin, being honest, and doing what you all do
but lie about, haha. Caught you.
This is just slavery to sin and living in the world, and of the world.
You are not a child of heaven if this is you. Walking in love and
righteousness is, except I suspect many have never seen this.
I am a thief, it is a hard life, but you got to make a living.
I am an adulterer, but the girls are so cute who can resist.
Wow that car, I just love it, I will just take it, I am only human.
It is confessing sin, being honest, and doing what you all do
but lie about, haha. Caught you.
This is just slavery to sin and living in the world, and of the world.
You are not a child of heaven if this is you. Walking in love and
righteousness is, except I suspect many have never seen this.
The law of Christ.
Paul refers to this a few times. I was unaware of the term, and used moral law as my summary.
Paul is saying Jesus took the 10 commandments along with some other principles and created
this moral outlook. It is not as complete as a body of work like the law of Moses, but it's form
founds the definitions of righteousness.
It takes time and study to see these things work through our hearts and minds, but it becomes
clear we are a people of love and understanding.
Love is our core principle founded on the love expressed through the cross.
It is here where things are most bleak yet profound we find true salvation and fellowship with
the King.
It is why such emotion and condemnation against following Gods word is so strange.
Read the sermon on the mount, read Ephesians and you will see Gods heart.
I speak because of Gods word, nothing else. Read and listen, this is your salvation.
Paul refers to this a few times. I was unaware of the term, and used moral law as my summary.
Paul is saying Jesus took the 10 commandments along with some other principles and created
this moral outlook. It is not as complete as a body of work like the law of Moses, but it's form
founds the definitions of righteousness.
It takes time and study to see these things work through our hearts and minds, but it becomes
clear we are a people of love and understanding.
Love is our core principle founded on the love expressed through the cross.
It is here where things are most bleak yet profound we find true salvation and fellowship with
the King.
It is why such emotion and condemnation against following Gods word is so strange.
Read the sermon on the mount, read Ephesians and you will see Gods heart.
I speak because of Gods word, nothing else. Read and listen, this is your salvation.
Thank you Ariel. Do you have any pets? My daughter loves her doggies 
She works as a vet assistant... when I was much younger, really quite young actually, I thought I wanted to work with animals, but it occurred to me eventually that being a vet or something similar would mean I was dealing with sick, injured, and dying animals, and I found that disturbing enough, that after three years of wanting to be a vet, I changed my mind at eight years old and decided to be a social worker. That sat well with me for about five more years, until around the age of thirteen, it was too apparent to me how messed up people were, and how powerless I was to fix them, so again I changed my vocational ideas were rearranged.
I am really proud of my daughter for taking such good care of her pets. Maybe when I retire, and that gets closer all the time, I will work with sick and injured animals, helping to restore them to a healthy happy joy filled life where they are loved and cared for. I have seen many videos recently about animal rescues... this is one of my favourites... the shelter worker wrote and performed the song on this video story...
[video=youtube;QNrq5Lw4OQM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNrq5Lw4OQM&t=21s[/video]
She works as a vet assistant... when I was much younger, really quite young actually, I thought I wanted to work with animals, but it occurred to me eventually that being a vet or something similar would mean I was dealing with sick, injured, and dying animals, and I found that disturbing enough, that after three years of wanting to be a vet, I changed my mind at eight years old and decided to be a social worker. That sat well with me for about five more years, until around the age of thirteen, it was too apparent to me how messed up people were, and how powerless I was to fix them, so again I changed my vocational ideas were rearranged. I am really proud of my daughter for taking such good care of her pets. Maybe when I retire, and that gets closer all the time, I will work with sick and injured animals, helping to restore them to a healthy happy joy filled life where they are loved and cared for. I have seen many videos recently about animal rescues... this is one of my favourites... the shelter worker wrote and performed the song on this video story...
[video=youtube;QNrq5Lw4OQM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNrq5Lw4OQM&t=21s[/video]
It's nice to know you love dogs and animals so much.
Maybe one day you'll love humans just as much?
Give it a try.
It feels good.
Most of the entire N.T. is aimed at believers.
The bible does not contradict itself.
We know that throughout the bible it is our choice to be with God.
John 3:16
Ephesians 2:8
Acts 2:21
I see no limitations on the verses I've posted. You cannot take ONE verse and make a doctrine out of it.
There is a concept in the bible, which is why we sholdn't even be picking out verses here and there.
The concept is that in Christianity GOD reaches out to man, not the other way around.
If something sounds different, it probably means something we don't understand.
Jesus chose us. He chose us to be like Him, he chose us to be the firstfriuts.
1 Corinthians 15:20-28
Second of all, salvation is not by sanctification.
Salvation is by justification.
Another concept that is important to know.
God chooses EVERYONE.
We must respond.
1 Tmothy 2:3-4
2 Peter 3:9
We have nothing to do with our salvation,
but everything to do with our sanctification.
Study up on it. It cannot be done here.
The bible does not contradict itself.
We know that throughout the bible it is our choice to be with God.
John 3:16
Ephesians 2:8
Acts 2:21
I see no limitations on the verses I've posted. You cannot take ONE verse and make a doctrine out of it.
There is a concept in the bible, which is why we sholdn't even be picking out verses here and there.
The concept is that in Christianity GOD reaches out to man, not the other way around.
If something sounds different, it probably means something we don't understand.
Jesus chose us. He chose us to be like Him, he chose us to be the firstfriuts.
1 Corinthians 15:20-28
Second of all, salvation is not by sanctification.
Salvation is by justification.
Another concept that is important to know.
God chooses EVERYONE.
We must respond.
1 Tmothy 2:3-4
2 Peter 3:9
We have nothing to do with our salvation,
but everything to do with our sanctification.
Study up on it. It cannot be done here.
Ummmm. Here's my post.
Is your answer above the best you can do?
No wonder you get so upset with those who know more than you...
and know the truth whereas you only think you do...
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You see Dcon,
here's your problem.
You've become like a parrot --- you just keep repeating the same stuff over and over again.
But do not supply any substance.
I felt it was important to say this...
Here's my post to which you're replying:
Originally Posted by FranC View Post
So you're answer is NO.
We are NOT to do works.
Then why did JESUS say this:
John 15:14-15 Amplified Bible (AMP)
14 You are my friends if you keep on doing what I command you.
Now read your reply to me.
I don't hear Jesus saying anything about salvation.
I don't believe He ever said that word once. Could you post if He did?
What He DID say was how we are to BEHAVE (haven't seen much good behavior here by a few)
And how we are to DO (which means works)
Mathew 5:2-10
Mathew 5:2-11
Mathew 6:48
Mathew 7:5
Mathew 7:21
Mathew 7.24
Mathew 15:11
Mathew 19:28
Mathew 22:21
Mathew 22:37-40
Mathew 25:35-36
Jesus said:
IF YOU KEEP ON DOING WHAT I COMMANDED YOU.
This is a command. Not a request.
It means if you don't do it.... Jesus will not be too pleased.
You should read those verses.
Is your answer above the best you can do?
No wonder you get so upset with those who know more than you...
and know the truth whereas you only think you do...
vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
You see Dcon,
here's your problem.
You've become like a parrot --- you just keep repeating the same stuff over and over again.
But do not supply any substance.
I felt it was important to say this...
Here's my post to which you're replying:
Originally Posted by FranC View Post
So you're answer is NO.
We are NOT to do works.
Then why did JESUS say this:
John 15:14-15 Amplified Bible (AMP)
14 You are my friends if you keep on doing what I command you.
Now read your reply to me.
I don't hear Jesus saying anything about salvation.
I don't believe He ever said that word once. Could you post if He did?
What He DID say was how we are to BEHAVE (haven't seen much good behavior here by a few)
And how we are to DO (which means works)
Mathew 5:2-10
Mathew 5:2-11
Mathew 6:48
Mathew 7:5
Mathew 7:21
Mathew 7.24
Mathew 15:11
Mathew 19:28
Mathew 22:21
Mathew 22:37-40
Mathew 25:35-36
Jesus said:
IF YOU KEEP ON DOING WHAT I COMMANDED YOU.
This is a command. Not a request.
It means if you don't do it.... Jesus will not be too pleased.
You should read those verses.
I'm sorry Dcon.
You got it backwards.
God does not work through us as a living sacrifice.
WE are to present OURSELVES a living sacrifice.
Romans 12:1
Maybe this is the problem?
You have your doctrine backwards...
God doesn NOT do everything for you.
YOU have to do some things yourself.
Not the least of which is being a nice person.
That would seem to me to be one of the fruits of the Holy Spirit.
2 Corinthians 5:17
1 Corinthians 15:2
You got it backwards.
God does not work through us as a living sacrifice.
WE are to present OURSELVES a living sacrifice.
Romans 12:1
Maybe this is the problem?
You have your doctrine backwards...
God doesn NOT do everything for you.
YOU have to do some things yourself.
Not the least of which is being a nice person.
That would seem to me to be one of the fruits of the Holy Spirit.
2 Corinthians 5:17
1 Corinthians 15:2